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[Tortugueta]

Mindfane wrote...
Well I don't see any reason to keep your manifest private. It does not show any of your private information. All it shows is your builds, progress and inventory. And nobody is going to take away anything from it.

I haven't played that many multiplayer games, but the ones I have played (BF3 for instance) shows the full info about every other players. But it lets you hide certain information - like age, real name..

And I have seen several suspicious ME 3 manifests.

Well, it's not up to you to decide what reasons are valid or invalid in order to make a profile private. It's enough that a user expressed his will to make his profile private. The reasons of said user are none of your business.

Regarding cheaters, Bioware has access to the profiles and much more. Vigilantes are thus not needed.

[Mindfane]

Tortugueta wrote...

Mindfane wrote...
Well I don't see any reason to keep your manifest private. It does not show any of your private information. All it shows is your builds, progress and inventory. And nobody is going to take away anything from it.

I haven't played that many multiplayer games, but the ones I have played (BF3 for instance) shows the full info about every other players. But it lets you hide certain information - like age, real name..

And I have seen several suspicious ME 3 manifests.

Well, it's not up to you to decide what reasons are valid or invalid in order to make a profile private. It's enough that a user expressed his will to make his profile private. The reasons of said user are none of your business.

Regarding cheaters, Bioware has access to the profiles and much more. Vigilantes are thus not needed.

I never forced anyone to make their profile Public or Private. All I said was 'I' do not see nay reason why a computer game progress report should be made Private. But like you said, some peopel might have their own reason to make it private. In that case, I am genuinely interested in knowing the said reason - If the reason is valid to me, maybe I should follow his/her example as well.

I came across a previous post, which compares thsi scenario with a Person home and a car. Those two are not comparable to a simple gamer profile, atleast in my opinion. (And in many countries, it is illegal to apply dark cooling flim on your car windows (atleast in my country this is the law)).

I am not intesrested in leaderboards and I am not obsessed with it. But there are players who enjoy moving up in a leaderboard. Its like gettting your name in Guiness Book of World Records (no sarcasm). It gives them a sense of accomplishment and there is nothing wrong in it. And if there is a leaderboard, the players have a right to know if the player they are competing with achived his accomplishments genuinely  -Think of this as Drug Tests in athletics (bad example, In know).

Whe I see a good player, I always check their manifest and see which wepons they are using mostly and what builds they are using. I then take their builds and make slight modifications and use it for myself. I beliave thats the reason why BioWare made the Character builds available online.

[RB26D3TT]

Mindfane wrote...

Tortugueta wrote...

Mindfane wrote...
Well I don't see any reason to keep your manifest private. It does not show any of your private information. All it shows is your builds, progress and inventory. And nobody is going to take away anything from it.

I haven't played that many multiplayer games, but the ones I have played (BF3 for instance) shows the full info about every other players. But it lets you hide certain information - like age, real name..

And I have seen several suspicious ME 3 manifests.

Well, it's not up to you to decide what reasons are valid or invalid in order to make a profile private. It's enough that a user expressed his will to make his profile private. The reasons of said user are none of your business.

Regarding cheaters, Bioware has access to the profiles and much more. Vigilantes are thus not needed.

I never forced anyone to make their profile Public or Private. All I said was 'I' do not see nay reason why a computer game progress report should be made Private. But like you said, some peopel might have their own reason to make it private. In that case, I am genuinely interested in knowing the said reason - If the reason is valid to me, maybe I should follow his/her example as well.

I came across a previous post, which compares thsi scenario with a Person home and a car. Those two are not comparable to a simple gamer profile, atleast in my opinion. (And in many countries, it is illegal to apply dark cooling flim on your car windows (atleast in my country this is the law)).

I am not intesrested in leaderboards and I am not obsessed with it. But there are players who enjoy moving up in a leaderboard. Its like gettting your name in Guiness Book of World Records (no sarcasm). It gives them a sense of accomplishment and there is nothing wrong in it. And if there is a leaderboard, the players have a right to know if the player they are competing with achived his accomplishments genuinely  -Think of this as Drug Tests in athletics (bad example, In know).

Whe I see a good player, I always check their manifest and see which wepons they are using mostly and what builds they are using. I then take their builds and make slight modifications and use it for myself. I beliave thats the reason why BioWare made the Character builds available online.

Very valid point, thanks for the opinion.

Modifié par RB26D3TT, 07 février 2013 - 09:49 .

[RB26D3TT]

I see that the pace everyone hated me is slowing and reason is sinking in. There is still hope.

[Saints]

I guess my batbaby pic didn't help

[Tortugueta]

Mindfane wrote...

Tortugueta wrote...

Mindfane wrote...
Well I don't see any reason to keep your manifest private. It does not show any of your private information. All it shows is your builds, progress and inventory. And nobody is going to take away anything from it.

I haven't played that many multiplayer games, but the ones I have played (BF3 for instance) shows the full info about every other players. But it lets you hide certain information - like age, real name..

And I have seen several suspicious ME 3 manifests.

Well, it's not up to you to decide what reasons are valid or invalid in order to make a profile private. It's enough that a user expressed his will to make his profile private. The reasons of said user are none of your business.

Regarding cheaters, Bioware has access to the profiles and much more. Vigilantes are thus not needed.

I never forced anyone to make their profile Public or Private. All I said was 'I' do not see nay reason why a computer game progress report should be made Private. But like you said, some peopel might have their own reason to make it private. In that case, I am genuinely interested in knowing the said reason - If the reason is valid to me, maybe I should follow his/her example as well.

I came across a previous post, which compares thsi scenario with a Person home and a car. Those two are not comparable to a simple gamer profile, atleast in my opinion. (And in many countries, it is illegal to apply dark cooling flim on your car windows (atleast in my country this is the law)).

I am not intesrested in leaderboards and I am not obsessed with it. But there are players who enjoy moving up in a leaderboard. Its like gettting your name in Guiness Book of World Records (no sarcasm). It gives them a sense of accomplishment and there is nothing wrong in it. And if there is a leaderboard, the players have a right to know if the player they are competing with achived his accomplishments genuinely  -Think of this as Drug Tests in athletics (bad example, In know).

Whe I see a good player, I always check their manifest and see which wepons they are using mostly and what builds they are using. I then take their builds and make slight modifications and use it for myself. I beliave thats the reason why BioWare made the Character builds available online.

I didn't mean to imply that you were forcing anything on anybody. Sorry if that came out wrong.

All you say are perfectly valid points. But the fact still remains that ultimately everybody is entitled to his own reasons for wanting his profile private, and that option should be present and respected by the other players.

Regarding the leaderboard thing, as I already said, Bioware has access to all the information needed to spot cheaters. Any player paying attention to the leaderboards should assume all players to be legit. If one of the players turns out to be a cheater, I'm sure Bioware will find out one way or another, remove him, and all will be well again, with each legit player in his rightful place.

Edit: typo

Modifié par Tortugueta, 07 février 2013 - 11:19 .

[Nethershadow]

Tortugueta wrote...

Mindfane wrote...

Tortugueta wrote...

Mindfane wrote...
Well I don't see any reason to keep your manifest private. It does not show any of your private information. All it shows is your builds, progress and inventory. And nobody is going to take away anything from it.

I haven't played that many multiplayer games, but the ones I have played (BF3 for instance) shows the full info about every other players. But it lets you hide certain information - like age, real name..

And I have seen several suspicious ME 3 manifests.

Well, it's not up to you to decide what reasons are valid or invalid in order to make a profile private. It's enough that a user expressed his will to make his profile private. The reasons of said user are none of your business.

Regarding cheaters, Bioware has access to the profiles and much more. Vigilantes are thus not needed.

I never forced anyone to make their profile Public or Private. All I said was 'I' do not see nay reason why a computer game progress report should be made Private. But like you said, some peopel might have their own reason to make it private. In that case, I am genuinely interested in knowing the said reason - If the reason is valid to me, maybe I should follow his/her example as well.

I came across a previous post, which compares thsi scenario with a Person home and a car. Those two are not comparable to a simple gamer profile, atleast in my opinion. (And in many countries, it is illegal to apply dark cooling flim on your car windows (atleast in my country this is the law)).

I am not intesrested in leaderboards and I am not obsessed with it. But there are players who enjoy moving up in a leaderboard. Its like gettting your name in Guiness Book of World Records (no sarcasm). It gives them a sense of accomplishment and there is nothing wrong in it. And if there is a leaderboard, the players have a right to know if the player they are competing with achived his accomplishments genuinely  -Think of this as Drug Tests in athletics (bad example, In know).

Whe I see a good player, I always check their manifest and see which wepons they are using mostly and what builds they are using. I then take their builds and make slight modifications and use it for myself. I beliave thats the reason why BioWare made the Character builds available online.

I didn't mean to imply that you were forcing anything on anybody. Sorry if that came out wrong.

All you say are perfectly valid points. But the fact still remains that ultimately everybody is entitled to his own reasons for wanting his profile private, and that option should be present and respected by the other players.

Regarding the leaderboard thing, as I already said, Bioware has access to all the information needed to spot cheaters. Any player paying attention to the leaderboards should assume all players to be legit. If one of the players turns out to be a cheater, I'm sure Bioware will find out one way or another, remove him, and all will be well again, with each legit player in his rightful place.

Edit: typo

How many people at bioware for this game do you think are looking for cheaters?  How many thousands of people play this game? 

BW encourages you to report cheaters and the do respond to those reports. 

Common sense says if you want to play a mp game which is somewhat competitive (leaderboard n rank) then you have already chosen to be viewed. Also any match can be recorded and put on YouTube which will show some of your profile whether private or not. 

In the end, for anyone that wants a private profile, that setting should automatically remove and wipe you from the leaderbosrd, and if you ever want to go public again ( which is choosing to be competitive whether you are trying to our not) then you n7 and challenge points are reset to 0.

Private profiles are for single player games. 

[Tortugueta]

Nethershadow wrote...
How many people at bioware for this game do you think are looking for cheaters?  How many thousands of people play this game? 

BW encourages you to report cheaters and the do respond to those reports. 

It's good that they listen to reports of players. Demanding access to everybody's profile for reporting purposes does not follow. If memory serves, it has been officially stated in the forums (if someone has the link...) that most bans come from internal flags, not from user reports.

Nethershadow wrote...
Common sense says if you want to play a mp game which is somewhat competitive (leaderboard n rank) then you have already chosen to be viewed. Also any match can be recorded and put on YouTube which will show some of your profile whether private or not. 

This is not a competitive game. The fact that they added a ranking does not make it a competitive game. You can make a competition out of anything you want, like pissing against the wind without soaking yourself. That does not make pissing a competion per se. I can tell you I don't play this game as a competetion and I couldn't care less about the leaderboards. In fact, I would gladly remove my username from the leaderboards if the possibility existed. And I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

And I don't remember choosing anything when I launched the game for the first time. As a matter of fact, when I bought the game it didn't even feature a leaderboard or a profile. I could live with a public profile, but I appreciate the option of making it private.

Nethershadow wrote...
In the end, for anyone that wants a private profile, that setting should automatically remove and wipe you from the leaderbosrd, and if you ever want to go public again ( which is choosing to be competitive whether you are trying to our not) then you n7 and challenge points are reset to 0.

I would agree to have my username removed from the leaderboard. However, there are no incompatibilities between a private profile and the competition. In fact, it stands to logic that a competitive player would want to keep some information secret, such as his builds for instance.

Nethershadow wrote...
Private profiles are for single player games. 

...and public games that offer the option, such as ME3.

[millahnna]

RB26D3TT wrote...

Seriously? Why would you make it private?

Because it's none of your business?  Mind you mine's not private and I finally got around to including a linnk in my sig and everything.  And I totally see your point about spotting cheaters that way.  But... why bother?  I'd rather spot cheaters by playing the game I love and notincing their bad habits than dig around online for their manifest and blah blah voyeurcakes.

But really, it truly is none of your business.  Just like on forums where I set my profile to invisible so that you can't see when I'm there... totally none of your business.

EDIT: I'm wondering if the difference of opinion here is going to be generational.  Folks under the age of, say, 30 are so used to wide open publicized stuff online and those of us a wee bit older are used to keeping stuff private online.  I rather straddle the fence myself and I'm sure there are exceptions.  But I'd be curious to see if generally speaking, most folks against private profiles are younger and grew up with the internet in a way that those of us 35+ did not.  And in case my tone isn't coming across correctly, not trying to call out either side or anything, just an observation based in curiosity.

Modifié par millahnna, 07 février 2013 - 01:54 .

[Swan Killer]

I think I asked someone here on BSN why he would make his N7HQ private. The answer was something like "because it's nobody's business how many hours I've put in the game".
I guess it's emberassing for some people.

[Signuversum]

RB26D3TT wrote...

Dumb:
[...]
3) Hiding playing time from friends/moms/wives

I suppose you've never dealt with the Mighty Wrath of Wife.

[LincolnWithHat]

Now I want to set my manifest to private just to spite you.

[NuclearTech76]

Slightly disturbed that OP thinks everyone should be able to see how big my E-Peen is.

[Dark Tlaloc]

I agree with this to a point; I think that if you’re going to be arguing with people on this forum, your manifest should be open.


An example: You shouldn’t be in threads saying “the Reegar is too powerful, it should be nerfed” if your manifest shows that you don’t even have it.

A second example: People on BSN like to talk about how much better they are than other players, at which point it’s probably fair to know whether they’ve played 900 hours of MP, and have a maxed manifest. Showing a screenshot of a pic in which you outscored everyone else is a little less impressive when you were using a Harrier X on your TGI/Destroyer with level IV ammo and ramps, and the other people on the team were using low level rare guns.

Technically it’s not something that is needed, but for the sake of some of the complainers/braggarts on BSN, it would be nice if manifests were public; I always assume people with private manifests have something to hide.

[Kinom001]

Some people don't like to be stalked, whether the profile contains personal info or not. Setting an account to private, or not, should be a personal choice.

At the end of the day the question is, what does it hurt to set an account to private?

[Nethershadow]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Slightly disturbed that OP thinks everyone should be able to see how big my E-Peen is.

Why?

Not sure why so many here think he's a leetist jerk,. He is interested in competing on the boards, and anyone on the board should be viewable to all others. He's not insulting anyone and isn't it just fair to show everyone is open and honest? we aren't talking about your own personal data just the game stats for an online game you chose to play with other people that is partially competitive hence the rank board. 

So some people here hate the honest rat, which is fine but does it make that much of a difference if your caught cheating by BW or someone reporting you? If you cheat you have to expect that this day might come. 

I am no superstar but even I check other players builds /manifest when I see God players to compare to how I did mine, is a common way we learn.  And who doesn't want to know how the top of the board are specced?

[NuclearTech76]

Nethershadow wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Slightly disturbed that OP thinks everyone should be able to see how big my E-Peen is.

Why?

Not sure why so many here think he's a leetist jerk,. He is interested in competing on the boards, and anyone on the board should be viewable to all others. He's not insulting anyone and isn't it just fair to show everyone is open and honest? we aren't talking about your own personal data just the game stats for an online game you chose to play with other people that is partially competitive hence the rank board. 

So some people here hate the honest rat, which is fine but does it make that much of a difference if your caught cheating by BW or someone reporting you? If you cheat you have to expect that this day might come. 

I am no superstar but even I check other players builds /manifest when I see God players to compare to how I did mine, is a common way we learn.  And who doesn't want to know how the top of the board are specced?

So we should be forced to share our builds with everyone?

[Cricketer15]

This is sexist. Why female can hide manifest then change title now. His/her. Gender equality I want my femshep banner biower pls!

[CrimsonN7]

Cricketer15 wrote...

This is sexist. Why female can hide manifest then change title now. His/her. Gender equality I want my femshep banner biower pls!

I demand MOAR e-boob love on the boards!<3

[RB26D3TT]

@Kinom001
@Lathrim
Define "Stalking".

[INVADERONE]

My profile is public and will stay that way. I never felt a reason to cheat so I'm good with it.

I'm not sure why people make their profiles private unless they are being competitive about leaderboard ranking and do not want other possible opponents to know how many credits they have for xp leveling. That's probably the only reason I can think of.

[TheThirdRace]

RB26D3TT wrote...

@Kinom001
@Lathrim
Define "Stalking".

Unless you were dumb enough to use your real name, all the "stalkers" gonna do is check a "nameless" stat sheet...

[Ninja Stan]

This discussion is no longer productive.

End of line.