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Jeremiah12LGeek

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This thread is about Weekend Challenge/Operations.

(I thought I'd say that, because I occasionally put so much effort into my titles, that it's no longer obvious what they're about.)

There's anticipation about new DLC, and I think it's great that  a year after ME 3's release, free DLC still gets people excited.

I'm mostly remembering what had me most excited about the game, the old weekend op/community Challenges.

In those early days, two weeks apart, the story of the Mass Effect Universe was being told. Not everyone survived to tell the tale. There were failures. Sometimes of the whole community, sometimes of the individual.

The community was growing together, then.

It wasn't possible for this bronze player, with barely a clue how this game worked, to finish some of those early ops alone. I had to brave into the world of Gold, without even knowing how Biotic Explosions worked. When things were blowing up around me, I really was freaking out, and only the Veterans could yank my stupid head under the firing line and keep me alive long enough to get my Valiant III (woohoo!)

I had to be carried. I had to learn. I had to find out about the tragic failures of the op, waiting days (almost like communication had been cut to major hubs) for results or intelligence on whether the op had succeeded against the enemy.

It's like we were participating in a huge, epic War Story.

And now we get our killstreaks, and our revives, and those have been an interesting change of pace. It's a little more work than using a flame power a few times, but it doesn't seem to do much in the way of telling a story.

So here's my plea for a compromise between the old style, & the new. Weekend Challenges that are difficult enough that approximately half the community will have to work really hard to get it, or seek help from more experienced players. They would happen every two weeks again (to accomodate the extra work involved). There would be an individual goal, and a community goal.

In the first operation, the community goal would be really hard. Individual goals (with the Promo Weapon pack) would be fairly easy, as they are now.

Two weeks later, the individual goal would be very challenging, but the commuity goal would be relatively easy.

And, of course, the operations would tell a sort of story, the way they did in the Spring, complete with consequences for the failure of Community Goals.

Not everything can be done under the new system, but I don't necessarily mean complexity. Maybe one of the really challenging goals could be extracting Gold with one of the kits with the lowest successful extraction rates on Gold (I don't know what those are, but someone does.)

I've spent enough time talking about that, here's my answer to a few of the most obvious questions/criticisms.

It's too hard for new players.

It isn't technically any harder than it was for new players last spring, and we managed to do it. Back then, there were not 100s of Videos on how to play, there were not advanced communities of players on BSN to tap into, and there were far fewer Platinum Experts to turn to (since Platinum didn't even exist for most of the early ops.) Hard doesn't mean impossible.

The weekly system rewards us more often.

Yes, but it diminishes the meaning of that success, as well. When was the last time someone had an epic story about how they finished an op? Most players would prefer an easy reward every week, but that doesn't mean most players shoud get an easy reward every week.

To keep the community alive, it is necessary to cater to new players.

Actually, I debate the truth of this. Keeping new players in mind is important, catering to them will not work. The ME 3 community is going to be kept alive by players like me, 6 months from now. Not someone who got the game for Christmas, and is still figuring out which difficulty they want to play on. They may stay, they may go. Keep players like me happy, and we'll still be here in 6 months, and some of those new players probably will be, too.

You're an elitest douchebag.

I always usually place fourth in Gold. I've only been playing Gold since Christmas. My only Silver Solo didn't happen until about a month ago, and I was still habitually playing bronze in November (I hadn't played in three months, which set me back a little.) I do not have a maxed manifest. I finished all the ops through July, despite being a bronze player. So maybe I'm a little elitest, but not because I think the better players deserve the reward.

It's because I think the reward should go to the players who are willing to work hard and take risks for it. And you don't have to be an elite player to do that.

TLDR: Weekend ops were more exciting when they were hard, and told a story. Keeping the community thrilled and engaged will work better if we find compromise between easy ops, and challenging ones.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 07 février 2013 - 10:49 .


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Saltyballz81

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tl;dr option please mate.

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Yes... I think.

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nle;rt

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I suspect much of the weekend challenge events recently is because it's easier to set up and award individual packs. We may play the game but there's poor slobs on the backend who have to compile and tally all of the stat's for community events...and then people spend two days ****in' about when the commendation packs are going to be awarded.

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I remember the operation that we failed, the punishment was 30 seconds longer on extraction waves.

...Back then, there was no credit reward for extractions, so it wasn't much of a punishment as most of the people I played with couldn't be bothered with extraction waves so usually just wiped wave 10 after we got the credits so we could start a new game faster.

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I did enjoy the community events a lot. But I also love having a challenge every weekend, if only for something new to focus on and not for the reward.

There must be some way to balance those two.

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Saltyballz81 wrote...

tl;dr option please mate.


Hmm. Okay. I think I can come up with a sum.

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Saltyballz81 wrote...

tl;dr option please mate.


<troll>Learn to read, mate.</troll>


Back on topic, pre-retaliation, people were ranting about how hard were the operations (especially when it involved extracting on gold). Now people is ranting about how easy are the operations. I guess people don't know what they want.

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I'm not opposed to the easier missions (though obviously prefer the harder ones from ye olde days) as long as the descriptions for the operations are more detailed. They've been kind of.. lackluster since the transition to the new system. I used to really love reading what Hackett had to say, was a lot like the old CDN entries that ME2 ran for a year on the in-game console. Can always do with more ME story.

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Dracian wrote...

Saltyballz81 wrote...

tl;dr option please mate.


<troll>Learn to read, mate.</troll>


Back on topic, pre-retaliation, people were ranting about how hard were the operations (especially when it involved extracting on gold). Now people is ranting about how easy are the operations. I guess people don't know what they want.


Well, it's probably not the same people.

Peoples is peoples.

And rant, really? OK. Whatever gets people excited, I guess. :ph34r:

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Ahh good old Operation Carry

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leonia42 wrote...

I'm not opposed to the easier missions (though obviously prefer the harder ones from ye olde days) as long as the descriptions for the operations are more detailed. They've been kind of.. lackluster since the transition to the new system. I used to really love reading what Hackett had to say, was a lot like the old CDN entries that ME2 ran for a year on the in-game console. Can always do with more ME story.


The story behind it all is really what I enjoy. The story has no climax, however, without the very real possibilty of failure.

It's sort of like the comparison between Star Wars and Phantom Menace.

Luke had to overcome overwhelming challenges, and faced very real danger of failure/death.

Anakin didn't even know what was going on, and blindly "won" his way through every encounter without actually being challenged, or facing failure.

Uh... :?  I think I just opened a can of worms with that comparison, so maybe I'll drop it...

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HolyAvenger wrote...

Ahh good old Operation Carry


I had never been on BSN, and had no idea that "sub-operation" was going on in the community at the time. I probably never played with you (I'm on Xbox) but I was definitely one of those guys you carried.

So, a belated thanks. :)

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Challenger? I barely even know her!

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+1 from a scrub.

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Signuversum wrote...

+1 from a scrub.


For this thread, that's the best kind of +1. :D

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LightRobot wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I remember the operation that we failed, the punishment was 30 seconds longer on extraction waves.

...Back then, there was no credit reward for extractions, so it wasn't much of a punishment as most of the people I played with couldn't be bothered with extraction waves so usually just wiped wave 10 after we got the credits so we could start a new game faster.


I remember that time , I always go for the xtraction, same back then. Hell I even remember one of my first plat, only a few ennemies left, all teammates down, and one of them telling me to just give up because we have the credits anyway... lol SCREW that I always go for the extractions I want to come home to my asari wife and krogan children.
It was good time, missions had more sense, it was collective and that tiime there were even repercussions to our failure.
Now they're absoulutely pointless and boring, hell if I care about getting eagle V, crusader IV or hurrican VI, give me challenge !!



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LightRobot wrote...

 my asari wife and krogan children.

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HolyAvenger wrote...

LightRobot wrote...

 my asari wife and krogan children.

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HolyAvenger wrote...

LightRobot wrote
 my asari wife and krogan children.

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I got kids with a Krogan female and my wife is asari, what's worng with that ?? <_<

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Das Rouse wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

LightRobot wrote...

 my asari wife and krogan children.

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lol man that face !

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LightRobot wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

LightRobot wrote
 my asari wife and krogan children.

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I got kids with a Krogan female and my wife is asari, what's worng with that ?? <_<


You get around!

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LightRobot wrote...

It was good time, missions had more sense, it was collective and that tiime there were even repercussions to our failure.
Now they're absoulutely pointless and boring, hell if I care about getting eagle V, crusader IV or hurrican VI, give me challenge !!


I strongly echo these sentiments. (Except the part about Crusader/Hurricane. I do love those.)