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[KevShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

No, in ME1 the codex says that the guns fire from a small metal block that the gun takes shards of that metal and mass accelerates it. This is how each gun fires 1000 rounds without having to reload.

Yes, bullets. Bullets, not cartridges. Haven't you ever heard a railgun/coilgun before? Often called a MAC? That's what ME guns are. They fire really small bullets, but much, much faster than modern guns, so they hit with the same, or more, force.

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Codex in ME1......


All modern infantry weapons from pistols to assault rifles use micro-scaled mass accelerator technology. Projectiles consist of tiny metal slugs suspended within a mass-reducing field, accelerated by magnetic force to speeds that inflict kinetic damage.
The ammo magazine is a simple block of metal. The gun's internal computer calculates the mass needed to reach the target based on distance, gravity, and atmospheric pressure, then shears off an appropriately sized slug from the block. A single block can supply thousands of rounds, making ammo a non-issue during any engagement.
Top-line weapons also feature smart targeting that allows them to correct for weather and environment. Firing on a target in a howling gale feels the same as it does on a calm day on a practice range. Smart targeting does not mean a bullet will automatically find the mark every time the trigger is pulled; it only makes it easier for the marksman to aim

Modifié par KevShep, 07 février 2013 - 01:51 .

[BleedingUranium]

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

No, in ME1 the codex says that the guns fire from a small metal block that the gun takes shards of that metal and mass accelerates it. This is how each gun fires 1000 rounds without having to reload.

Yes, bullets. Bullets, not cartridges. Haven't you ever heard a railgun/coilgun before? Often called a MAC? That's what ME guns are. They fire really small bullets, but much, much faster than modern guns, so they hit with the same, or more, force.

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Yes, it shaves small bits of metal off to form bullets. Because of how small the bullets are, the block can last for thousands of rounds.

[o Ventus]

KevShep wrote...

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Judging by the in-game use of the word "bullet", I've always taken it as a colloquial term to describe the projectiles fired from a firearm (the in-game small arms, anyway). It isn't technically correct, but at the same time, it isn't an egregious felony.

[KevShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

No, in ME1 the codex says that the guns fire from a small metal block that the gun takes shards of that metal and mass accelerates it. This is how each gun fires 1000 rounds without having to reload.

Yes, bullets. Bullets, not cartridges. Haven't you ever heard a railgun/coilgun before? Often called a MAC? That's what ME guns are. They fire really small bullets, but much, much faster than modern guns, so they hit with the same, or more, force.

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Yes, it shaves small bits of metal off to form bullets. Because of how small the bullets are, the block can last for thousands of rounds.

Bullets and metal slugs are ALOT different. The metal slugs can be as small as a needle pin's end.

[KevShep]

o Ventus wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Judging by the in-game use of the word "bullet", I've always taken it as a colloquial term to describe the projectiles fired from a firearm (the in-game small arms, anyway). It isn't technically correct, but at the same time, it isn't an egregious felony.

 Yes but the OP mentions that the lore about the guns is contridicting to ME2and ME3 because of this.

Modifié par KevShep, 07 février 2013 - 01:55 .

[BleedingUranium]

KevShep wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Judging by the in-game use of the word "bullet", I've always taken it as a colloquial term to describe the projectiles fired from a firearm (the in-game small arms, anyway). It isn't technically correct, but at the same time, it isn't an egregious felony.

 Yes but the OP mentions that the lore about the guns is contridicting to ME2and ME3 because of this.

How so?

[KevShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Judging by the in-game use of the word "bullet", I've always taken it as a colloquial term to describe the projectiles fired from a firearm (the in-game small arms, anyway). It isn't technically correct, but at the same time, it isn't an egregious felony.

 Yes but the OP mentions that the lore about the guns is contridicting to ME2and ME3 because of this.

How so?

You see bullet casings in ME3 and once in ME2 however there are not any bullets in ME because they are fired from a metal block.

[BansheeOwnage]

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Judging by the in-game use of the word "bullet", I've always taken it as a colloquial term to describe the projectiles fired from a firearm (the in-game small arms, anyway). It isn't technically correct, but at the same time, it isn't an egregious felony.

 Yes but the OP mentions that the lore about the guns is contridicting to ME2and ME3 because of this.

How so?

You see bullet casings in ME3 and once in ME2 however there are not any bullets in ME because they are fired from a metal block.

Those are thermal clips, which eject and are replaced when depleted.

[o Ventus]

KevShep wrote...

You see bullet casings in ME3 and once in ME2 however there are not any bullets in ME because they are fired from a metal block.

Which is weird as hell, considering the Typhoon. I doubt they are heatsinks, because that would make the Typhhon the biggest piece of crap ever to grace the battlefield.

Modifié par o Ventus, 07 février 2013 - 02:03 .

[KevShep]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Go gack an read the ME1 codex dude.

It STATES shards from the METAL block ( this means NOT bullets). It makes it obvious that its NOT talking about bullets.

Judging by the in-game use of the word "bullet", I've always taken it as a colloquial term to describe the projectiles fired from a firearm (the in-game small arms, anyway). It isn't technically correct, but at the same time, it isn't an egregious felony.

 Yes but the OP mentions that the lore about the guns is contridicting to ME2and ME3 because of this.

How so?

You see bullet casings in ME3 and once in ME2 however there are not any bullets in ME because they are fired from a metal block.

Those are thermal clips, which eject and are replaced when depleted.

So what your saying is that the thermal clips have a max ammo of about 30 rounds or so?

In ME1 the thermal clips can avoid being over heated by not going over the max temp. IN ME2/3 it does not matter how slow you fire your gun the thermal clips will always have to be replaced after 30 or so rounds.

Modifié par KevShep, 07 février 2013 - 02:07 .

[BansheeOwnage]

KevShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Those are thermal clips, which eject and are replaced when depleted.

So what your saying is that the thermal clips have a max ammo of about 30 rounds or so?

In ME1 the thermal clips can avoid being over heated by not going over the max temp. IN ME2/3 it does not matter how slow you fire your gun the thermal clips will always have to be replaced after 30 or so rounds.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. But who cares what I am saying? That's what the game says.

Edit: And the number obviously depends on the weapon.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 février 2013 - 02:08 .

[KevShep]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Those are thermal clips, which eject and are replaced when depleted.

So what your saying is that the thermal clips have a max ammo of about 30 rounds or so?

In ME1 the thermal clips can avoid being over heated by not going over the max temp. IN ME2/3 it does not matter how slow you fire your gun the thermal clips will always have to be replaced after 30 or so rounds.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. But who cares what I am saying? That's what the game says.

Edit: And the number obviously depends on the weapon.

Its a lore breaker!

Another lore breaker that I have noticed is that the reapers have the ability to indoctrinate however the reapers dont have the slightest clue of organics emotion driven logic? Indoctrination requires them to understand our emotional logic inorder to use it, however the catalyst cant understand why we organics dont agree with there plans?

[Baranus33]

Bullet just means a projectile fired from a weapon.... a simple google search could have solved your whine session. A small metal object like the ones used in ME are really no different then lead balls used in early firearms other then how they are projected out of the gun.

Also the typhoon "shell casings" people hear are actually heatsinks, watch here and see for yourself www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Baranus33, 07 février 2013 - 02:16 .

[BleedingUranium]

o Ventus wrote...

Which is weird as hell, considering the Typhoon. I doubt they are heatsinks, because that would make the Typhhon the biggest piece of crap ever to grace the battlefield.

They're much smaller than normal heatsinks, and it's likely because of how powerful the gun is.

If not heatsinks, then they are likely casings from specialized ammunition made by an internal fabricator, just like the Falcon, which also ejects "casings".

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 07 février 2013 - 02:16 .

[Baranus33]

KevShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Those are thermal clips, which eject and are replaced when depleted.

So what your saying is that the thermal clips have a max ammo of about 30 rounds or so?

In ME1 the thermal clips can avoid being over heated by not going over the max temp. IN ME2/3 it does not matter how slow you fire your gun the thermal clips will always have to be replaced after 30 or so rounds.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. But who cares what I am saying? That's what the game says.

Edit: And the number obviously depends on the weapon.

Its a lore breaker!

Another lore breaker that I have noticed is that the reapers have the ability to indoctrinate however the reapers dont have the slightest clue of organics emotion driven logic? Indoctrination requires them to understand our emotional logic inorder to use it, however the catalyst cant understand why we organics dont agree with there plans?

thats because the Catalyst is lying bro...

[Sibu]

hallidio wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

hallidio wrote...

It's a game, people are human, nitpicking, play the game or don't. Shimplez

It's a book... It's a movie...
This reasoning you displayed is utterly stupid. Simple.

Wrong, if I enjoy a movie I don't go over it with a fine tooth comb. If i don't like it, I dont watch it again and don't post on forums about it. Shimplez

IT is a piece of fiction, even the best such as Tolkien had lore breakers and plot holes.....so what

Champion of mediocrity

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Which is weird as hell, considering the Typhoon. I doubt they are heatsinks, because that would make the Typhhon the biggest piece of crap ever to grace the battlefield.

They're much smaller than normal heatsinks, and it's likely because of how powerful the gun is.

If not heatsinks, then they are likely casings from specialized ammunition made by an internal fabricator, just like the Falcon, which also ejects "casings".

Which, like thermal clip, heat sinks, bullets, and magnets, is explained! There is no lore break here.

[BansheeOwnage]

Baranus33 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Those are thermal clips, which eject and are replaced when depleted.

So what your saying is that the thermal clips have a max ammo of about 30 rounds or so?

In ME1 the thermal clips can avoid being over heated by not going over the max temp. IN ME2/3 it does not matter how slow you fire your gun the thermal clips will always have to be replaced after 30 or so rounds.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. But who cares what I am saying? That's what the game says.

Edit: And the number obviously depends on the weapon.

Its a lore breaker!

Another lore breaker that I have noticed is that the reapers have the ability to indoctrinate however the reapers dont have the slightest clue of organics emotion driven logic? Indoctrination requires them to understand our emotional logic inorder to use it, however the catalyst cant understand why we organics dont agree with there plans?

thats because the Catalyst is lying bro...

I like this human, (s)he understands!!!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 février 2013 - 02:19 .

[KevShep]

Baranus33 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Those are thermal clips, which eject and are replaced when depleted.

So what your saying is that the thermal clips have a max ammo of about 30 rounds or so?

In ME1 the thermal clips can avoid being over heated by not going over the max temp. IN ME2/3 it does not matter how slow you fire your gun the thermal clips will always have to be replaced after 30 or so rounds.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. But who cares what I am saying? That's what the game says.

Edit: And the number obviously depends on the weapon.

Its a lore breaker!

Another lore breaker that I have noticed is that the reapers have the ability to indoctrinate however the reapers dont have the slightest clue of organics emotion driven logic? Indoctrination requires them to understand our emotional logic inorder to use it, however the catalyst cant understand why we organics dont agree with there plans?

thats because the Catalyst is lying bro...

Thats not what Iam saying...

I will be more clear. The reapers have been using this method of a "solution" for millions of years however we organics have made a BETTER solution in less time. the question is...

How can the raepers have access to our minds to that degree and not have found out a "NEW" solution like we orgaincs did?

[o Ventus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

They're much smaller than normal heatsinks, and it's likely because of how powerful the gun is.

That Typhoon had better be a mini-Cain then. Since it ejects a... Whatever it is, at a ratio of 1:1 per shot fired, that would mean its generating an absurd amount of heat per individual shot fired. The sheer kinetic energy from the bullet would be gibbing enemies.

Then again, the newer N7 weapons don't seem to care about lore. After all, the Piranha shotgun has a drum magazine on top.

[BansheeOwnage]

KevShep wrote...

Baranus33 wrote...

thats because the Catalyst is lying bro...

Thats not what Iam saying...

I will be more clear. The reapers have been using this method of a "solution" for millions of years however we organics have made a BETTER solution in less time. the question is...

How can the raepers have access to our minds to that degree and not have found out a "NEW" solution like we orgaincs did?

The degree of ignorance in this post is more staggering than a Geth Prime and its drones.

1. Indoctrination =/= mind reading per se. So, they don't "have access" to our minds.
2. More importantly, I don't think you understand what "lying" is.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 février 2013 - 02:26 .

[BansheeOwnage]

o Ventus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

They're much smaller than normal heatsinks, and it's likely because of how powerful the gun is.

That Typhoon had better be a mini-Cain then. Since it ejects a... Whatever it is, at a ratio of 1:1 per shot fired, that would mean its generating an absurd amount of heat per individual shot fired. The sheer kinetic energy from the bullet would be gibbing enemies.

Then again, the newer N7 weapons don't seem to care about lore. After all, the Piranha shotgun has a drum magazine on top.

So? But I will admit the Typhoon's heat sinks are a bit of fun. They are plausible though.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 février 2013 - 02:27 .

[KevShep]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Baranus33 wrote...

thats because the Catalyst is lying bro...

Thats not what Iam saying...

I will be more clear. The reapers have been using this method of a "solution" for millions of years however we organics have made a BETTER solution in less time. the question is...

How can the raepers have access to our minds to that degree and not have found out a "NEW" solution like we orgaincs did?

The degree of ignorance in this post is more staggering than a Geth Prime and its drones.

1. Indoctrination =/= mind reading per se. So, they don't "have access" to our minds.
2. More importantly, I don't think you understand what "lying" is.
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I dont think that you understand indoctrination.....

oIve typed out sentence by sentence break bown of the codex on indoctrination

[[Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds]],

-Insidious definition...1a: awaiting a chance to entrap...b: harmful but enticing : seductive.
-This is key to understanding how they use indoctrination. They MUST wait to get a subject to be traped by there own fears in contrast with there goals.


[["reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning]]

- Psychological conditioning
A process of behavior modification in which the likelihood of a specific behavior is increased or decreased through positive or negative reinforcement each time the behavior is exhibited, so that the subject comes to associate the pleasure or displeasure of the reinforcement with the behavior..........This does NOT just happen on its own. It REQUIRES perfect timing and NEEDS to be controled.

[[using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods.]]

-sub·lim·i·nal (sb-lm-nl)
adj. Psychology
1. Below the threshold of conscious perception. Used of stimuli.
2. Inadequate to produce conscious awareness but able to evoke a response

-Read that last one. Again, indoc is not something the reapers just flip on a swich without doing anything.

[[The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.]]

-LIMBIC SYSTEM.... Limbic system structures are involved in many of our emotions and motivations, particularly those that are related to survival. Such emotions include fear, anger

-Saren and TIM were fueled by fear of not surviving because of there limbic system in the control of the reapers. There goals made made them an EASY target for the reapers because TIM and Sarens motives fell in line with the reapers own plans.

[[Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.]]

- There signals they emit are making the indoctrinated people walking reaper artifacts that can indoctrinate others if spent to long in there presents. The signal is just the connection from the reapers to the subjects.

[[Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents.]]

- indoctrination is NOT the same as direct control as seen with Pual Grason as proof.

[[A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.]]

- there suggestions (meaning that they are NOT directly controling them) which are unknown to the subject often make them in awe of the reapers has we saw in TIM and Saren and even Kenson but not in Paul Grason(becaues he was in direct control instead).

[[Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years]]

-The more that you manipulate someone the less that that person becomes useful to think on there own (as in real life with things like religion and zeliots). This will turn them into husks which the reapers abandonded because they make VERY bad agents.


Indoctrination is a very hard thing to understand. It is something that you have to pay attention to and notice because even the codex is so misunderstood. People get the deffinitions of the words wrong all the time.

Modifié par KevShep, 07 février 2013 - 02:34 .

[BleedingUranium]

o Ventus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

They're much smaller than normal heatsinks, and it's likely because of how powerful the gun is.

That Typhoon had better be a mini-Cain then. Since it ejects a... Whatever it is, at a ratio of 1:1 per shot fired, that would mean its generating an absurd amount of heat per individual shot fired. The sheer kinetic energy from the bullet would be gibbing enemies.

Then again, the newer N7 weapons don't seem to care about lore. After all, the Piranha shotgun has a drum magazine on top.

For the Typhoon: balance issues.

I've never really given the Piranha's drum mag much thought, but the attention to detail is nice in that it actually rotates with every shot, and has eight chambers!

KevShep wrote...

Thats not what Iam saying...

I
will be more clear. The reapers have been using this method of a
"solution" for millions of years however we organics have made a BETTER
solution in less time. the question is...

How can the raepers
have access to our minds to that degree and not have found out a "NEW"
solution like we orgaincs did?

Those are very good questions.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 07 février 2013 - 02:33 .

[o Ventus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

So? But I will admit the Typhoon's heat sinks are a bit of fun. They are plausible though.

So then why put a drum magazine on a weapon that already derives its ammunition from a block of metal located inside the body of the gun? 

I haven't played with the Piranha in a long time, but doesn't the magazine also revolve when fired in succession? That would mean it has 8 or so smaller blocks of metal that trade off after every full rotation. Kind of pointless (and not very weight efficient) when you consider every other shotgun in the game.

Modifié par o Ventus, 07 février 2013 - 02:33 .