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[BleedingUranium]

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

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Put as simply as possible: Indoctrination doesn't force you do what the Reapers want, it makes you want to do the things the Reapers want.

Thats exactly what the limbic system is and that is excatly what Ive been saying.

Its because of this that the reapers have enough intel on our thought process that they can and would have found a new solution that made sense. The fact that they have not is contridicting to them being able to use indoctinration.

Its a major plot hole

What's this about a new solution? What new solution? The only solution we organics came up with is to kill the Reapers, and they're very much aware of that.

[KevShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

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Put as simply as possible: Indoctrination doesn't force you do what the Reapers want, it makes you want to do the things the Reapers want.

Thats exactly what the limbic system is and that is excatly what Ive been saying.

Its because of this that the reapers have enough intel on our thought process that they can and would have found a new solution that made sense. The fact that they have not is contridicting to them being able to use indoctinration.

Its a major plot hole

What's this about a new solution? What new solution? The only solution we organics came up with is to kill the Reapers, and they're very much aware of that.

Its obvious that "we synthetics need to kill you so you wont be killed by synthetics" ploy is just plain stupid and it also makes little sense that since we value our own existence as individuals rather then a emotionaless being(reaper) that we would find a new solution.

This means that... if ...organics were in charge(instead of the catalyst) that there WOULD be a different solution to the chaos problem then what the reapers were doing. The reapers should have found a new solution to the problem because they have an understanding of our minds( throught indoctrination)
 

Modifié par KevShep, 07 février 2013 - 04:00 .

[BleedingUranium]

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

[
Put as simply as possible: Indoctrination doesn't force you do what the Reapers want, it makes you want to do the things the Reapers want.

Thats exactly what the limbic system is and that is excatly what Ive been saying.

Its because of this that the reapers have enough intel on our thought process that they can and would have found a new solution that made sense. The fact that they have not is contridicting to them being able to use indoctinration.

Its a major plot hole

What's this about a new solution? What new solution? The only solution we organics came up with is to kill the Reapers, and they're very much aware of that.

Its obvious that "we synthetics need to kill you so you wont be killed by synthetics" ploy is just plain stupid and it also makes little sense that since we value our own existence as individuals rather then a emotionaless being(reaper) that we would find a new solution.

This means that... if ...organics were in charge(instead of the catalyst) that there WOULD be a different solution to the chaos problem then what the reapers were doing. The reapers should have found a new solution to the problem because they have an understanding of our minds( throught indoctrination)

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

[masster blaster]

 

[KevShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

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Put as simply as possible: Indoctrination doesn't force you do what the Reapers want, it makes you want to do the things the Reapers want.

Thats exactly what the limbic system is and that is excatly what Ive been saying.

Its because of this that the reapers have enough intel on our thought process that they can and would have found a new solution that made sense. The fact that they have not is contridicting to them being able to use indoctinration.

Its a major plot hole

What's this about a new solution? What new solution? The only solution we organics came up with is to kill the Reapers, and they're very much aware of that.

Its obvious that "we synthetics need to kill you so you wont be killed by synthetics" ploy is just plain stupid and it also makes little sense that since we value our own existence as individuals rather then a emotionaless being(reaper) that we would find a new solution.

This means that... if ...organics were in charge(instead of the catalyst) that there WOULD be a different solution to the chaos problem then what the reapers were doing. The reapers should have found a new solution to the problem because they have an understanding of our minds( throught indoctrination)

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

Thats my point.

If they use indoctrination then they(the reapers) would have done the "living together peacefully" thing instead of giving us the crap that the catalyst is giving us for millions of years.

Modifié par KevShep, 07 février 2013 - 04:08 .

[BleedingUranium]

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

Thats my point.

If they use indoctrination then they(the reapers) would have done the "living together peacefully" that instead of giving us the crap that the catalyst is giving us.

That... makes no sense. The Reapers goal is to make more Reapers by melting down sapient life. All the crap the kid talks about is bull, and he knows it. That's the point.

[masster blaster]

There is no problem to begin with. It, and it's creators created the problem on themselfs. Leviathans started this whole mess, why because think about it. If the Leviathans could control synthetics, then none of this would have happened, yet it did. Most logic reason why organics vs. Synthetics happened was because the leviathans saw synthetics as a blight to them.

We can see a similar resembalances in the Quaiarians.

Then when the intellegences is created, it only made things worse. It came up with it's stupid logic, and from their on it just repreated the problem in every cycle. The war against synthetics and organics, and the birth of a reaper, what is organic, and synthetic just as one.

[KevShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

Thats my point.

If they use indoctrination then they(the reapers) would have done the "living together peacefully" that instead of giving us the crap that the catalyst is giving us.

That... makes no sense. The Reapers goal is to make more Reapers by melting down sapient life. All the crap the kid talks about is bull, and he knows it. That's the point.

No, he states that the reapers are doing this every cycle to prevent chaos between synthetics and organics.

[BleedingUranium]

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

Thats my point.

If they use indoctrination then they(the reapers) would have done the "living together peacefully" that instead of giving us the crap that the catalyst is giving us.

That... makes no sense. The Reapers goal is to make more Reapers by melting down sapient life. All the crap the kid talks about is bull, and he knows it. That's the point.

No, he states that the reapers are doing this every cycle to prevent chaos between synthetics and organics.

Yes. He does. Please read before quoting.

[masster blaster]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

Thats my point.

If they use indoctrination then they(the reapers) would have done the "living together peacefully" that instead of giving us the crap that the catalyst is giving us.

That... makes no sense. The Reapers goal is to make more Reapers by melting down sapient life. All the crap the kid talks about is bull, and he knows it. That's the point.

Very true, and Harbinger, and Nazara disprove the catalyst, no the Intellegences big time. Everything Nazara says is the opposite of what the intellegences says. Harbinger wanted tp preserve Humanity alone. Harbinger saw the other races of this cycle unworthy to become a Reaper. Ya what happened to preserving life? Why do we asked the dead Reapers, people of this cycle that are dead/ are blown to kingdom come, and that past cycles/ javik. Javik's crew became Indoctrinated, and Javik had to kill them all with his knife. Did his former crew get preserved, no.

[KevShep]

masster blaster wrote...

There is no problem to begin with. It, and it's creators created the problem on themselfs. Leviathans started this whole mess, why because think about it. If the Leviathans could control synthetics, then none of this would have happened, yet it did. Most logic reason why organics vs. Synthetics happened was because the leviathans saw synthetics as a blight to them.

We can see a similar resembalances in the Quaiarians.

Then when the intellegences is created, it only made things worse. It came up with it's stupid logic, and from their on it just repreated the problem in every cycle. The war against synthetics and organics, and the birth of a reaper, what is organic, and synthetic just as one.

I understand what your saying but its not what this is about.

Its about the reapers using indoctrination which means that the reapers could and should have found a way for peace between synthetics and organics through understanding our minds and logic. They would have not even need to do this evey cycle if they thought like we do.

[KevShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

Thats my point.

If they use indoctrination then they(the reapers) would have done the "living together peacefully" that instead of giving us the crap that the catalyst is giving us.

That... makes no sense. The Reapers goal is to make more Reapers by melting down sapient life. All the crap the kid talks about is bull, and he knows it. That's the point.

No, he states that the reapers are doing this every cycle to prevent chaos between synthetics and organics.

Yes. He does. Please read before quoting.

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[masster blaster]

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

Thats my point.

If they use indoctrination then they(the reapers) would have done the "living together peacefully" that instead of giving us the crap that the catalyst is giving us.

That... makes no sense. The Reapers goal is to make more Reapers by melting down sapient life. All the crap the kid talks about is bull, and he knows it. That's the point.

No, he states that the reapers are doing this every cycle to prevent chaos between synthetics and organics.

Yes. He does. Please read before quoting.

I agree with Blurr. also umm it uses Synthetics to kill organics. Ask javik about how the Reapers USED synthetics in HIS time, and then look at the geth in ME1- ME3. Ya it's TRYING to stop that.

[BleedingUranium]

There is no inherent or inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics. The kid knows that, he's using the lie as a way to manipulate you.

[KevShep]

masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Our solution is to live together peacefully. We proved we could do that long before he tried to sell us his factually incorrect problem.

Thats my point.

If they use indoctrination then they(the reapers) would have done the "living together peacefully" that instead of giving us the crap that the catalyst is giving us.

That... makes no sense. The Reapers goal is to make more Reapers by melting down sapient life. All the crap the kid talks about is bull, and he knows it. That's the point.

No, he states that the reapers are doing this every cycle to prevent chaos between synthetics and organics.

Yes. He does. Please read before quoting.

I agree with Blurr. also umm it uses Synthetics to kill organics. Ask javik about how the Reapers USED synthetics in HIS time, and then look at the geth in ME1- ME3. Ya it's TRYING to stop that.

the conversation is NOT about synthetics vs organics.

Its about the reapers being able to use indcotrination which would mean that they WOULD have found a new solution without needing any cycles at all.

[KevShep]

BleedingUranium wrote...

There is no inherent or inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics. The kid knows that, he's using the lie as a way to manipulate you.

If your refering to the IT then I agree with you.

[masster blaster]

KevShep wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

There is no problem to begin with. It, and it's creators created the problem on themselfs. Leviathans started this whole mess, why because think about it. If the Leviathans could control synthetics, then none of this would have happened, yet it did. Most logic reason why organics vs. Synthetics happened was because the leviathans saw synthetics as a blight to them.

We can see a similar resembalances in the Quaiarians.

Then when the intellegences is created, it only made things worse. It came up with it's stupid logic, and from their on it just repreated the problem in every cycle. The war against synthetics and organics, and the birth of a reaper, what is organic, and synthetic just as one.

I understand what your saying but its not what this is about.

Its about the reapers using indoctrination which means that the reapers could and should have found a way for peace between synthetics and organics through understanding our minds and logic. They would have not even need to do this evey cycle if they thought like we do.

Look the intellegences can't forces Indoctrination on EVERYONE. If it did, then every synthetic, and organic would become like those Salarians in ME1 on Virmire. The person being Indoctrinated has to be willing to let the Reapers in, or the person would become rapid indoctrinated, which would cause high mental deay in days, or weeks.

[Sebby]

iakus wrote...

Lazarus Project

By far one of the most moronic sub-plots in the sequels. It threw any and all credibility of this IP being sci-fi out the window in one fell swoop.

[BleedingUranium]

There's no such thing as new solutions because the problem you're talking about doesn't actually exist.

[BleedingUranium]

Seboist wrote...

iakus wrote...

Lazarus Project

By far one of the most moronic sub-plots in the sequels. It threw any and all credibility of this IP being sci-fi out the window in one fell swoop.

Especially to people who don't bother to research how such things work, like you.

[KevShep]

masster blaster wrote...

KevShep wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

There is no problem to begin with. It, and it's creators created the problem on themselfs. Leviathans started this whole mess, why because think about it. If the Leviathans could control synthetics, then none of this would have happened, yet it did. Most logic reason why organics vs. Synthetics happened was because the leviathans saw synthetics as a blight to them.

We can see a similar resembalances in the Quaiarians.

Then when the intellegences is created, it only made things worse. It came up with it's stupid logic, and from their on it just repreated the problem in every cycle. The war against synthetics and organics, and the birth of a reaper, what is organic, and synthetic just as one.

I understand what your saying but its not what this is about.

Its about the reapers using indoctrination which means that the reapers could and should have found a way for peace between synthetics and organics through understanding our minds and logic. They would have not even need to do this evey cycle if they thought like we do.

Look the intellegences can't forces Indoctrination on EVERYONE. If it did, then every synthetic, and organic would become like those Salarians in ME1 on Virmire. The person being Indoctrinated has to be willing to let the Reapers in, or the person would become rapid indoctrinated, which would cause high mental deay in days, or weeks.

I know I agree with you that it has to be willingly done and unknown to the subject through the reapers suggestions caused by the limbic system.

Like I said, your a little behind on the conversation. We have already talked about what indoctinraiton is and what it does.

[masster blaster]

KevShep wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

KevShep wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

There is no problem to begin with. It, and it's creators created the problem on themselfs. Leviathans started this whole mess, why because think about it. If the Leviathans could control synthetics, then none of this would have happened, yet it did. Most logic reason why organics vs. Synthetics happened was because the leviathans saw synthetics as a blight to them.

We can see a similar resembalances in the Quaiarians.

Then when the intellegences is created, it only made things worse. It came up with it's stupid logic, and from their on it just repreated the problem in every cycle. The war against synthetics and organics, and the birth of a reaper, what is organic, and synthetic just as one.

I understand what your saying but its not what this is about.

Its about the reapers using indoctrination which means that the reapers could and should have found a way for peace between synthetics and organics through understanding our minds and logic. They would have not even need to do this evey cycle if they thought like we do.

Look the intellegences can't forces Indoctrination on EVERYONE. If it did, then every synthetic, and organic would become like those Salarians in ME1 on Virmire. The person being Indoctrinated has to be willing to let the Reapers in, or the person would become rapid indoctrinated, which would cause high mental deay in days, or weeks.

I know I agree with you that it has to be willingly done and unknown to the subject through the reapers suggestions caused by the limbic system.

Like I said, your a little behind on the conversation. We have already talked about what indoctinraiton is and what it does.

That's why I am trying to find out where you, and Blurr are at. If I just post something random that I don't know about, then I will sound stupid. However I am readin back a few pages, and trying to share my opinion on the previous debates.

[KevShep]

masster blaster wrote...

KevShep wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

KevShep wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

There is no problem to begin with. It, and it's creators created the problem on themselfs. Leviathans started this whole mess, why because think about it. If the Leviathans could control synthetics, then none of this would have happened, yet it did. Most logic reason why organics vs. Synthetics happened was because the leviathans saw synthetics as a blight to them.

We can see a similar resembalances in the Quaiarians.

Then when the intellegences is created, it only made things worse. It came up with it's stupid logic, and from their on it just repreated the problem in every cycle. The war against synthetics and organics, and the birth of a reaper, what is organic, and synthetic just as one.

I understand what your saying but its not what this is about.

Its about the reapers using indoctrination which means that the reapers could and should have found a way for peace between synthetics and organics through understanding our minds and logic. They would have not even need to do this evey cycle if they thought like we do.

Look the intellegences can't forces Indoctrination on EVERYONE. If it did, then every synthetic, and organic would become like those Salarians in ME1 on Virmire. The person being Indoctrinated has to be willing to let the Reapers in, or the person would become rapid indoctrinated, which would cause high mental deay in days, or weeks.

I know I agree with you that it has to be willingly done and unknown to the subject through the reapers suggestions caused by the limbic system.

Like I said, your a little behind on the conversation. We have already talked about what indoctinraiton is and what it does.

That's why I am trying to find out where you, and Blurr are at. If I just post something random that I don't know about, then I will sound stupid. However I am readin back a few pages, and trying to share my opinion on the previous debates.

its ok, I understand.

[jmfchuckie]

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

I started my second ME3 walktrough,and just  notice things,things that are wired and unexplained,here is the list
1.They see me rollin...
Rannoch,Destroyer and Shepard who dodges anti-cruiser laser with power of 450 kilotons of TNT,enough said
2.Bullets in ME universe
This is bugging me since ME1,you can see bullet being fired from gun,impact crater and empy shells droping fom Typhoon but you never see soldier putting one single bullet in the gun,really wierd
3.The [/b]Catalyst and The Kid,true form of Catalyst and the Pawns
How did Reapers knowed about Kid and why is he used for hologram of Catalyst.Is Citadel herself Catalyst?Catalyst must have some kind of hardware,and hardware who stores memories of galaxy must be huge.Why Catalyst do not use Pawns for reinforcements of true Reapers?
4.Breathing on citadel
Turians,humans,krogans and salarians do not use same mix of gas for breathing,but on citadel they all walk without masks and inhale same mix,but they can breathe normall

Discuss and contribute to the list:D

1. I believe that we often forget that Shepard is half robot after Mass Effect 2...
2. Ya know, it's the future. It's sci-fi. Weapons in sci-fi has been questioned in tons of media, not just Mass Effect.
3. I think this should have been more developed, but I can't complain. It's meant to be mysterious.
4. Once again, Sci-Fi. They may have made a mix that is okay for all species but has the proper mix for each species...

[masster blaster]

Kev I have a feeling somebody is going to report this thread. Due to IT, and Indoctrination talk that is. So where do you want to chat next with Blurr, and Me?

Both of us are ITers, and I remember, that you visited the IT thread a few times in the past. So might I suggest that posting in the comments on our pofiles, IT group, or the IT forum/ the ME forum in general? Take your pick.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 février 2013 - 04:34 .