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[JamesFaith]

o Ventus wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

And how do you know that it was same sun?

Because unless TIM has an infinite source of H3 to use for fuel (as well as eezo), Cronos isn't  going anywhere. Relay traffic is tracked, as shown by the emails on Liara's computer.

Yet he did it minimally once in books (I'm ignoring the second case in Deception). At the end of Retribution he was looking on BLUE sun.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 07 février 2013 - 06:48 .

[NinjaTurtle12]

How did TIM moved station in books?

[JamesFaith]

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

How did TIM moved station in books?

It was never specified, if station had own engines or they used tow-boats, just that it is mobile and when it moved.

[humes spork]

78stonewobble wrote...

This might allready have been mentioned but regarding the Reaper destroyers cannon...

Actually, this of all things makes the most sense if you know your thermodynamics.

Thanix weapons, and the Reaper weapons from which they're reverse-engineered, are thermal weapons. Their damage is precipitated largely upon conducting massive amounts of heat into the target; the impact force is largely for armor- and barrier-piercing.

Fire such a weapon in vacuum, and you've little problem. The projectile -- and its target when hit -- can only lose heat by way of radiation, while heat conducts through the intended target's structure and continues weakening it over time, especially the longer the weapon is trained on its target (and the more heat is dumped into it).

Firing such a weapon in atmosphere is a whole different bag of cats, since heat can be (very rapidly) conducted and convected away as well, which means such a thermal weapon would be dramatically less effective in an atmosphere than in vacuum since targets can sink heat much faster in atmosphere than in vacuum, perhaps even weaker than a corresponding mass driver the entirety of its destructive power lies in impact force. And to think some of you may wonder why that Alliance cruiser in the prologue had such a slugfest with a Reaper when in later scenes in space they get instagibbed.

Where do Thanix missiles fit in this? Well, if they're anything like contemporary high explosive anti-tank warheads, they have a shaped penetrator charge followed by a secondary charge upon which the weapon relies to actually deal its damage. In this case, the secondary charge would be the "thanix" (i.e. thermal) portion of the weapon, allowing the missile to dump all its heat directly into the target's internal structure opposed to its external armor, thereby circumventing the drawbacks of using thermal weapons in atmosphere; i.e. loss of heat via conduction and convection into the atmosphere.

What about Shepard on Rannoch, and how the protagonist can more or less stand next to a destroyer's cannon shot? A direct hit notwithstanding, with which we can safely assume Shepard is gibbed by impact force alone, body armor in the MEU is made of high-density ceramics. Ceramics, of course, being outstanding thermal insulators. All that Shepard has to worry about is heat transferred through the atmosphere and ground, when they're already wearing a suit of armor that is resistant to heat.

[o Ventus]

JamesFaith wrote...

Yet he did it minimally once in books (I'm ignoring the second case in Deception). At the end of Retribution he was looking on BLUE sun.

Which counters my post how...?

He also looks at a blue star after you blow up the Collector Base. It means nothing.

[-Skorpious-]

•  Cerberus roflcoptering into the Citadel
• Cerberus actually succeeding in said roflcoptering
• Cerberus' sudden influx of trained, combat-ready soldiers pre-sanctuary
• Why the catalyst looked exactly like the Earth-child
• Dreadnaught's in low-orbit
• Why the reapers didn't blockade the relay network
• Why the reapers waited so long to retake the Citadel
• The Geth siding with the reapers despite a strong anti-reaper stance in ME2

and much, much more!

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 07 février 2013 - 09:55 .

[Slashice]

I really hope that this thread will reach the writers, directors and developers. Fixing these stuffs or at least explaining why it is happened as it is in ME3 would be really really nice! I'm not giving up hope, after all they fixed the Deception novel aswell. So fingers crossed!

[Maxster_]

humes spork wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

This might allready have been mentioned but regarding the Reaper destroyers cannon...

Actually, this of all things makes the most sense if you know your thermodynamics.

Thanix weapons, and the Reaper weapons from which they're reverse-engineered, are thermal weapons. Their damage is precipitated largely upon conducting massive amounts of heat into the target; the impact force is largely for armor- and barrier-piercing.

This is false.
Thanix weapons is a kinetic weapon, with heat bonus damage.
link

The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten
suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The
molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of
light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with
enough force to pierce any known shield or armor. The gun can fire
reliably every five seconds. The weapon's relatively small size allows
it to be mounted on most fighters or frigates, including the Normandy SR-2, and gives them firepower rivaling cruisers.

and
link

Normandy Weapon Upgrade: Thanix Magnetic-Hydrodynamic Weapon Following the Battle of the Citadel,
human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey
effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian
Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology
recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship
Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a
directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an
electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy
that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of
molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys
targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix,
their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire
reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but
mountable on a fighter or frigate.

Main source of thanix weapons damage is kinetic energy.

Fire such a weapon in vacuum, and you've little problem. The projectile -- and its target when hit -- can only lose heat by way of radiation, while heat conducts through the intended target's structure and continues weakening it over time, especially the longer the weapon is trained on its target (and the more heat is dumped into it).

Firing such a weapon in atmosphere is a whole different bag of cats, since heat can be (very rapidly) conducted and convected away as well, which means such a thermal weapon would be dramatically less effective in an atmosphere than in vacuum since targets can sink heat much faster in atmosphere than in vacuum, perhaps even weaker than a corresponding mass driver the entirety of its destructive power lies in impact force. And to think some of you may wonder why that Alliance cruiser in the prologue had such a slugfest with a Reaper when in later scenes in space they get instagibbed.

This is nonsense, based on a false statement.

Where do Thanix missiles fit in this? Well, if they're anything like contemporary high explosive anti-tank warheads, they have a shaped penetrator charge followed by a secondary charge upon which the weapon relies to actually deal its damage. In this case, the secondary charge would be the "thanix" (i.e. thermal) portion of the weapon, allowing the missile to dump all its heat directly into the target's internal structure opposed to its external armor, thereby circumventing the drawbacks of using thermal weapons in atmosphere; i.e. loss of heat via conduction and convection into the atmosphere.

"Thanix missile" is nothing more than lore-butchering nonsense.
Final kinetic energy of the projectile depends on it's mass, acceleration, and time spent accelerating. And time spent accelerating is relative to a length of a barrel. Because inside barrel, there is mass effect field that lowers mass of the projectile, and electromagnetic acceleration.
Therefore, a "Thanix Missile" is a flying mass accelerator with eezo, which impact energy is lower than main gun of a Mako.
Not only that utterly stupid, it is impractical and cost ineffective, especially when shots from ME guns can not be intercepted(due to speed) and missiles easily could.

What about Shepard on Rannoch, and how the protagonist can more or less stand next to a destroyer's cannon shot? A direct hit notwithstanding, with which we can safely assume Shepard is gibbed by impact force alone, body armor in the MEU is made of high-density ceramics. Ceramics, of course, being outstanding thermal insulators. All that Shepard has to worry about is heat transferred through the atmosphere and ground, when they're already wearing a suit of armor that is resistant to heat.

False conclusion, based on false data, and pure nonsense.

[Maxster_]

-Skorpious- wrote...

•  Cerberus roflcoptering into the Citadel
• Cerberus actually succeeding in said roflcoptering
• Cerberus' sudden influx of trained, combat-ready soldiers pre-sanctuary
• Why the catalyst looked exactly like the Earth-child
• Dreadnaught's in low-orbit
• Why the reapers didn't blockade the relay network
• Why the reapers waited so long to retake the Citadel
• The Geth siding with the reapers despite a strong anti-reaper stance in ME2

and much, much more!

Ah yes, ME3. The gift that keep on giving.

Modifié par Maxster_, 07 février 2013 - 10:01 .

[Maxster_]

Slashice wrote...

I really hope that this thread will reach the writers, directors and developers. Fixing these stuffs or at least explaining why it is happened as it is in ME3 would be really really nice! I'm not giving up hope, after all they fixed the Deception novel aswell. So fingers crossed!

Not going to happen.

[N7Gold]

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

I started my second ME3 walktrough,and just  notice things,things that are wired and unexplained,here is the list
1.They see me rollin...
Rannoch,Destroyer and Shepard who dodges anti-cruiser laser with power of 450 kilotons of TNT,enough said
2.Bullets in ME universe
This is bugging me since ME1,you can see bullet being fired from gun,impact crater and empy shells droping fom Typhoon but you never see soldier putting one single bullet in the gun,really wierd
3.The [/b]Catalyst and The Kid,true form of Catalyst and the Pawns
How did Reapers knowed about Kid and why is he used for hologram of Catalyst.Is Citadel herself Catalyst?Catalyst must have some kind of hardware,and hardware who stores memories of galaxy must be huge.Why Catalyst do not use Pawns for reinforcements of true Reapers?
4.Breathing on citadel
Turians,humans,krogans and salarians do not use same mix of gas for breathing,but on citadel they all walk without masks and inhale same mix,but they can breathe normall

Discuss and contribute to the list:D

2. In the Mass Effect universe, bullets are as small as a grain of sand, the bullets are shaved off a mass accelerator in guns to increase velocity so that the bullet can do as much damage as the bullets we use today. meaning reloading bullets are unlimited, they aren't the issue of reloading anymore. Back in the first Mass Effect game, guns didn't use thermal clips at first, but if you you don't stop shooting to let the gun cool down, the gun will overheat and it will take much more time to wait for the gun to cool down before it overheats. Bullets being shaved off a mass accelerator in guns generate heat. In Mass Effect 2, thermal clips were invented. Now you don't have to wait for the gun to cool down, but there's a downside. When a thermal clip doesn't have anymore room to hold heat, it has to be ejected. Without thermal clips, you have nothing for the gun to disperse its heat into, and because of that, the gun won't fire a single bullet unless you reload a new thermal clip.


3. That's something that hasn't been explained fully yet. Obviously the Catalyst took the form of the kid to play mind games on Shepard.

4. I know that volus breathe methane gas, which is one reason why they wear their suits, but I was never aware of or heard  that turians, humans and krogans breathe different types of air.  A misunderstanding on your part. 

Modifié par N7Gold, 07 février 2013 - 10:09 .

[NinjaTurtle12]

Something I do not understand about Leviathans,how did they spread throughout the galaxy without Mass relays(they are buid by the Reapers)

[Maxster_]

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Something I do not understand about Leviathans,how did they spread throughout the galaxy without Mass relays(they are buid by the Reapers)

Well, with maps of the galaxy and some infrastructure(and|or specially designed ships) - it is possible using standart FTL.
And  maps could be got from minions ordered with task of exploring the galaxy.

Anyway, seeing how retarded leviathans actually are - that is doubtful.
Their spread throughout the galaxy just... happened. Because. Don't ask for explanations.

[NinjaTurtle12]

Maxster_ wrote...

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Something I do not understand about Leviathans,how did they spread throughout the galaxy without Mass relays(they are buid by the Reapers)

Well, with maps of the galaxy and some infrastructure(and|or specially designed ships) - it is possible using standart FTL.
And  maps could be got from minions ordered with task of exploring the galaxy.

Anyway, seeing how retarded leviathans actually are - that is doubtful.
Their spread throughout the galaxy just... happened. Because. Don't ask for explanations.

Is possible to implant FTL drives intro organic Leviathans?It sound crazy

[humes spork]

Maxster_ wrote...

This is false.

http://masseffect.wi...ps_and_Vehicles

Emphasis mine.

ME2 codex entry:

...Rather, its massive element zero core powered an electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys targets by impact force and irresistible heat.

ME3 codex entry:

The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor. The gun can fire reliably every five seconds.

Are we done here?

This is nonsense, based on a false statement.

Actually, no, the statement to which you respond here isn't dependent upon the truth-value of my statement. Even if we accept your assertions as complete, inexorable truth, you still concede thanix weapons still have a thermal component...a component which is correspondingly less effective in atmosphere, because atmosphere provides a medium for heat transfer that does not exist in vacuum.

False conclusion, based on false data, and pure nonsense.

From the codex entry on body armor, again emphasis mine:

http://masseffect.wi...ment#Body_Armor

The inner layer consists of fabric armor with kinetic padding. Areas that don't need to be flexible, such as the chest or shins, are reinforced with sheets of lightweight ablative ceramic...Armored hard-suits are sealable to protect the wearer from extremes of temperature and atmosphere.

Modifié par humes spork, 07 février 2013 - 11:17 .

[CynicalShep]

o Ventus wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Yet he did it minimally once in books (I'm ignoring the second case in Deception). At the end of Retribution he was looking on BLUE sun.

Which counters my post how...?

He also looks at a blue star after you blow up the Collector Base. It means nothing.

The color of the star in-game only depends on your alignment. Apparently if you kick kittens the star turns red and if you pet them it turns blue. Don't ask, don't tell. 

[JamesFaith]

o Ventus wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Yet he did it minimally once in books (I'm ignoring the second case in Deception). At the end of Retribution he was looking on BLUE sun.

Which counters my post how...?

He also looks at a blue star after you blow up the Collector Base. It means nothing.

You said - TIM's station can't move.

Book said - TIM's station moved from red giant to blue star.

See that difference between your claim and lore source (book) now?

[Maxster_]

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Something I do not understand about Leviathans,how did they spread throughout the galaxy without Mass relays(they are buid by the Reapers)

Well, with maps of the galaxy and some infrastructure(and|or specially designed ships) - it is possible using standart FTL.
And  maps could be got from minions ordered with task of exploring the galaxy.

Anyway, seeing how retarded leviathans actually are - that is doubtful.
Their spread throughout the galaxy just... happened. Because. Don't ask for explanations.

Is possible to implant FTL drives intro organic Leviathans?It sound crazy

????
Just build for them appropriate ships. With FTL.

[NinjaTurtle12]

Maxster_ wrote...

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Something I do not understand about Leviathans,how did they spread throughout the galaxy without Mass relays(they are buid by the Reapers)

Well, with maps of the galaxy and some infrastructure(and|or specially designed ships) - it is possible using standart FTL.
And  maps could be got from minions ordered with task of exploring the galaxy.

Anyway, seeing how retarded leviathans actually are - that is doubtful.
Their spread throughout the galaxy just... happened. Because. Don't ask for explanations.

Is possible to implant FTL drives intro organic Leviathans?It sound crazy

????
Just build for them appropriate ships. With FTL.

Codex says nothing about their ships

[Indy_S]

I thought the slaves built the Leviathan's ships. I can provide no source for that so it might be wrong.

[Maxster_]

[quote]humes spork wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

This is false.[/quote]
http://masseffect.wi...ps_and_Vehicles

Emphasis mine.

ME2 codex entry:
[quote]...Rather, its massive element zero core powered an electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys targets by impact force and irresistible heat.[/quote]
ME3 codex entry:
[quote]The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor. The gun can fire reliably every five seconds.[/quote]
Are we done here?
[/quote]
No, we are not.
[quote]
[quote]This is nonsense, based on a false statement.[/quote]
Actually, no, the statement to which you respond here isn't dependent upon the truth-value of my statement. Even if we accept your assertions as complete, inexorable truth, you still concede thanix weapons still have a thermal component...a component which is correspondingly less effective in atmosphere, because atmosphere provides a medium for heat transfer that does not exist in vacuum.
[/quote]
It of course doesn't matter, because reapers kinetic weapons(Thanix cannon), main guns in that context - are much more powerful than SA or others dreadnoughts guns. Like 130-450 kt TNT impact explosions.
Heat component is insignificant, especially with tungsten-iron-uranium alloys, which melting temperature is less than 3600K(for tungsten).
Therefore, even if heat damage is reduced, it simply does not matter.
I guess that heat component is somehow helps to partially bypass kinetic shields.
And given the speed of projectile, which is 4000km/s for SA dreadnought main gun(for reapers it is obviously higher), entire lower amosphere is bypassed in far less than 1 second.
[quote]
[quote]False conclusion, based on false data, and pure nonsense.[/quote]
From the codex entry on body armor, again emphasis mine:

http://masseffect.wi...ment#Body_Armor
[quote]The inner layer consists of fabric armor with kinetic padding. Areas that don't need to be flexible, such as the chest or shins, are reinforced with sheets of lightweight ablative ceramic...Armored hard-suits are sealable to protect the wearer from extremes of temperature and atmosphere.[/quote][/quote]
That's just pathetic.
How does relate defense from energy weapons(heat included) to a kinetic impact weapons? It does not.


So, back for your post, and why your conclusion is false.
[quote]

Thanix weapons, and the Reaper weapons from which they're reverse-engineered, are thermal
weapons.
[/quote]
False statement.
[quote]
Their damage is precipitated largely upon conducting massive
amounts of heat into the target; the impact force is largely for armor-
and barrier-piercing.
[/quote]
False statement.
[quote]
Fire such a weapon in vacuum, and you've little problem. The projectile -- and its target when hit
-- can only lose heat by way of radiation, while heat conducts through
the intended target's structure and continues weakening it over time,
especially the longer the weapon is trained on its target (and the more
heat is dumped into it).
[/quote]
False conclusion based on false statements.

[quote]
Firing such a weapon in atmosphere is a
whole different bag of cats, since heat can be (very rapidly) conducted
and convected away as well, which means such a thermal weapon would be
dramatically less effective in an atmosphere than in vacuum since
targets can sink heat much faster in atmosphere than in vacuum, perhaps
even weaker than a corresponding mass driver the entirety of its
destructive power lies in impact force.
[/quote]
False conclusion. Thanix is not a thermal weapon, heat damage is insignificant compared to impact impulse.
[quote]
And to think some of you may
wonder why that Alliance cruiser in the prologue had such a slugfest
with a Reaper when in later scenes in space they get instagibbed.
[/quote]
Lore errors and lore-butchering nonsense of ME3, which is full of it - is unrelated to a topic.
[quote]
Where
do Thanix missiles fit in this? Well, if they're anything like
contemporary high explosive anti-tank warheads, they have a shaped
penetrator charge followed by a secondary charge upon which the weapon
relies to actually deal its damage. In this case, the secondary charge
would be the "thanix" (i.e. thermal) portion of the weapon, allowing the
missile to dump all its heat directly into the target's internal
structure opposed to its external armor, thereby circumventing the
drawbacks of using thermal weapons in atmosphere; i.e. loss of heat via
conduction and convection into the atmosphere.
[/quote]
That is failed attempt of justification of that lore-butchering nonsense, which is "thanix missile".

[quote]
What about Shepard
on Rannoch, and how the protagonist can more or less stand next to a
destroyer's cannon shot? A direct hit notwithstanding, with which we can
safely assume Shepard is gibbed by impact force alone, body armor in
the MEU is made of high-density ceramics. Ceramics, of course, being
outstanding thermal insulators. All that Shepard has to worry about is
heat transferred through the atmosphere and ground, when they're already
wearing a suit of armor that is resistant to heat.[/quote]
False conclusion based on false statements.

[Maxster_]

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

NinjaTurtle12 wrote...

Something I do not understand about Leviathans,how did they spread throughout the galaxy without Mass relays(they are buid by the Reapers)

Well, with maps of the galaxy and some infrastructure(and|or specially designed ships) - it is possible using standart FTL.
And  maps could be got from minions ordered with task of exploring the galaxy.

Anyway, seeing how retarded leviathans actually are - that is doubtful.
Their spread throughout the galaxy just... happened. Because. Don't ask for explanations.

Is possible to implant FTL drives intro organic Leviathans?It sound crazy

????
Just build for them appropriate ships. With FTL.

Codex says nothing about their ships

Well, i already said, that given nowadays Bioware's attention to details, lore, common sense, coherence and consistance of story - it just happened. Because reasons.
Just accept that

[Kabooooom]

Well, with maps of the galaxy and some infrastructure(and|or specially designed ships) - it is possible using standart FTL.
And maps could be got from minions ordered with task of exploring the galaxy.

You wouldn't even need a map, actually. For example, if the Quarians had to make an epic, Battlestar Galactica-esque journey back to Rannoch in the Destroy ending, they would need to know the location of Rannoch relative to Earth or, even easier, the star cluster that it is in. That's enough.

Obviously, if you had a map of every single star in the god damned galaxy and every planet in orbit around them it would make the journey a veritable cakewalk, but less than 1% of the galaxy has been explored (and the relay network probably covers less than 1% anyways, realistically). But even without a map, you could still make the journey.

It would require very carefully plotting your course - picking stars with a high likelihood of having gas giants with a suitable magnetic field for drive discharge and Helium-3 recovery for fuel. The sheer fact that you are making a journey into the unknown makes it highly dangerous, as there remains the possibility that you could accidentally wind up in a system with no such suitable planets, and you fry your entire ship. Splitting up the fleet into smaller ones that take different routes may decrease the chances of catastrophic failure, in that regard.

But, it is certainly doable without a map. It is reasonable to conclude that a species like the Leviathans could have easily spread throughout the galaxy pre-relay network.

[Maxster_]

Kabooooom wrote...

Well, with maps of the galaxy and some infrastructure(and|or specially designed ships) - it is possible using standart FTL.
And maps could be got from minions ordered with task of exploring the galaxy.

You wouldn't even need a map, actually. For example, if the Quarians had to make an epic, Battlestar Galactica-esque journey back to Rannoch in the Destroy ending, they would need to know the location of Rannoch relative to Earth or, even easier, the star cluster that it is in. That's enough.

Obviously, if you had a map of every single star in the god damned galaxy and every planet in orbit around them it would make the journey a veritable cakewalk, but less than 1% of the galaxy has been explored (and the relay network probably covers less than 1% anyways, realistically). But even without a map, you could still make the journey.

It would require very carefully plotting your course - picking stars with a high likelihood of having gas giants with a suitable magnetic field for drive discharge and Helium-3 recovery for fuel. The sheer fact that you are making a journey into the unknown makes it highly dangerous, as there remains the possibility that you could accidentally wind up in a system with no such suitable planets, and you fry your entire ship. Splitting up the fleet into smaller ones that take different routes may decrease the chances of catastrophic failure, in that regard.

But, it is certainly doable without a map. It is reasonable to conclude that a species like the Leviathans could have easily spread throughout the galaxy pre-relay network.

Yeah, you right. Good post, with a lot of details
But i don't think leviathans would be content with even a minor failures, being an apex race, and i think they would not like losing their own people when it is avoidable. That's why i mentioned maps.
Anyway, that is, of course, a pure speculation.

Also, it is not obvious, that galaxy was explored when leviathans were spreading throughout it. From where could they get that data(1% of the galaxy explored, and location of suitable worlds) if they were not exploring?
Either they sent minions for exploration, or flew themselves(taking risk), or doing exploration and settling at the same time(even more risk).
Basically, if they boldly walk into unexplored, that journey have no end point.

[Indy_S]

With the logic of the Leviathans, I'm sure they just made robots to probe out space. Those probes would eventually lead to the death of their creators when they boomerang and hit them in the face.