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[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...


I talk about what I see in game, and it's not an interpretation.

Puzzle Theory is an interpretation, the one looks like IT or SaveThane, and №2 to be moved to groups.

You can't get game final and titles by shooting the hologram/vision forever.

Refusal speech is a speech of scared and selfish person, who wants to prove somene that he is "not scared" and "not selfish". In other words - Refusal is the most pathetic ultimate mission failure in game development history.

That´s like saying that every single person whoich oppose to inevitable evil is pathetic moron... gratulation sir, you´re full of bs...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 06 février 2013 - 10:57 .

[Jadebaby]

It takes more courage to stand up for your ideals in face of utter destruction than it does in any other ending, scared? LMAO!

Also, the fact that Refuse ending has a stargazer scene proves it's just that, an ending. Titles or achievements are completely irrelevant to the in-game plot. And the fact that the stargazer scene is so different from any other ending, makes it more unique than the other three endings...

And of course it's an interpretation (see; incompetent fool).

I wont let you get the better of me troll, so I will refrain from going there and be done with you now,

I would bid you good day, but I wouldn't mean it anyway.

Modifié par Jadebaby, 06 février 2013 - 11:00 .

[Steelcan]

Jadebaby wrote...

It takes more courage to stand up for your ideals in face of utter destruction than it does in any other ending, scared? LMAO!

. In the face if galactic annihilation "morality and ethics" aren't just sidestepped, they should be tossed out the window.

[Applepie_Svk]

Steelcan wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

It takes more courage to stand up for your ideals in face of utter destruction than it does in any other ending, scared? LMAO!

. In the face if galactic annihilation "morality and ethics" aren't just sidestepped, they should be tossed out the window.

without metagaming taking a Catalyst´s offer seriously is like taking seriously guy luring little kids into the van with candies...

[humes spork]

Fredvdp wrote...

I want to learn why previous generations bothered building the Crucible if they knew they couldn't deploy it, or even build it, since everyone was isolated....

Perhaps the same reason the Crucible was built in ME3, desperation? More compelling is the question of how previous cycles learned of the Crucible's existence, given not every cycle can be counted upon to have a ambiguously benevolent precursor. All it would have taken is for one cycle's species to not have the Protheans' foresight or generosity...or for one cycle's species to have had extreme foresight in building "dark" facilities, or IES-equipped generation ships, and being capable of survivng the harvest thereby.

The entire concept is premised upon each cycle being unassuming enough to fall into the Reapers' trap without any sort of redundancy in ensuring continuity of life, yet smart enough to perpetuate some knowledge of themselves to impart to the next, while the Reapers remain just diligent and efficient enough to leave just that much information to perpetuate the Crucible but nothing else. Which is why my personal speculations! is the Catalyst originally built the damn thing in the first place and the cycle and Crucible itself is a test.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

It takes more courage to stand up for your ideals in face of utter destruction than it does in any other ending, scared? LMAO!

. In the face if galactic annihilation "morality and ethics" aren't just sidestepped, they should be tossed out the window.

without metagaming taking a Catalyst´s offer seriously is like taking seriously guy luring little kids into the van with candies...

The apple speaks truth.

[Seival]

Jadebaby wrote...

It takes more courage to stand up for your ideals in face of utter destruction than it does in any other ending, scared? LMAO!

Also, the fact that Refuse ending has a stargazer scene proves it's just that, an ending. Titles or achievements are completely irrelevant to the in-game plot. And the fact that the stargazer scene is so different from any other ending, makes it more unique than the other three endings...

And of course it's an interpretation (see; incompetent fool).

I wont let you get the better of me troll, so I will refrain from going there and be done with you now,

I would bid you good day, but I wouldn't mean it anyway.

No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

EDIT: If Refusal really has Stargazer Scene, then it should be reported as a bug.

Modifié par Seival, 06 février 2013 - 11:15 .

[Steelcan]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

It takes more courage to stand up for your ideals in face of utter destruction than it does in any other ending, scared? LMAO!

. In the face if galactic annihilation "morality and ethics" aren't just sidestepped, they should be tossed out the window.

without metagaming taking a Catalyst´s offer seriously is like taking seriously guy luring little kids into the van with candies...

. We already knew Destroy was possible, Control debatably so.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

. Your Shepard decided to enslave the galaxy.

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

Lot of crap going this link... people running in panic from their fears would do everything to save their lives even colaborate to side of enemy, from the other hand refusing to colaborate or to be captured means to face the consequences even the doomsday´s ones. I guess someone doesn´t take attention to human history as much to human behavior and ME lore...

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...
 We already knew Destroy was possible, Control debatably so.

We assumed destory was possible, noone knew exactly how or in what way the Crucible actually works until it's plugged in, even it's questionable if the thing is functioning as intended.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 06 février 2013 - 11:21 .

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

. Your Shepard decided to enslave the galaxy.

I prefer Paragon Control. It's not about enslavement.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

. Your Shepard decided to enslave the galaxy.

I prefer Paragon Control. It's not about enslavement.

. It's about forcing the galaxy into synthesis complete with ghettos, my mistake

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

. Your Shepard decided to enslave the galaxy.

I prefer Paragon Control. It's not about enslavement.

You enslave the Reapers, but sure, it's not about enslavment, it's about hubris, and ego. 

[CoolioThane]

seival, you know IT is true. Just accept it

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...
No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

EDIT: If Refusal really has Stargazer Scene, then it should be reported as a bug.

Can't be a bug, you see as the scene has a very different narrator, space gramp is gone, the scene is unique compared to the others, so it is a valid ending.
Feel free to try and report it as a bug though, I'm curious as to how far that'll get you.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 06 février 2013 - 11:22 .

[Seival]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

EDIT: If Refusal really has Stargazer Scene, then it should be reported as a bug.

Lot of crap going this link... people running in panic from their fears would do everything to save their lives even colaborate to side of enemy, from the other hand refusing to colaborate or to be captured means to face the consequences even the doomsday´s ones. I guess someone doesn´t take attention to human history as much to human behavior and ME lore...

People may do many different stupid things while panic. Panic is not always about running away and saving your life. Refusal ending is perfect example of that.

[essarr71]

CoolioThane wrote...

seival, you know IT is true. Just accept it

IT thread. Reported. 

[k.lalh]

Just thought I would chime in here. Depending on what kind of play through I go for, my Shepard either chooses Destroy or Refusal.

I choose destroy, because I don't believe in what the Intelligence says in terms of synthesis is the "be all; end all" solution to all our problems. I came there to blow up Reapers, I will blow up Reapers.

However, I think refuse a powerful message. Something about standing true to your honour and morals. I personally see refuse is an idealist decision, whereas Destroy is very pragmatic. I think of myself as a pragmatist, so Javik's one line struck a chord with me: "Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."

So I generally favour destroy, but refuse makes a powerful statement.

Control and Synthesis would go against everything my Shepard, and myself personally, stand for.

[Steelcan]

essarr71 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

seival, you know IT is true. Just accept it

IT thread. Reported. 

. Reported for reporting

[The Night Mammoth]

CoolioThane wrote...

seival, you know IT is true. Just accept it

IT is a pathetic crutch for the weak minded. 

Oh sorry, I think Seival indoctrinated me for a minute there, made me ignore the hypocrisy in decrying IT as silly, whilst Seival makes like a dozen threads detailing ever more insane theories of his own. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 06 février 2013 - 11:31 .

[humes spork]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

without metagaming taking a Catalyst´s offer seriously is like taking seriously guy luring little kids into the van with candies...

Don't make me dig out my old forum post and payoff matrix images that break down the Catalyst's position, Shepard's position, and why the Catalyst ought to be taken seriously for having spoken to Shepard in the first place.

[essarr71]

Steelcan wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

seival, you know IT is true. Just accept it

IT thread. Reported. 

. Reported for reporting

 
Should have said "no backsies". 

[4stringwizard]

Interesting how this discussion turned out, lol. And for the record, I'm not one of those people who's going to lose their minds if this DLC isn't an ending-changer. Rather, I'm just forming a theory based off what I've seen.

[TheRealJayDee]

Jadebaby wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...
love this.,

Allow me to explain;

people see what they want to see.

If you'd like me to elaborate more on that, I'd be happy too.

Well, I'm not sure I don't mean the same thing with my smiley as you did with your comment, but nevertheless - would you please elaborate, just to definitely rule out misunderstandings?! 

[shhhh - the dark truth is that I just love to hear you talk ]