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[Seival]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...
No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

EDIT: If Refusal really has Stargazer Scene, then it should be reported as a bug.

Can't be a bug, you see as the scene has a very different narrator, space gramp is gone, the scene is unique compared to the others, so it is a valid ending.
Feel free to try and report it as a bug though, I'm curious as to how far that'll get you.

Other Civilization on a brink of extinction. People, who completely unprepared to what is already coming their way. The proof that after Refusal all subsequent Civilizations have no hope to stop the Cycles... Untill the Catalyst will find another anomaly like Shepard, who will not fear to chose Control, Synthesis, or Destroy.

In other words - one more proof that Refuser Shepard caused nothing but trillions of pointless deaths instead of choosing something that someone will choose in the future anyway.

...No, I think I will not report that as a bug. This scene works as intended.

Modifié par Seival, 06 février 2013 - 11:35 .

[chidingewe8036]

i love all of you but.........

- the final dlc will fail

- ME4 or whatever they decide to call it will not sale

- ME5 or whatever they decide to call it will be cancelled

I'm telling u guys Mass Effect will go the same way Force Unleased and Knights of The Old Republic went. They created 1 great game then a mediocre game then they cancel the rest, in this case Mass Effect created 2 great games one game that was half good with a really really really bad ending then they will create a totally mediocre game that will barely sale because of the last game's really bad trilogy ending, get crappy reviews and then cancel the rest of the new series.

It is just inevitable die hard Mass Effect lovers and ME3 Ending lovers can deny it all they want, it is just the way of things you guys have been playing video games long enough to know this. Mass Effect is done, Bioware shot themselves in the foot with ME3 they can deny it and attempt to justify it all they want, nobody not even themselves were born yesterday.

[Fur28]

essarr71 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

seival, you know IT is true. Just accept it

IT thread. Reported. 

one random post and the whole thread is IT?
wow<_<
edit: LOVE MY SIGNATURE

Modifié par Fur28, 06 février 2013 - 11:37 .

[CoolioThane]

Seival, you need to take a good, hard look at yourself.

Look at yourself...IT

[Nightwriter]

Here, take my pity.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...
No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

EDIT: If Refusal really has Stargazer Scene, then it should be reported as a bug.

Can't be a bug, you see as the scene has a very different narrator, space gramp is gone, the scene is unique compared to the others, so it is a valid ending.
Feel free to try and report it as a bug though, I'm curious as to how far that'll get you.

Other Civilization on a brink of extinction. People, who completely unprepared to what is already coming their way. The proof that after Refusal all subsequent Civilizations have no hope to stop the Cycles... Untill the Catalyst will find another anomaly like Shepard, who will not fear to chose Control, Synthesis, or Destroy.

In other words - one more proof that Refuser Shepard caused nothing but trillions of pointless deaths instead of choosing something that someone will choose in the future anyway.

...No, I think I will not report that as a bug. This scene works as intended.

Except the cycles do stop, it says as much.

[AlanC9]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 We already knew Destroy was possible, Control debatably so.

We assumed destory was possible, noone knew exactly how or in what way the Crucible actually works until it's plugged in, even it's questionable if the thing is functioning as intended.

Pretty much. And Bio went way out of their way to point out that whatever the Crucible did was going to be weird.

Modifié par AlanC9, 06 février 2013 - 11:38 .

[AlanC9]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

Other Civilization on a brink of extinction. People, who completely unprepared to what is already coming their way. The proof that after Refusal all subsequent Civilizations have no hope to stop the Cycles... Untill the Catalyst will find another anomaly like Shepard, who will not fear to chose Control, Synthesis, or Destroy.

In other words - one more proof that Refuser Shepard caused nothing but trillions of pointless deaths instead of choosing something that someone will choose in the future anyway.

...No, I think I will not report that as a bug. This scene works as intended.

Except the cycles do stop, it says as much.

Yeah, Liara saves the next cycle after Shepard fails to save this one. There's no other sensible way to read the scene. I'm not quite sure what Seival's getting at.

[Steelcan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...
Other Civilization on a brink of extinction. People, who completely unprepared to what is already coming their way. The proof that after Refusal all subsequent Civilizations have no hope to stop the Cycles... Untill the Catalyst will find another anomaly like Shepard, who will not fear to chose Control, Synthesis, or Destroy.

In other words - one more proof that Refuser Shepard caused nothing but trillions of pointless deaths instead of choosing something that someone will choose in the future anyway.

...No, I think I will not report that as a bug. This scene works as intended.

Except the cycles do stop, it says as much.

Yeah, Liara saves the next cycle after Shepard fails to save this one. There's no other sensible way to read the scene. I'm not quite sure what Seival's getting at.

. If you find out let me know

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival's the catalyst's number one fan(he's very subtle about it I know), anything that suggests our glowing chum is unnecessary makes him uncomfortable.

[Seival]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...
No, Jade. Refusal is nothing, but allowing the panic to go deeper into your brain.

What really takes courage is to put your ideals aside for the greater good. Does your Shepard have real courage? No, he doesn't, because he has chosen Refusal.

EDIT: If Refusal really has Stargazer Scene, then it should be reported as a bug.

Can't be a bug, you see as the scene has a very different narrator, space gramp is gone, the scene is unique compared to the others, so it is a valid ending.
Feel free to try and report it as a bug though, I'm curious as to how far that'll get you.

Other Civilization on a brink of extinction. People, who completely unprepared to what is already coming their way. The proof that after Refusal all subsequent Civilizations have no hope to stop the Cycles... Untill the Catalyst will find another anomaly like Shepard, who will not fear to chose Control, Synthesis, or Destroy.

In other words - one more proof that Refuser Shepard caused nothing but trillions of pointless deaths instead of choosing something that someone will choose in the future anyway.

...No, I think I will not report that as a bug. This scene works as intended.

Except the cycles do stop, it says as much.

Yes, the Catalyst will find smarter Shepard one day eventually. But how many Cycles will pass till that day?

Even if the Catalyst will find another anomaly in the next Cycle, the choices will remain the same. Which already means that Shepard wasted galactic civilization for nothing, while he had the opportunity to stop the Cycles himself.

[TJBartlemus]

Fur28 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

seival, you know IT is true. Just accept it

IT thread. Reported. 

one random post and the whole thread is IT?
wow<_<
edit: LOVE MY SIGNATURE

*facepalm* Give it a rest. It is most certainly not a IT thread. <_< 

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Yes, the Catalyst will find smarter Shepard one day eventually. But how many Cycles will pass till that day?

Even if the Catalyst will find another anomaly in the next Cycle, the choices will remain the same. Which already means that Shepard wasted galactic civilization for nothing, while he had the opportunity to stop the Cycles himself.

. Yep the end to the cycles was half a thermal clip and 20 paces to the right.

[kal_reegar]

Refusal is a combination of selfishness and cold blood.

The catalyst is clear: "his solution won't work anymore". Reapers are done, not matter what.
The catalyst says it explicitly, and the female stargazer explicitly confirms it: "reapers are no longer a threat."

So, a rational and passionless Shepard can easily realize that, despite the appearences, HE HAS WON. War is over. Mission accomplished. Reapers-> kapput, just a matter of time.

So:
a) IF his only goal was stopping the reapers (not "saving the galaxy" "making the world a better place" etc: just stopping the damn reapers)
IF he cares only about his morality, and his LI/friends/races are much less important than his precious honor
-> refuse is the right choice.

It's actually a badass choiche, if knowingly done.

Of course if you pick refuse just because you want to say "f**k off" to the spoiled starbrat, it's somehow pathetic..

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...
Yes, the Catalyst will find smarter Shepard one day eventually. But how many Cycles will pass till that day?

Even if the Catalyst will find another anomaly in the next Cycle, the choices will remain the same. Which already means that Shepard wasted galactic civilization for nothing, while he had the opportunity to stop the Cycles himself.

Just our cycle. Catalyst is dead, the info passed down by Liara helped stop the Reapers.

TL;DR:
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[TJBartlemus]

Seival wrote...

Yes, the Catalyst will find smarter Shepard one day eventually. But how many Cycles will pass till that day?

Even if the Catalyst will find another anomaly in the next Cycle, the choices will remain the same. Which already means that Shepard wasted galactic civilization for nothing, while he had the opportunity to stop the Cycles himself.

 No part of Refuse implies that they used the Crucible and/or made any of the choices presented to Shepard. (ex. Destroy, Control, Synthesis) If you may remember, Liara actually says the Crucible didn't work. So if Refuse implies anything, it appears to be the only choice in which a cycle wins conventionally.

 

[Seival]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...
Yes, the Catalyst will find smarter Shepard one day eventually. But how many Cycles will pass till that day?

Even if the Catalyst will find another anomaly in the next Cycle, the choices will remain the same. Which already means that Shepard wasted galactic civilization for nothing, while he had the opportunity to stop the Cycles himself.

Just our cycle. Catalyst is dead, the info passed down by Liara helped stop the Reapers.

By creating and attaching the Crucible, talking to the Catalyst and choosing Control, Synthesis, or Destroy. There are no other ways to stop the Cycles. Conventional victory is impossible. Galactic civilizations don't have time/abilities to become as advanced and numerous as Reapers...

...Yes, tell me they have enough time and abilities... Do you know what would happen in this case? The Reapers will arrive into the Dead Galaxy swarmed by overpowered synthetics built by the galactic civilization. Organic life will gone forever.

Refusal is a waste of lives, triggered by a madman.

Modifié par Seival, 07 février 2013 - 12:08 .

[spirosz]

Seival wrote...

Organic life will gone forever.

The leaps you are making are outstanding.  

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

By creating and attaching the Crucible, talking to the Catalyst and choosing Control, Synthesis, or Destroy. There are no other ways to stop the Cycles. Conventional victory is impossible. Galactic civilizations don't have time/abilities to become as advanced and numerous as Reapers...

...Yes, tell me they have enough time and abilities... Do you know what would happen in this case? The Reapers will arrive into the Dead Galaxy swarmed by overpowered synthetics built by the galactic civilization. Organic life will gone forever.

. Conventional victory WAS impossible.  If they had tens of thousands of years to prepare I think they could do it.  The Reapers' biggest weapon is surprise.

And there is ZERO proof for the Catalyst's claim that Organics WILL be destroyed by synthetics. 

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Organic life will gone forever.

The leaps you are making are outstanding.  

. Because robots would exterminate every last bacterium.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

By creating and attaching the Crucible, talking to the Catalyst and choosing Control, Synthesis, or Destroy. There are no other ways to stop the Cycles. Conventional victory is impossible. Galactic civilizations don't have time/abilities to become as advanced and numerous as Reapers...

...Yes, tell me they have enough time and abilities... Do you know what would happen in this case? The Reapers will arrive into the Dead Galaxy swarmed by overpowered synthetics built by the galactic civilization. Organic life will gone forever.

. Conventional victory WAS impossible.  If they had tens of thousands of years to prepare I think they could do it.  The Reapers' biggest weapon is surprise.

And there is ZERO proof for the Catalyst's claim that Organics WILL be destroyed by synthetics. 

The Reapers' biggest weapons are unbreakable shields and unstoppable lasers. And numbers of course.

Conversation with the Leviathan is the only proof we need. It directly states that organics create machines that later destroy them. They noticed the trend long ago. Without the Catalyst the entire Galaxy would become a dead space long ago.

Modifié par Seival, 07 février 2013 - 12:17 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...
Yes, the Catalyst will find smarter Shepard one day eventually. But how many Cycles will pass till that day?

Even if the Catalyst will find another anomaly in the next Cycle, the choices will remain the same. Which already means that Shepard wasted galactic civilization for nothing, while he had the opportunity to stop the Cycles himself.

Just our cycle. Catalyst is dead, the info passed down by Liara helped stop the Reapers.

By creating and attaching the Crucible, talking to the Catalyst and choosing Control, Synthesis, or Destroy. There are no other ways to stop the Cycles. Conventional victory is impossible. Galactic civilizations don't have time/abilities to become as advanced and numerous as Reapers...

Unless they're warned by a conveniently placed time capsule left behind by the previous cycle.

Oh right, well, thank you Liara, I guess.

...Yes, tell me they have enough time and abilities... Do you know what would happen in this case? The Reapers will arrive into the Dead Galaxy swarmed by overpowered synthetics built by the galactic civilization. Organic life will gone forever.

I highly doubt the Reapers are stupid enough to let that happen. Sovereign wasn't hanging around the galaxy all that time because he was on holiday. 

Refusal is a waste of lives, triggered by a madman.

Says the one who constantly advocates control, where upon an ordinary human is given absolute power over the whole galaxy and no one to hold him accountable. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 07 février 2013 - 12:16 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...


The Reapers biggest weapon are unbreakable shields and unstoppable lasers. And numbers of course.

nope just indoctrination....

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

The Reapers' biggest weapons are unbreakable shields and unstoppable lasers. And numbers of course.

Conversation with the Leviathan is the only proof we need. It directly states that organics create machines that later destroy them. They noticed the trend long ago. Without the Catalyst the entire Galaxy would become a dead space soon enough.

. So destroying the geth over Rannoch, or the Protheans almost winning the "Metcon War" is irrelevant? I don't think so.  Synthetics can be killed, and the quarians would have done it very easily without the reapers interfering.

And those shields and lasers are no good if the other people are ready for them, I think Liara would include that in her little box

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Reapers' biggest weapons are unbreakable shields and unstoppable lasers. And numbers of course.

Decidedly conventional means of carrying out their objectives. An opponent with better weapons and shields, and perhaps larger numbers, could concievebly defeat them. 

Conversation with the Leviathan is the only proof we need. It directly states that organics create machines that later destroy them. They noticed the trend long ago. Without the Catalyst the entire Galaxy would become a dead space soon enough.

Sorry if I don't exactly put much stock into the words of giant cuttelfish things who in an effort to prevent their thralls from being wiped out by the machines they eventually create, thought making a machine of their own was a good idea. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 07 février 2013 - 12:23 .