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[Raanz]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

They have stated in no uncertain terms that the ending is the final one. They have actually said that they don't like the indoctrination theory, that it's kind of silly and an overly basic explanation for what's been going on in the story. And I agree with them on all counts.

I'm glad that the indoctrination theory is dead. Good riddance.

Makes more sense then what they came up with.  IMO of course.

[Applepie_Svk]

4stringwizard wrote...

Exactly.  I'm not asking for everything explained, but the Crucible is a pretty friggin' important part of the plot.  We don't know what it does, how it works, or who built it.  At least tell us what it is.  Something that big deserves at least some explanation, not relegated to a deus ex machina that comes off as lazy writing. 

Instead it's just "Have a problem with Reapers??  Here's a huge freakin' space gun that will solve all your problems!!!" 

Crucible is plotdevice which is pushing forward whole plot and it´s not even explained, that´s the one of the few points where writing went totally wrong, like some amatuers from first grade... From what we have, we know that Crucible has a scan just for Reapers but can target Reapers, Organics, Synthetics ... all by choice Shepard´ve made...

I am not delusional here, I am taking the ending of ME3 for what it is as the bad writing theory on live... supposed questions you can´t answer with another questions and plotholes you can´t fix with another plotholes.

The only thing which is haunting me about this so-called art is that our so-called artists pulled out of their ass something like chief v:2.0 in next tittle... I wouldn´t be surprised 

[GiarcYekrub]

Bioware won't continue the story in DLC form, ME4 is where any future answers will come, DLC will just expand on Shepards journey, but it won't be essential to the story as that like charging for the real ending, only one game I know did that, the Prince of Persia reboot.

[Eterna]

Did your thread title have to be posted in such a factual manner? For a second I thought Bioware had caved and my heart withered in despair for content I wouldn't give two craps about.

[Veganterror]

[Biotic Sage]

4stringwizard wrote...

2.  Indoctrination theory is still alive. 

 

Sorry, I'll have to stop you there and throw a tomato.  Indoctrination "theory" was never alive.  It was D.O.A. and a select group of fans who are in heavy denial have been beating on its lifeless chest and breathing into its cold blue lips since last March up until this very day.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 07 février 2013 - 10:39 .

[Grubas]

NT121784 wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

They have stated in no uncertain terms that the ending is the final one. They have actually said that they don't like the indoctrination theory, that it's kind of silly and an overly basic explanation for what's been going on in the story. And I agree with them on all counts.

I'm glad that the indoctrination theory is dead. Good riddance.

Sourceplzthnx

Source?

[Xellith]

Grubas wrote...

NT121784 wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

They have stated in no uncertain terms that the ending is the final one. They have actually said that they don't like the indoctrination theory, that it's kind of silly and an overly basic explanation for what's been going on in the story. And I agree with them on all counts.

I'm glad that the indoctrination theory is dead. Good riddance.

Sourceplzthnx

Source?

OH let me join! 

Source?

[Seival]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...
By creating and attaching the Crucible, talking to the Catalyst and choosing Control, Synthesis, or Destroy. There are no other ways to stop the Cycles. Conventional victory is impossible. Galactic civilizations don't have time/abilities to become as advanced and numerous as Reapers...

Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you over all the living going on in the next cycle regardless.

...Yes, tell me they have enough time and abilities... Do you know what would happen in this case? The Reapers will arrive into the Dead Galaxy swarmed by overpowered synthetics built by the galactic civilization. Organic life will gone forever.

We see quite clearly that's certainly not what happens.

Refusal is a waste of lives, triggered by a madman.

I'll assume your refering to the catalyst seeing as he's the one who turns off the Crucible and triggers the event.

What we see in Stargazer modified for Refusal:

Option №1: New galactic civilization deluded that it have prepared to the Reapers invasion, but in fact have no idea about real scale of the threat.

Option №2: New galactic civilization after the Reaper threat was stopped by someone who didn't fear the choices offered by the Catalyst.

Conventional victory was never possible, and will never be possible, no matter how good you prepared. Each previous Cycle warned the subsequent one... Protheans were much more advanced than current civilization. Reapers had to spend hundreds of years to consume them, but the Prothean defeat was inevitable. Each civilization is doomed, unless the Catalyst finds what it's looking for, and this finding will not become a pathetic Refuser.

Modifié par Seival, 07 février 2013 - 11:06 .

[Zaalbar]

NO!
It will be just another pre ending DLC that will give us more pointless War Assets. We may get a new hub section on the CItadel to explore but other then that I dont believe it will be ending related.

I also feel Bioware has blown their chances away anyway, the IT would have made for possibly the greatest revelation since KOTOR`s (SPOILERS).

The problem here is if Bioware included this new ending now and it is related to the indoctination then it is pretty much what we are all expecting making its reveal feel ¨meh¨. It would become possibly one of the most missed oppertunities in the histoy of the media.

Dont get me wrong I would like this ending especially over the crap we were left with but I personally would rather have experienced this revelation in my first playthrough and not after mulitlpe playthroughs a year later.

If Bioware tried to include it now a year after the game is released then as good as it could be it would just be another bullet to the head for bioware for releasing an unfinished product year ago that requires DLC to be completed.

[Darth_Trethon]

All the haters may end up having to eat their words and choke on them. Notwithstanding that BioWare has done what they said they never would a million times in the past there's been some interesting twitter chat from Jessica Merizan and Patrick Weekes about 7 hours ago on twitter shortly after she first said she played it:



So if you're screaming "NO!!" and other such things you might want to chill out.

[dorktainian]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...
By creating and attaching the Crucible, talking to the Catalyst and choosing Control, Synthesis, or Destroy. There are no other ways to stop the Cycles. Conventional victory is impossible. Galactic civilizations don't have time/abilities to become as advanced and numerous as Reapers...

Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you over all the living going on in the next cycle regardless.

...Yes, tell me they have enough time and abilities... Do you know what would happen in this case? The Reapers will arrive into the Dead Galaxy swarmed by overpowered synthetics built by the galactic civilization. Organic life will gone forever.

We see quite clearly that's certainly not what happens.

Refusal is a waste of lives, triggered by a madman.

I'll assume your refering to the catalyst seeing as he's the one who turns off the Crucible and triggers the event.

What we see in Stargazer modified for Refusal:

Option №1: New galactic civilization deluded that it have prepared to the Reapers invasion, but in fact have no idea about real scale of the threat.

Option №2: New galactic civilization after the Reaper threat was stopped by someone who didn't fear the choices offered by the Catalyst.

Conventional victory was never possible, and will never be possible, no matter how good you prepared. Each previous Cycle warned the subsequent one... Protheans were much more advanced than current civilization. Reapers had to spend hundreds of years to consume them, but the Prothean defeat was inevitable. Each civilization is doomed, unless the Catalyst finds what it's looking for, and this finding will not become a pathetic Refuser.

     


rubbish.  everything has a weakness.  we just need to find it.

also...the protheans didn't have Sheploo.  

[Applepie_Svk]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

All the haters may end up having to eat their words and choke on them. Notwithstanding that BioWare has done what they said they never would a million times in the past there's been some interesting twitter chat from Jessica Merizan and Patrick Weekes about 7 hours ago on twitter shortly after she first said she played it:



So if you're screaming "NO!!" and other such things you might want to chill out.

So ? We´ll get our dinosaur DLC???

[Nayail]

1. True
2. True
3. True
4. True but most people dont know diffence between add endings and change ending. so they will flame you anyway.
5. I know possibility of story which can be used on 3 of 4 mass effect 3 endings.

[Darth_Trethon]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

All the haters may end up having to eat their words and choke on them. Notwithstanding that BioWare has done what they said they never would a million times in the past there's been some interesting twitter chat from Jessica Merizan and Patrick Weekes about 7 hours ago on twitter shortly after she first said she played it:



So if you're screaming "NO!!" and other such things you might want to chill out.

So ? We´ll get our dinosaur DLC???

Who knows but suffice to say there's a good chance that whatever this DLC does it may and very possibly can do to the endings. Whether that is reunion bit, IT, dinosaurs, refuse turned victory or what have you.

I'm not inclined to take the dinosaur theory as the most likely but BioWare has a very long history of doing things they said they never would due to fan demand and there is no higher demand than for further ending content even after the EC. If there's money to be gained EA will say "Do it!" and hear nothing more on the issue.

[Applepie_Svk]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Who knows but suffice to say there's a good chance that whatever this DLC does it may and very possibly can do to the endings. Whether that is reunion bit, IT, dinosaurs, refuse turned victory or what have you.

I'm not inclined to take the dinosaur theory as the most likely but BioWare has a very long history of doing things they said they never would due to fan demand and there is no higher demand than for further ending content even after the EC. If there's money to be gained EA will say "Do it!" and hear nothing more on the issue.

Do you know that rule about women ? Like when she said yes means no and the opposite  that´s work for BioWare too...

[Errationatus]

 - Shepard dead.

 - Mass Effect SP experience dead.

 - Hope dead.

 - Bioware done with ME, no longer care about we Toxic Ones.  

 - Official credo:  "Nothing broke, nothing needs fixing".

 - "We're listening" is same as "yeah, yeah, shut up now".

 - DLC will be empty pre-ending war assets, with auto-dialogue.  No ME2 squadmate anything, no romance resolution, no changing ending.  The only ones who want these things are fans, not Bioware.

 - Disappointment directly related to endless hopeful threads that are ultimately meaningless.  This DLC is only the nail in ME's coffin.

Ashes, dust, in nomine padre, filli, spiritus sancti.


Don't succumb.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 07 février 2013 - 11:56 .

[Atekimagus]

zaalbar76 wrote...

NO!
It will be just another pre ending DLC that will give us more pointless War Assets. We may get a new hub section on the CItadel to explore but other then that I dont believe it will be ending related.

I also feel Bioware has blown their chances away anyway, the IT would have made for possibly the greatest revelation since KOTOR`s (SPOILERS).

The problem here is if Bioware included this new ending now and it is related to the indoctination then it is pretty much what we are all expecting making its reveal feel ¨meh¨. It would become possibly one of the most missed oppertunities in the histoy of the media.

Dont get me wrong I would like this ending especially over the crap we were left with but I personally would rather have experienced this revelation in my first playthrough and not after mulitlpe playthroughs a year later.

If Bioware tried to include it now a year after the game is released then as good as it could be it would just be another bullet to the head for bioware for releasing an unfinished product year ago that requires DLC to be completed.

Pretty much this. They waited to long and are way past redemption imho. They had one shot at fixing it with the EC and leave everyone baffled and pleasently surprised (oh you bioware, how could I stay mad at you) but missed it completely, either unwilling or unable to adress the very fundamental flaws of their ending narritive. (If you like the ending I am fine with it. It looks nice, the music is nice etc. but that the narritive is flawed (and I am being very polite) isn't even open to discussion imho.
A shame that they insisted on artistic integrity (they should never have climbed so high a horse in the first place and just tried to deliver solid entertainment like in the previous two games, instead on going all artsy on us here) instead of bringing the story to a logical conclusion which doesn't invalidate the first game and pisses on the second.

They can only hope now imho that most people have forgotten about it at the time ME4 comes out.

[Xellith]

Atekimagus wrote...

They can only hope now imho that most people have forgotten about it at the time ME4 comes out.

Without hope.. the Bioware staff may as well be machines.. programmed to do what they are told?

[davishepard]

Atekimagus wrote...

Pretty much this. They waited to long and are way past redemption imho. They had one shot at fixing it with the EC and leave everyone baffled and pleasently surprised (oh you bioware, how could I stay mad at you) but missed it completely, either unwilling or unable to adress the very fundamental flaws of their ending narritive. (If you like the ending I am fine with it. It looks nice, the music is nice etc. but that the narritive is flawed (and I am being very polite) isn't even open to discussion imho.
A shame that they insisted on artistic integrity (they should never have climbed so high a horse in the first place and just tried to deliver solid entertainment like in the previous two games, instead on going all artsy on us here) instead of bringing the story to a logical conclusion which doesn't invalidate the first game and pisses on the second.

They can only hope now imho that most people have forgotten about it at the time ME4 comes out.

You - and every one that also do this - should just stop to use the text in bolded letters as a flawed meme taking it completely out of the original context it was used. It was used by the co-founder of Bioware, Ray Muzyka, in blog post in support to the ME3 team and the game they made. It was not used as a excuse of any sort, either by Ray himself or the ME3 team. If you can't understand what he mean with the term, bad for you, but don't force a false meaning to it, and above it all, don't spread lies as if they were true.

Bioware doesn't need to redempt itself from anything. The narrative being or not flawed IS open to discussion, since opinions are not facts, and more specificaly, YOUR opinion on them being flawed is not a fact.

Modifié par davishepard, 07 février 2013 - 12:15 .

[Applepie_Svk]

davishepard wrote...

You - and every one that also do this - should just stop to use the text in bolded letters as a flawed meme taking it completely out of the original context it was used. It was used by the co-founder of Bioware, Ray Muzyka, in blog post in support to the ME3 team and the game they made. It was not used as a excuse of any sort, either by Ray himself or the ME3 team. If you can't understand what he mean with the term, bad for you, but don't force a false meaning to it, and above it all, don't spread lies as if they were true.

Bioware doesn't need to redempt itself from anything. The narrative being or not flawed IS open to discussion, since opinions are not facts, and more specificaly, YOUR opinion on them being flawed is not a fact.

Artistic integrity was joke since very beginning... whatever artistic integrity they had, left with day1 dlc...

[PainCakesx]

While I take everything any community manager takes with a Saturn V rocket payload of salt, this doesn't bode well for an epilogue. As unlikely as it was, there was still some hope.

I really wanted to buy the remaining DLC for ME3, but it looks like that won't happen. 

[Darth_Trethon]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

davishepard wrote...

You - and every one that also do this - should just stop to use the text in bolded letters as a flawed meme taking it completely out of the original context it was used. It was used by the co-founder of Bioware, Ray Muzyka, in blog post in support to the ME3 team and the game they made. It was not used as a excuse of any sort, either by Ray himself or the ME3 team. If you can't understand what he mean with the term, bad for you, but don't force a false meaning to it, and above it all, don't spread lies as if they were true.

Bioware doesn't need to redempt itself from anything. The narrative being or not flawed IS open to discussion, since opinions are not facts, and more specificaly, YOUR opinion on them being flawed is not a fact.

Artistic integrity was joke since very beginning... whatever artistic integrity they had, left with day1 dlc...

Pretty much this. The artistic integrity argument was nothing more than a sad joke.

As for opinions.....the opinions of the fans should concern them very much because those opinions get to have a huge influence on the sales of their next games. The EC mostly made people shut up and go away but not happy or anywhere close to content....the last thing they want is for fans to shut up and go away. The general consensus was that one way or another the EC was nowhere near good enough.

[davishepard]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Artistic integrity was joke since very beginning... whatever artistic integrity they had, left with day1 dlc...

It was a stupid joke, and still is. But stupidity is the currency when talking about fans - yeah - behaviour here in BSN, yet this doesn't stop them from wondering why the dev team don't participate in the forums. 

It's not a mandatory DLC, the game progresses normally without it. You are offered it, and may buy or not, if you think is worth; it's your money, at the end of the day.

[Darth_Trethon]

davishepard wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Artistic integrity was joke since very beginning... whatever artistic integrity they had, left with day1 dlc...

It was a stupid joke, and still is. But stupidity is the currency when talking about fans - yeah - behaviour here in BSN, yet this doesn't stop them from wondering why the dev team don't participate in the forums. 

It's not a mandatory DLC, the game progresses normally without it. You are offered it, and may buy or not, if you think is worth; it's your money, at the end of the day.

Beyond all the stupidity there is a very real problem.....most are still upset with the ending even after the EC. You could say nothing will please people but that's overly generalistic.....the propper solution may not have to be givinng people IT or conventional victory or whatever but as a company BioWare has to do something to improve the general sentiment or sales of future games will suffer.

Personally I think that a well done reunion scene and/or a well done conventional victory refusal would solve that problem......but not touching the ending is the worst thing they can do.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 07 février 2013 - 12:43 .