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[CosmicGnosis]

I've seen some people claim that Chris Priestly had stated before the Extended Cut that the breath scene was just an Easter egg. Is this true?

If so, what exactly does this mean? Was the breath scene truly an afterthought? And what did BioWare mean when they stated brefore ME3's release that the best ending was obtainable without multiplayer? It was almost impossible to get the breath scene without it. And what does "best" even mean? "Best" implies a single ending, not a variety.

It was certainly possible to get Synthesis without multiplayer...

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 07 février 2013 - 07:27 .

[o Ventus]

No, it isn't.

[Steelcan]

It's a cop out. They didnt want to say "Shepard is alive" even though he clearly is. So they came up with a scene that some people have determined is Shepard breathing in and dying?

[fiendishchicken]

BW wants us to speculate.

We don't want to speculate.

[Samtheman63]

the main character survives the final battle against the reapers at the end of a trilogy, that is no easter egg

[MegaSovereign]

No. It confirms the main protagonist's survival, that's not what I would call an easter egg.

[jfeth713]

I don't know if anyone ever called it an easter egg, but I believe the breathe scene was originally meant to be that. For one they said that everything could be done and obtained through just playing the single player campaign, that you wouldn't miss out on anything for skipping mp. If the scene wasn't meant to be an easter egg then either they lied or they forgot what they said, because it was impossible to get w/o mp before the EC. Despite what they have since said I think the reason why they made it possible to get with just single player was because a lot of people complained that no matter what ending you picked Shepard was dead. And for some destroyers like me what incentive do I have to replay the game or buy dlc?

Modifié par jfeth713, 07 février 2013 - 07:54 .

[BladyMZ]

I believe they weren't sure what it was to begin with. Once I've read that we couldn't get "Breath scene" without multiplayer because it was a glitch. Later, we've learned that it was supposed to be "a reward" for people investing time into multiplayer. So yeah, Bioware has no answer to your question.

[MegaSovereign]

jfeth713 wrote...

I don't know if anyone ever called it an easter egg, but I believe the breathe scene was originally meant to be that. For one they said that everything could be done and obtained through just playing the single player campaign, that you wouldn't miss out on anything for skipping mp. If the scene wasn't meant to be an easter egg then either they lied or they forgot what they said, because it was impossible to get w/o mp before the EC. Despite what they have since said I think the reason why they made it possible to get with just single player was because a lot of people complained that no matter what ending you picked Shepard was dead. And for destroyers like me what incentive do I have to replay the game or buy dlc?

They lied and or forgot about what they said. Chris Priestly came out with a PR statement about how they were deliberately trying to award those who played both SP and MP.

[wright1978]

Well imo it is pretty clear it was meant to be an easter egg because they refused to provide one iota of clarification/exposition/closure for it in the EC. Even worse they just dumped it at the end of the epilogue like a sack of garbage.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Scene doesn't exist Shepard is dead.

[Grubas]

MegaSovereign wrote...

They lied and or forgot about what they said. Chris Priestly came out with a PR statement about how they were deliberately trying to award those who played both SP and MP.

Its true. Sadly. bw could have handled it much better in the first place, though. But yeah, a Lie. 

[phillip100]

DinoSteve wrote...

Scene doesn't exist Shepard is dead.

The breath scene does exist. You only see it if you have an EMS of over 3100 (with EC installed) and choose to destroy the Reapers.

[Tootles FTW]

MegaSovereign wrote...

No. It confirms the main protagonist's survival, that's not what I would call an easter egg.

There is no survival confirmation - Bioware has said that it can be taken as a breath from Shepard "waking up" or Shepard's last breath.  They vagued it up on purpose because they want speculations.

This was all stated at a panel during some convention...too lazy to look up a link, my apologies.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

phillip100 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Scene doesn't exist Shepard is dead.

The breath scene does exist. You only see it if you have an EMS of over 3100 (with EC installed) and choose to destroy the Reapers.

Ignores everyone, no it doesn't.

[MegaSovereign]

Tootles FTW wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

No. It confirms the main protagonist's survival, that's not what I would call an easter egg.

There is no survival confirmation - Bioware has said that it can be taken as a breath from Shepard "waking up" or Shepard's last breath.  They vagued it up on purpose because they want speculations.

This was all stated at a panel during some convention...too lazy to look up a link, my apologies.

Shepard survived. If he died then it should have been shown or explicitly stated that he did in the game. You can headcanon him dying off-screen if you want.

And Chris Hepler's troll statement conflicts with what Tully Ackland (one of the guys who worked on the EC) and Brenon Holmes said about the breath scene.

[Grubas]

Tootles FTW wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

No. It confirms the main protagonist's survival, that's not what I would call an easter egg.

There is no survival confirmation - Bioware has said that it can be taken as a breath from Shepard "waking up" or Shepard's last breath.  They vagued it up on purpose because they want speculations.

This was all stated at a panel during some convention...too lazy to look up a link, my apologies.

That was actually a joke. They did not wanted to talk about the ending(s) at all, screened questions for that purpose.
This guy was a hero.
Asked his question like a boss.

[CronoDragoon]

Tootles FTW wrote...

There is no survival confirmation - Bioware has said that it can be taken as a breath from Shepard "waking up" or Shepard's last breath.  They vagued it up on purpose because they want speculations.

This was all stated at a panel during some convention...too lazy to look up a link, my apologies.

Yes and no. Narratively the only real explanation for that scene to exist is to surprise players that Shepard is alive. We also have confirmation that the difference in the memorial scene is supposed to reflect the scenario where Shepard is alive, per Tully Ackland:

"You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest
hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as
though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest
is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals
they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love
interest and Shepard will again be together."

So, while Destroyers who want Shepard to be sacrificed can technically still headcanon this, formalistically his survival is the only plausible conclusion.

[wright1978]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Shepard survived. If he died then it should have been shown or explicitly stated that he did in the game. You can headcanon him dying off-screen if you want.

And Chris Hepler's troll statement conflicts with what Tully Ackland (one of the guys who worked on the EC) and Brenon Holmes said about the breath scene.

They cared so little that they refused to even expand on the scene at all in an extended cut meant to provide clarification/closure, so as far as i'm concerned they are all trolling fans.  

[Grubas]

What is the point for a last-breath-scene anyway?

[Tootles FTW]

@Mega - Well, that is certainly refreshing to hear. Now if Bioware can just replace the desk I smashed whilst slamming my face into it when I first heard the "Oh, it could totes be his last breath, too!" it'd be much appreciated.

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 07 février 2013 - 08:14 .

[TheWerdna]

DinoSteve wrote...

phillip100 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Scene doesn't exist Shepard is dead.

The breath scene does exist. You only see it if you have an EMS of over 3100 (with EC installed) and choose to destroy the Reapers.

Ignores everyone, no it doesn't.

If you are mocking the people who refuse to awknowlage the existence of the breath scene or claim Shepard dies anyways, then well played.

If you are actually serious, then you are an idiot.

[phillip100]

TheWerdna wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

phillip100 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Scene doesn't exist Shepard is dead.

The breath scene does exist. You only see it if you have an EMS of over 3100 (with EC installed) and choose to destroy the Reapers.

Ignores everyone, no it doesn't.

If you are mocking the people who refuse to awknowlage the existence of the breath scene or claim Shepard dies anyways, then well played.

If you are actually serious, then you are an idiot.

My thoughts exactly.

[wright1978]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

There is no survival confirmation - Bioware has said that it can be taken as a breath from Shepard "waking up" or Shepard's last breath.  They vagued it up on purpose because they want speculations.

This was all stated at a panel during some convention...too lazy to look up a link, my apologies.

Yes and no. Narratively the only real explanation for that scene to exist is to surprise players that Shepard is alive. We also have confirmation that the difference in the memorial scene is supposed to reflect the scenario where Shepard is alive, per Tully Ackland:

"You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest
hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as
though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest
is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals
they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love
interest and Shepard will again be together."

So, while Destroyers who want Shepard to be sacrificed can technically still headcanon this, formalistically his survival is the only plausible conclusion.

What a load of codswollop. Also inaccurate codswollop but then i shouldn't be surprised the only ME3 LI's count as far as their concerned. Also there are variations of destroy where Shep dies so refusing to add exposition/clarification to the only variant where he/she can  live whilst adding tonnes of it for the death variants is just wrong.

[Shya]

Grubas wrote...

What is the point for a last-breath-scene anyway?

To start threads like this