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Did BioWare ever actually say that the breath scene was just an "Easter egg"?


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Jadebaby

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Steelcan wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Strangely enough, that's my favourite ending to the trilogy. How terrible is that?

. You'd have to ask someone with an active moral compass.  Mine's broken.  I don't give two ****s about killing the geth or EDI


I already knew that about you... Guess I'll have to choose Synthesis and reprogram you..

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Jadebaby wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Strangely enough, that's my favourite ending to the trilogy. How terrible is that?

. You'd have to ask someone with an active moral compass.  Mine's broken.  I don't give two ****s about killing the geth or EDI


I already knew that about you... Guess I'll have to choose Synthesis and reprogram you..


Well, I look at the deaths of EDI and the Geth, and balance that with the deaths of the Reapers.

For me, either they die, or we all die.

It isn't easy, but it has to be done.

Also Steelcan, I wouldn't say you have a broken moral compass. I'd just say that you aren't quite to the point to have really realized the real ethics and morality behind actions yet.

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Davik Kang wrote...

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Well since this thread is about the breath scene, people want an adequate elaboration on it because all other endings are unambiguous about Sheps fate. I admit that I'd like that too.

Especially when the EC talks about the Geth and Quarians returning to Rannoch and Grunt and Wrex returning to Tuchanka which keeping the state of the relays in mind means that a lit of time has passed. Wouldnt the fate of the savior of the galaxy be determined by these people if he was alive? And if he isnt going to survive or be found what is the point of that scene? That is where you are being asked to headcanon.

Thats what the criticism is about as far as I can tell.

Yeah but what could we have had then?  Shep building a house with Tali?  What if I wanted Shep to go hunt down Kasumi instead?  How about a retirement shack on a beach somewhere?  But my Sheoard would never retire!!  etc. etc.


We could have Shepard standing up
Shepard being rescued by an Alliance team
The Normandy receiving a report that Shepard was found alive
Shepard waking up in a hospital
Or do MEHEM's Shepard at the memorial putting Anderson's name on it.

There's a hundred and one different clear ways of showing the Shepard survived rather than one shallow breath from a faceless torso in some hidden area of an abandoned Citadel.  Houses on Rannoch and blue babies not neded.

The straightforward implication of the scene is that Shepard lives on, but if it makes a more poetic ending to your journey that Shepard perished there, knowing the Reapers were finally defeated, or whatever, it's fine.  It's cool.  You can't expect Bioware to come out and say that people who thought that are wrong.  Of course they will dodge questions like this.  Trying to read something into CP's (or anyone else's) comments is entirely pointless.  And he even came into this thread to reiterate that!


The scene is simply too vague.  For a lot of people you have to metagame to understand that this means Shepard lives.  I don't want to have to look through file names or go "well this scene doesn't play in lower EMS endings, so..." in order to "get it"

If Shepard survives, let's see Shepard survive.  As it is we don't even get to see Shepard's face.

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fiendishchicken wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...
Strangely enough, that's my favourite ending to the trilogy. How terrible is that?

. You'd have to ask someone with an active moral compass.  Mine's broken.  I don't give two ****s about killing the geth or EDI

I already knew that about you... Guess I'll have to choose Synthesis and reprogram you..

Well, I look at the deaths of EDI and the Geth, and balance that with the deaths of the Reapers.

Also Steelcan, I wouldn't say you have a broken moral compass. I'd just say that you aren't quite to the point to have really realized the real ethics and morality behind actions yet.

. Whatever you say:devil:

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Yea don't worry steelcan, all the endings are morally broken so every ending you choose could be seen as having a broken moral compass..

Except for maybe refuse, because you very literally die for your morals and values...

BioWare writing ftw!

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iakus wrote...
The scene is simply too vague.  For a lot of people you have to metagame to understand that this means Shepard lives. 


It's not vague at all. Sorry. When someone takes a breath that means they are alive. People claiming otherwise are the ones meta-gaming, either as justification for a reunion scene or because their preferred ending includes Shepard dying.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 08 février 2013 - 06:50 .


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CronoDragoon wrote...

iakus wrote...
The scene is simply too vague.  For a lot of people you have to metagame to understand that this means Shepard lives. 


It's not vague at all. Sorry. When someone takes a breath that means they are alive. People claiming otherwise are the ones meta-gaming, either as justification for a reunion scene or because their preferred ending includes Shepard dying.


Quite a lot of people are completely willing to accept that the faceless torso is alive at the moment of taking the breath. I know that that isn't what a dying breath looks like. Still, in the context of everything that happened in the end of the game it would have been good to give people a little more to believe Shep is actually going to live for some time after the breath,,,

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Tully Ackland stated outright in these forums that the breath scene is Shepard ALIVE several months back but everything after that is up to your interpretation. It even says so in the official strategy guide book.
The breath scene requires the most war assets and is the hardest part of the game to get before the EC. And after the EC, it's the only ending where Shepard's name is not placed on the memorial. I think it's more than an "Easter egg."
Finding "Mirror's Edge" shoes in Battlefield 3?......that's an Easter egg

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CronoDragoon wrote...

iakus wrote...
The scene is simply too vague.  For a lot of people you have to metagame to understand that this means Shepard lives. 


It's not vague at all. Sorry. When someone takes a breath that means they are alive. People claiming otherwise are the ones meta-gaming, either as justification for a reunion scene or because their preferred ending includes Shepard dying.


By that logic this means they both survive (assuming they're both human).  Forget about the fact that they're stranded in the Antarctic in a trashed base and maybe a bloodthirsty alien running around.  They live!

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fiendishchicken wrote...

BW wants us to speculate.

We don't want to speculate.


This, this and this.  1000 times this.  

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The breathe scene was an easter egg, a bonus, whatever you want to call it before the EC. There were not enough war assets to get the scene Pre-EC without playing MP. If people weren't upset about the ending, if the EC had never been created, the breath scene would still be locked behind mp.

Bioware was not lying when they said before the game's release that everything could be obtained and seen without mp. The breath scene was not originally meant to be part of any ending. When they said ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story they meant it. Shepard was dead in all endings Pre-EC. They only changed it because people complained that choices and colors aside the endings were too bleak because Shepard was dead in all of them.

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Captain_Obvious wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

BW wants us to speculate.

We don't want to speculate.


This, this and this.  1000 times this.  

only because no one was validating Casey and Mac's pet endings......

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jfeth713 wrote...

The breathe scene was an easter egg, a bonus, whatever you want to call it before the EC. There were not enough war assets to get the scene Pre-EC without playing MP. If people weren't upset about the ending, if the EC had never been created, the breath scene would still be locked behind mp.

Bioware was not lying when they said before the game's release that everything could be obtained and seen without mp. The breath scene was not originally meant to be part of any ending. When they said ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story they meant it. Shepard was dead in all endings Pre-EC. They only changed it because people complained that choices and colors aside the endings were too bleak because Shepard was dead in all of them.

you are being obtuse as I have a dev quote stating that that IS the Shepard lives ending....and that dev got it from the project lead so....BEFORE the ec btw

but whatever

Modifié par crimzontearz, 08 février 2013 - 08:23 .


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crimzontearz wrote...

you are being obtuse as I have a dev quote stating that that IS the Shepard lives ending....and that dev got it from the project lead so....BEFORE the etc btw

but whatever

The scene was originally only obtainable through playing mp. I beat the game twice prior to the EC, picking destroy both times. Having damn near maxedd out the war assets I never got the breath scene. So if they're to be believed that nobody would get punished for not playing mp then the scene was a bonus I couldn't get because i didn't play MP and prior to the EC my Shepard was dead through no fault of my own.

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jfeth713 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

you are being obtuse as I have a dev quote stating that that IS the Shepard lives ending....and that dev got it from the project lead so....BEFORE the etc btw

but whatever

The scene was originally only obtainable through playing mp. I beat the game twice prior to the EC, picking destroy both times. Having damn near maxedd out the war assets I never got the breath scene. So if they're to be believed that nobody would get punished for not playing mp then the scene was a bonus I couldn't get because i didn't play MP and prior to the EC my Shepard was dead through no fault of my own.

The dev in question told me also everyone was told (within the team) the scene was obtainable with SP alone and that NG+ would make it easier. yes I have direct quotes of that too

my only theory is that EA demanded that to push the mp more

said dev also apologized about it

Modifié par crimzontearz, 08 février 2013 - 08:46 .


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CronoDragoon wrote...

iakus wrote...
The scene is simply too vague.  For a lot of people you have to metagame to understand that this means Shepard lives. 


It's not vague at all. Sorry. When someone takes a breath that means they are alive. People claiming otherwise are the ones meta-gaming, either as justification for a reunion scene or because their preferred ending includes Shepard dying.


Says the one that needs to turn to game files and BioWare statements to back up what happens in-game...

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Funny that some of you have the audacity to speak of moral compasses. If you picked anything other than Synthesis you're morally bankrupt. How dare you try and lecture others chicken.

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BirdsallSa wrote...

Funny that some of you have the audacity to speak of moral compasses. If you picked anything other than Synthesis you're morally bankrupt. How dare you try and lecture others chicken.

I know I am

I am good with it

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We need Synthesis to stop people like the destroyers from tearing society apart. People who would charge blindly to destroy the Reapers and The Intelligence who have done nothing but dedicate themselves to preserving life.

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BirdsallSa wrote...

We need Synthesis to stop people like the destroyers from tearing society apart. People who would charge blindly to destroy the Reapers and The Intelligence who have done nothing but dedicate themselves to preserving life.


Useless troll is useless.

Go back to your hole, troll.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 08 février 2013 - 08:54 .


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fiendishchicken wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

We need Synthesis to stop people like the destroyers from tearing society apart. People who would charge blindly to destroy the Reapers and The Intelligence who have done nothing but dedicate themselves to preserving life.


Useless troll is useless.

Go back to your hole, troll.

get it right....it is a bridge not a hole

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fiendishchicken wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

We need Synthesis to stop people like the destroyers from tearing society apart. People who would charge blindly to destroy the Reapers and The Intelligence who have done nothing but dedicate themselves to preserving life.


Useless troll is useless.

Go back to your hole, troll.

Useless poster is useless. Do you ever have anything interesting to discuss or do you just cry troll whenever someone disagrees with your nonsense?

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BirdsallSa wrote...

Funny that some of you have the audacity to speak of moral compasses. If you picked anything other than Synthesis you're morally bankrupt. How dare you try and lecture others chicken.


Ironic.

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crimzontearz wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

We need Synthesis to stop people like the destroyers from tearing society apart. People who would charge blindly to destroy the Reapers and The Intelligence who have done nothing but dedicate themselves to preserving life.


Useless troll is useless.

Go back to your hole, troll.

get it right....it is a bridge not a hole


That's my response to people who are trolls or are deliberately trying to bait/flame.

Besides, bridges are for talented but emotionally disturbed musicians. Holes are for foul beings that crawled out of the Earth to cast a dark light on the internet. This guy is the latter.

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BirdsallSa wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

We need Synthesis to stop people like the destroyers from tearing society apart. People who would charge blindly to destroy the Reapers and The Intelligence who have done nothing but dedicate themselves to preserving life.


Useless troll is useless.

Go back to your hole, troll.

Useless poster is useless. Do you ever have anything interesting to discuss or do you just cry troll whenever someone disagrees with your nonsense?


Also ironic. Only instead of crying troll, you cry morally bankrupt. You may live.