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[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I got charged $80 and was then told to imagine my own happy ending. This is not acceptable.

So, you were specifically paying $80 for a happy ending?

I think you're in the wrong place, bub.

C+  As far as trolling goes, I've seen worse.  Seen better, but seen worse.

But in any case, not allowing an explicit depiction of the protagonist's survival to counterbalance the amount of death involved in all the other endings (particularly in teh Destroy endings) is just cruel.  One breath is not enough catharisis for the scene. 

Modifié par iakus, 08 février 2013 - 11:53 .

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I got charged $80 and was then told to imagine my own happy ending. This is not acceptable.

So, you were specifically paying $80 for a happy ending?

I think you're in the wrong place, bub.

did you just call me.......BLOB?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 08 février 2013 - 11:59 .

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Oh look, another debate on the breathe scene....



Oh look, another thread derailed into a debate about the morality of the endings.....



Where's my popcorn?

offers my white cheddar popcorn

ohhh my favorite. Thanks!


I can't stand the buttery kind

eh...my wife is a pop corn junkie, she has all sorts of flavor powders for them

[Kel Riever]

The writer who said, 'It could be Shepard's last breath,' doesn't know what science is.

Which shows in the ending. So since science is out the window, IT REALLY COULD BE SHEPPARD'S LAST BREATH!

AND IT COULD BE SHEPPARD BREATHING IN THE GALAXY LIKE GALACTUS WOULD EAT A PLANET.

And it could be a cat.

Or it could be a torso that stole the N7 armor and fumbles around the rubble, limbless, and wanting, and preparing for the next sequel, ME 4: The Torso! With co-op multiplay.

That there sure is some speculation. Like a warm liquid, flowing over everything....

Modifié par Kel Riever, 09 février 2013 - 01:42 .

[dreamgazer]

Kel Riever wrote...

The writer who said, 'It could be Shepard's last breath,' doesn't know what science is.

The writer who said this was trolling. It bloomed from there.

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

The writer who said, 'It could be Shepard's last breath,' doesn't know what science is.

The writer who said this was trolling. It bloomed from there.

It says something about how badly done and ambiguous the scene is that it got taken so seriously, isn't it?

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

The writer who said, 'It could be Shepard's last breath,' doesn't know what science is.

The writer who said this was trolling. It bloomed from there.

It says something about how badly done and ambiguous the scene is that it got taken so seriously, isn't it?

Maybe. Or perhaps people who don't like the ending view the permission that Bioware gave with their "interpret it how you want" statements as a way to further validate their concerns/dislike of the endings.

Along with some of the narrative inconsistency issues that the ending introduces, people can now double down on their critic by arguing that the endings are still too bleak even after the EC. Bioware's breath scene statement has been converted to cannon fodder.

Modifié par The-Biotic-God, 09 février 2013 - 02:21 .

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

The writer who said, 'It could be Shepard's last breath,' doesn't know what science is.

The writer who said this was trolling. It bloomed from there.

It says something about how badly done and ambiguous the scene is that it got taken so seriously, isn't it?

Sorta, yeah. More the context built around the scene than the scene itself, though. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, back in March, the intent of the destroy ending was also the destruction of tech as well because "tech = evil" so whereas it wasn't Shepard's last breath, I didn't see a rescue coming any time soon. The mass relays were destroyed. Was anyone even alive? Shepard's LI was stranded on a planet god knows where. Did those starships even work anymore? Were we looking at technology = 1800s? Well Shepard's going to run out of food and air soon. Bye bye. Food being whatever bodies are nearby. So not dead, but stranded. Unless somehow she got teleported to earth.

The day when that "It could be Shepard's last breath" was said was in April 2012, pre-EC, and it never changed, yet it was after the retcons of the Original Endings started.

"The mass relays aren't really destroyed. They're damaged. They can be repaired.

[crimzontearz]

btw that troll attempt was in awful taste

[crimzontearz]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well, back in March, the intent of the destroy ending was also the destruction of tech as well because "tech = evil" so whereas it wasn't Shepard's last breath, I didn't see a rescue coming any time soon. The mass relays were destroyed. Was anyone even alive? Shepard's LI was stranded on a planet god knows where. Did those starships even work anymore? Were we looking at technology = 1800s? Well Shepard's going to run out of food and air soon. Bye bye. Food being whatever bodies are nearby. So not dead, but stranded. Unless somehow she got teleported to earth.

The day when that "It could be Shepard's last breath" was said was in April 2012, pre-EC, and it never changed, yet it was after the retcons of the Original Endings started.

"The mass relays aren't really destroyed. They're damaged. They can be repaired.

btw

as of the EC hackett has both Shepard position AND a comm link to him from his ship. After the crucible goes off Shepard can easily radio for help.....just saying

[LeandroBraz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.

Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.

And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.

I'm the guy that see a different meaning o/ yeap, my Shepard died on that scene...

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

btw that troll attempt was in awful taste

In that situation, the writer really shouldn't have done it. Emotions were still running pretty high, and he probably didn't consider how it'd translate to text. Unfortunately, people ran with it, and then it turned into an actual ... "thing".

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

btw that troll attempt was in awful taste

In that situation, the writer really shouldn't have done it. Emotions were still running pretty high, and he probably didn't consider how it'd translate to text. Unfortunately, people ran with it, and then it turned into an actual ... "thing".

it is as bad as a weight loss consultant cracking a fat joke

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...
But in any case, not allowing an explicit depiction of the protagonist's survival to counterbalance the amount of death involved in all the other endings (particularly in teh Destroy endings) is just cruel.  One breath is not enough catharisis for the scene. 

It's only cruel if Bio knew you folks would feel this way. I'm not sure they did. Pre-EC all the chatter I saw was that the breath scene obviously meant that Shepard was alive and how dare they make this only available to MP players...

(Well, Getorex was trolling the EMS thread saying that Shepard was going to die anyway, but nobody took him seriously)

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...
But in any case, not allowing an explicit depiction of the protagonist's survival to counterbalance the amount of death involved in all the other endings (particularly in teh Destroy endings) is just cruel.  One breath is not enough catharisis for the scene. 

It's only cruel if Bio knew you folks would feel this way. I'm not sure they did. Pre-EC all the chatter I saw was that the breath scene obviously meant that Shepard was alive and how dare they make this only available to MP players...

(Well, Getorex was trolling the EMS thread saying that Shepard was going to die anyway, but nobody took him seriously)

I still maintain that if they had paid any attention at all they would have known an explicit "Shepard lives" ending was highly sought after.  For one thing, I don't recall much chatter saying the breath was obviously Shepard living.  I saw grumbling that the only hint that Shepard lived was locked behind MP play.

Which leaves me to believe Bioware was either cruel or apathetic.  Not sure which is worse, really...

[FlamingBoy]

Auztinito wrote...

iakus wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Bioware probably thought that they couldn't close the story in a way everyone would like, so they tried to make and ending that would let the player speculate, fill in the blanks, head canon, write fan fic ending or whatever you want to call it.

And they're never going to tell anyone they're wrong, they'll just keep saying it could be either or, however you want interpret it.

They did close the story on every single ending where Shepard (definitely) died though.  It's only in this one case where they decided to be coy.  

It's not like they went "Shepard jumps into the greenspace magic  beam.  Did he/she survive?  Speculations!"  Nope Shepard's dead.  We get to watch the disintigration process.


"Shepard lies broken and alone in a hidden part of the Citadel, and takes one shallow breath.  Does Shepard survive?  Speculations!"  That's what people who want their Shepards to live get.  Not waking up in a hospital.  Not a rescue scene.  Not even a message to the Normandy .  

How can Mass Effect 3's endings and Dragon Age: Origins endings come from the same company?

I have a problem with the highlighted.How were they any different.They basically were the same.All Dragon Age:Origins had that was different were more variations of the same thing & barely any interperation of anything besides what the next game is about & where your character diappeared to.DA:O endings while happy were spoon-fed down our throats even the main character was said that he dissappered in the end & never seen again until Awakening or other DLC unless he sacrificed himself.

Dragon age origins ending was still good , and the fact that they retconned everything in dragon age 2 does not mean the endings were still good.

Now you are right there are some ambigious questions particularly surrounding what happens to the warden and morrigan (whatever happen to that girl?!) but your choices are very clear and they take place before the finale. In essence you make the choices and the ending plays out. Not you make choices during the ending.

Only thing I did not like about dragon age orgins was the slides after the banquet (which funnily enough mass effect extended cut included)

Edit: also considering mass effect was an end of a trilogy I was expecting much more effort than what was put in dragon age origins ending

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 09 février 2013 - 06:23 .

[Jadebaby]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Says the one that needs to turn to game files and BioWare statements to back up what happens in-game...

I don't "need to turn" to anything, since the best evidence in-game or otherwise backs up my view. But it sure is nice that the most plausible meta-game evidence points clearly to him being alive, to be sure.

Stopped reading there, who disputes that Shepard isn't alive when s/he takes that breath?

[Jared Shepard]

Let's break the "breath scene" down in terms of biology as death arrives.....
If it was Shepard's last breath, it would not have been a sharp inhale as we saw but rather an exhale followed by a fart as his bowels evacuated as happens when people die. How hilarious would that ending have been......Just here for some laughs folks...I'm not a troll I promise.

[k.lalh]

Jared Shepard wrote...

Let's break the "breath scene" down in terms of biology as death arrives.....
If it was Shepard's last breath, it would not have been a sharp inhale as we saw but rather an exhale followed by a fart as his bowels evacuated as happens when people die. How hilarious would that ending have been......Just here for some laughs folks...I'm not a troll I promise.

Man if that happened...Imagine the BSN reaction

[Jared Shepard]

http://social.biowar...8711/249457.jpg

There you go. I'm not being a troll but that pretty much says it all.

[Indy_S]

It *could* be that he survives to give that breath and then dies.

[Jared Shepard]

If you don't believe my link, go back through Tully Ackland's twitter to August 1, 2012 and see for yourself.....Thank You everyone, tip your waitress and bartender.....Goodnight BSN forums!

[mauro2222]

Fanservice that backfired, it seems to correlate with ME3 and not including the fanservice part.

[Indy_S]

Oh, I already believed that the intention was to have Shepard live. The portrayal seemed like a sequel hook which, despite being entirely unnecessary, is a fair way to deal with a character. It undermined some of the themes of the ending and logic really didn't support it and that made it a lot worse. Add in the fact that it spawned a theory that went rabid and dogmatic and it gets an even worse reputation. So that simple scene is a really terrible scene.