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[futurepixels]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Funny that some of you have the audacity to speak of moral compasses. If you picked anything other than Synthesis you're morally bankrupt. How dare you try and lecture others chicken.

Javik wants to show you something near the airlock...

[BearlyHere]

I think part of the reason for making Shepard Space Jesus was they wanted to end the character so the players wouldn't be expecting/demanding Shep in the next ME game. The breath scene is supposed to soothe the pain, "See, maybe we didn't force your character to commit suicide," but it didn't work. A simple slide show would let people put Shepard to rest and go far towards restoring Bioware's reputation, but they haven't done it. Are they really that out of touch, or are they trying to burn down the franchise so they can rebuild it in their latest image?

[Jadebaby]

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

does that mean Shepard bloody survives!? no.

perspective Jade,
also...Preston says he survives you know WHY the interpretation bull**** started

What....?

[crimzontearz]

Jadebaby wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

does that mean Shepard bloody survives!? no.

perspective Jade,
also...Preston says he survives you know WHY the interpretation bull**** started

What....?

Preston...project lead...said Shepard lives. The interpretation BS started because according to bioware's own telemetry no one was picking Mac and Casey's pet endings....seriously jade, I managed to make sense of it so can you

[Kel Riever]

hermiona15 wrote...


Yes, Shepard lives.

Does this mean post ending DLC? 

No.  Not srs.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 09 février 2013 - 11:50 .

[Jadebaby]

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

does that mean Shepard bloody survives!? no.

perspective Jade,
also...Preston says he survives you know WHY the interpretation bull**** started

What....?

Preston...project lead...said Shepard lives. The interpretation BS started because according to bioware's own telemetry no one was picking Mac and Casey's pet endings....seriously jade, I managed to make sense of it so can you

No, the difference between us lies in what you allow yourself to be moved by. If it's not in the game, then it doesn't matter. What their intentions were are completely irrelevant, if they can't convey it in the game then they failed.

If someone told you that they wanted to become a doctor, and at the end of the year they fail the final test, do you give them their diploma because their intention was to pass?

[crimzontearz]

Jadebaby wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

does that mean Shepard bloody survives!? no.

perspective Jade,
also...Preston says he survives you know WHY the interpretation bull**** started

What....?

Preston...project lead...said Shepard lives. The interpretation BS started because according to bioware's own telemetry no one was picking Mac and Casey's pet endings....seriously jade, I managed to make sense of it so can you

No, the difference between us lies in what you allow yourself to be moved by. If it's not in the game, then it doesn't matter. What their intentions were are completely irrelevant, if they can't convey it in the game then they failed.

If someone told you that they wanted to become a doctor, and at the end of the year they fail the final test, do you give them their diploma because their intention was to pass?

I will not argue that their minimalist approach is deplorable because I agree, I will also not argue about the fact that not extending the breath scene is idiotic especially because they did it not to increase the disparity between the ending choices....because I agree, but your analogy is flawed a test is quantifiable....a feeling is not. Blame Mac and Casey, it us their fault....but trust me when I tell you if you just allowed yourself to see things from another perspective you would enjoy the game once more

it helped, for me, that this was what my Ars Magica narrator used to do in between chronicles

[Jadebaby]

I've tried.. Believe me I've tried, but I can't. Not for 5 years worth of ME playthroughs, it's not right.

[crimzontearz]

Jadebaby wrote...

I've tried.. Believe me I've tried, but I can't. Not for 5 years worth of ME playthroughs, it's not right.

if you do you Allow Mac and Casey's hubris to ruin those 5 years AND the work of all those people who worked on the ME series.

are you going to allow that?

[MegaSovereign]

crimzon you don't have enough Paragon points to persuade Jade. Go get some discounts first and then try it again.

[crimzontearz]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

crimzon you don't have enough Paragon points to persuade Jade. Go get some discounts first and then try it again.

I will keep trying....jade is a great individual, passionate and loyal to a fault.....she is worth trying

[MegaSovereign]

Jadebaby wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

does that mean Shepard bloody survives!? no.

perspective Jade,
also...Preston says he survives you know WHY the interpretation bull**** started

What....?

Preston...project lead...said Shepard lives. The interpretation BS started because according to bioware's own telemetry no one was picking Mac and Casey's pet endings....seriously jade, I managed to make sense of it so can you

No, the difference between us lies in what you allow yourself to be moved by. If it's not in the game, then it doesn't matter. What their intentions were are completely irrelevant, if they can't convey it in the game then they failed.

If someone told you that they wanted to become a doctor, and at the end of the year they fail the final test, do you give them their diploma because their intention was to pass?

I agree, but what the game shows us is Shepard taking a breath which is indication of life. You can interpret Shepard dying off-screen if you want, but that's ultimately headcanon and not explicitly shown in-game.

[Jadebaby]

Okay, if I take the breath scene completely alone as is, I think I can deal with it. The problem is... If I'm playing the game and I see everything that comes before that happen, and *then* the breath scene, it just makes me want to hurt someone. And I'm not a violent person by any means....

crimzontearz wrote...

The-Biotic-God wrote...

crimzon you don't have enough Paragon points to persuade Jade. Go get some discounts first and then try it again.

I will keep trying....jade is a great individual, passionate and loyal to a fault.....she is worth trying

PS: Is that you MegaSovereign?

Modifié par Jadebaby, 10 février 2013 - 01:45 .

[Iakus]

Jadebaby wrote...

Okay, if I take the breath scene completely alone as is, I think I can deal with it. The problem is... If I'm playing the game and I see everything that comes before that happen, and *then* the breath scene, it just makes me want to hurt someone. And I'm not a violent person by any means....

That's actually a pretty good way of putting it

[PainCakesx]

It feels like someone came in and shut off the TV before the resolution of a movie.

Usually when someone does that in real life, I become quite agitated.

[Reorte]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

No, the difference between us lies in what you allow yourself to be moved by. If it's not in the game, then it doesn't matter. What their intentions were are completely irrelevant, if they can't convey it in the game then they failed.

If someone told you that they wanted to become a doctor, and at the end of the year they fail the final test, do you give them their diploma because their intention was to pass?

I agree, but what the game shows us is Shepard taking a breath which is indication of life. You can interpret Shepard dying off-screen if you want, but that's ultimately headcanon and not explicitly shown in-game.

The breath under the circumstances shown is someone in a very bad way with very little hope of survival. That is all that you could reliably conlcude if you go purely on logic and what's shown. You have to go beyond that and think "this scene wouldn't be in here, under these circumstances, if that's all there was to it" to come to any other conclusion. The emotional response (at least in me) reacts to what's most probably happening based purely on what's shown, and in terms of satisfaction that trumps the logical side which might be trying to analyse and second-guess the developer (there's only so far you can push me the other way too, emotionally good results that aren't at all logical just kill suspension of disbelief).

[crimzontearz]

Jadebaby wrote...

Okay, if I take the breath scene completely alone as is, I think I can deal with it. The problem is... If I'm playing the game and I see everything that comes before that happen, and *then* the breath scene, it just makes me want to hurt someone. And I'm not a violent person by any means....

crimzontearz wrote...

The-Biotic-God wrote...

crimzon you don't have enough Paragon points to persuade Jade. Go get some discounts first and then try it again.

I will keep trying....jade is a great individual, passionate and loyal to a fault.....she is worth trying

PS: Is that you MegaSovereign?

sorry Jade..no...I am not Megasovereign, it is just me.....

also, the Normandy liftoff is ALSO out of chronological order....yes they ****ed up big time, it is still all Mac and Casey's fault.....do not allow their hubris and ego and pride ruin what the others worked for

[Jadebaby]

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Okay, if I take the breath scene completely alone as is, I think I can deal with it. The problem is... If I'm playing the game and I see everything that comes before that happen, and *then* the breath scene, it just makes me want to hurt someone. And I'm not a violent person by any means....

crimzontearz wrote...

The-Biotic-God wrote...

crimzon you don't have enough Paragon points to persuade Jade. Go get some discounts first and then try it again.

I will keep trying....jade is a great individual, passionate and loyal to a fault.....she is worth trying

PS: Is that you MegaSovereign?

sorry Jade..no...I am not Megasovereign, it is just me.....

also, the Normandy liftoff is ALSO out of chronological order....yes they ****ed up big time, it is still all Mac and Casey's fault.....do not allow their hubris and ego and pride ruin what the others worked for

No, you're letting them win if you accept that crappy scene as anything other than an Easter Egg, like I said, completely seperate I can deal with it, but when it's shown in it's chronological order within the narrative it's frankly appalling. The way I see them winning is if I just accept it.

No, I'm a refuser currently, and if this is all we are getting then MEHEM will help me play through the games again, to hell with the breath scene, I've abandoned it completely.

oh and i meant Biotic-God = MegaSovereign, not you crimzon, you'll always be crimzon to me

Modifié par Jadebaby, 10 février 2013 - 02:21 .

[fiendishchicken]

I'm with Jade here.

We need something more than the breath of life. I want some real closure, something showing Shepard alive, and triumphant.

Supermac and Wonder boy Hudson want us to speculate.

We don't want to speculate.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 10 février 2013 - 02:16 .

[crimzontearz]

Jadebaby wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Okay, if I take the breath scene completely alone as is, I think I can deal with it. The problem is... If I'm playing the game and I see everything that comes before that happen, and *then* the breath scene, it just makes me want to hurt someone. And I'm not a violent person by any means....

crimzontearz wrote...

The-Biotic-God wrote...

crimzon you don't have enough Paragon points to persuade Jade. Go get some discounts first and then try it again.

I will keep trying....jade is a great individual, passionate and loyal to a fault.....she is worth trying

PS: Is that you MegaSovereign?

sorry Jade..no...I am not Megasovereign, it is just me.....

also, the Normandy liftoff is ALSO out of chronological order....yes they ****ed up big time, it is still all Mac and Casey's fault.....do not allow their hubris and ego and pride ruin what the others worked for

No, you're letting them win if you accept that crappy scene as anything other than an Easter Egg, like I said, completely seperate I can deal with it, but when it's shown in it's chronological order within the narrative it's frankly appalling. The way I see them winning is if I just accept it.

No, I'm a refuser currently, and if this is all we are getting then MEHEM will help me play through the games again, to hell with the breath scene, I've abandoned it completely.

they want you to be off put by it, if you were not their perfect lil pet endings would be picked even less.....reacting this way is following the path they tried to lay down for you (reminds you of someone else)? MEHEM is also a VALID visualization of post destroy events according to bioware themselves so by using that you are NOT doing anything wrong actually....you just have a visual to go with it, which us console players do not have the luxury of.

[Jadebaby]

To be blunt, I don't care if they did have a problem with it, and I don't care how "non-canon" it is, the reason for this you ask?

this is why... And I'm okay with that.

[dreamgazer]

I get the frustration, guys, but why would they want to grant satisfaction to those who persistently criticize every ounce of their writing---and not just the endings?

[crimzontearz]

Jadebaby wrote...

To be blunt, I don't care if they did have a problem with it, and I don't care how "non-canon" it is, the reason for this you ask?

this is why... And I'm okay with that.

not my point, all I am saying is that the MEHEM DOES NOT really not modify the ending, it just gives a visualization of what you are allowed to decide happens. Seriously Jade....you can be happy without compromise with it

[RocketManSR2]

dreamgazer wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I got charged $80 and was then told to imagine my own happy ending. This is not acceptable.

So, you were specifically paying $80 for a happy ending?

I think you're in the wrong place, bub.

I'll feed the troll. Yes, I was. Why shouldn't I have thought that would be one of the possible endings? 1 & 2 both had them, so I thought 3 having one was guaranteed with all the right decisions made throughout the trilogy. The Normandy crashing in the original ME3 ending pissed me off big time. I thought that I would hang around because I knew a lot of players wanted more closure and BioWare promised this would be coming in the EC. I'm still waiting for the high-EMS Destroy closure. Maybe they just forgot. Or something. Some ambiguous breath scene was bull**** and deliberately leaving it in was inexcusable.

[Jadebaby]

crimzontearz wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

To be blunt, I don't care if they did have a problem with it, and I don't care how "non-canon" it is, the reason for this you ask?

this is why... And I'm okay with that.

not my point, all I am saying is that the MEHEM DOES NOT really not modify the ending, it just gives a visualization of what you are allowed to decide happens. Seriously Jade....you can be happy without compromise with it

Seriously Crimzon, please don't tell me what I can and can't be happy with. I've tried for almost a year now... If it was ever going to happen it would have.

@Dreamgazer, I don't. I love the rest of it, if I didn't think it was salvagable I wouldn't be here.