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[SgtAmazing]

The best explanation for it that I have heard is the indoctrination theory, but it doesn't matter. BW says Shepard's story is done anyway. So if he is alive or dead doesn't make any difference.

[CronoDragoon]

wright1978 wrote...

What a load of codswollop. Also inaccurate codswollop but then i shouldn't be surprised the only ME3 LI's count as far as their concerned. Also there are variations of destroy where Shep dies so refusing to add exposition/clarification to the only variant where he/she can  live whilst adding tonnes of it for the death variants is just wrong.

Err, what's codswollop? And what's inaccurate about what I or Tully said?

[wright1978]

CronoDragoon wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

What a load of codswollop. Also inaccurate codswollop but then i shouldn't be surprised the only ME3 LI's count as far as their concerned. Also there are variations of destroy where Shep dies so refusing to add exposition/clarification to the only variant where he/she can  live whilst adding tonnes of it for the death variants is just wrong.

Err, what's codswollop? And what's inaccurate about what I or Tully said?

Means nonsense.  As i said LI is not always aboard Normandy and therefore his statement is inaccurate.

[CronoDragoon]

wright1978 wrote...

Means nonsense.  As i said LI is not always aboard Normandy and therefore his statement is inaccurate.

Well, okay, but what happens in the scene when your LI is a non-squadmate? If whoever still doesn't put his name up there then the point of the quote is still accurate.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 07 février 2013 - 08:50 .

[wright1978]

CronoDragoon wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Means nonsense.  As i said LI is not always aboard Normandy and therefore his statement is inaccurate.

Well, okay, but what happens in the scene when your LI is a non-squadmate? If whoever still doesn't put his name up there then the point of the quote is still accurate.

Given his whole statement refers to the LI repeatedly, i think i'm pretty safe in describing it as inaccurate.
Ignoring the LI inaccuracy the general thrust of his point seems to be that it is acceptable to refuse to provide any clarification/closure to live sheps and instead toy with players with further ambiguity which they removed from the other endings. Yet there is no explanation as to why this double standard was deemed acceptbale.

[DirtySHISN0]

fiendishchicken wrote...

BW wants us to speculate.

[Grubas]

I mean, what is the point of adding a breath scene, if not to imply that Shep actually made it?
Of course he is alive,

[Village_Idiot]

Grubas wrote...

I mean, what is the point of adding a breath scene, if not to imply that Shep actually made it?
Of course he is alive,

I agree entirely. I'm hardly naive, but putting in an additional scene to serve as "Shepard's dying breath" seems utterly cynical. Especially seeing as this is a reward for having high EMS.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 07 février 2013 - 09:28 .

[Brug0r]

Anyone notice the Black Mesa-logo on Shepards dog-tag in the breath scene? No? That's because that would have been an easter egg.

The scene's purpose is acting like a safety-net for EA. Just like the Legendary-ending from Halo 3 was to Microsoft. So when the spin-off games starts to earn less and less money ... BANG!!! Mass Effect 4 with Shepard. Nothing else.

Modifié par Brug0r, 07 février 2013 - 09:36 .

[Chris Priestly]

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

[Argolas]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

How can a sharp gasp in be a last breath? As far as I know, a dying breath is always a slow breath out.

[mumba]

Chris Priestly wrote...
The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

So... you pulled an Inception ending? 

[Applepie_Svk]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 07 février 2013 - 10:29 .

[Twilight_Princess]

So why didn't Low EMS have the same thing? If it's both. Why have a destroy where shep is dead and another where he can also be dead anyway other than to rub salt in the wound for those that wanted assurance shep made it and is definitely alive without question?

[N7L4D]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

Cough* or her

[MegaSovereign]

Argolas wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

How can a sharp gasp in be a last breath? As far as I know, a dying breath is always a slow breath out.

Presumably, you're suppose to imagine the exhaling off-screen.

[Rucent]

Twitter is the canon ending.

[Little Princess Peach]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

What do you mean by Shepards first breath after the end or his last breath?, do you mean shepard breaths more than once?

[wright1978]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...


So why didn't Low EMS have the same thing? If it's both. Why have a destroy where shep is dead and another where he can also be dead anyway other than to rub salt in the wound for those that wanted assurance shep made it and is definitely alive without question?

indeed

[Village_Idiot]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...


So why didn't Low EMS have the same thing? If it's both. Why have a destroy where shep is dead and another where he can also be dead anyway other than to rub salt in the wound for those that wanted assurance shep made it and is definitely alive without question?

My point exactly. The scene is a reward for having high EMS. Said reward being "Hey, Shepard's really really dead" makes little sense.

[CosmicGnosis]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

Well, I guess that's cleared up. From the man himself.

By the way, Chris. Would you be interested in revealing what your preferred ending is?

[DirtySHISN0]

I can see why people would believe it is a last breath/waking breath, but i honestly don't think it fits. It looks so tagged on. Makes me think someone watched a film with a cliff hanger the night before and the next day tried to add one in because it looked cool/clever.

It should either be in both destroys or neither, or even better there should only be 1 destroy. Two endings of the same thing within the same catagory conflicting each other doesn't really help.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 07 février 2013 - 09:53 .

[Renmiri1]

Grubas wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

No. It confirms the main protagonist's survival, that's not what I would call an easter egg.

There is no survival confirmation - Bioware has said that it can be taken as a breath from Shepard "waking up" or Shepard's last breath.  They vagued it up on purpose because they want speculations.

This was all stated at a panel during some convention...too lazy to look up a link, my apologies.

That was actually a joke. They did not wanted to talk about the ending(s) at all, screened questions for that purpose.
This guy was a hero.
Asked his question like a boss.

That was at PAX and the person who said it was Bioware's ME writer Chris Helper.

Which according to evil Chris is not a joke but a cannon ending, one of the possible two of the "Destroy" sequence.

[mnomaha]

@Renmiri...Hepler, not Helper. He is very much not a helper.