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[wright1978]

Their claimed reasoning for breath scene makes sense pre EC. Post an extended cut(supposed to deliver clarification/closure) it is just picking on destroy and refusing to add clarification to the ambiguity in that scene alone.

[crimzontearz]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I've seen some people claim that Chris Priestly had stated before the Extended Cut that the breath scene was just an Easter egg. Is this true?

If so, what exactly does this mean? Was the breath scene truly an afterthought? And what did BioWare mean when they stated brefore ME3's release that the best ending was obtainable without multiplayer? It was almost impossible to get the breath scene without it. And what does "best" even mean? "Best" implies a single ending, not a variety.

It was certainly possible to get Synthesis without multiplayer...

In regards to the breath scene


 








Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).


Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started

[clarkusdarkus]

Whats the point in having a last breath when he/she would die anyway not long after,As we don't know where they lay amongst the rubble, How long they are they're for, So if anything it's his/her's last breath. Just because the LI doesn't put the plaque on the memorial wall we would think shepard survives, As how would they know where shepard is? Too many questions come from it and using our headcanon is such a cheap move and makes me think even the writers havent a clue what to do with it. Put yourselves in quite a mess and if you think it will die away when the next ME is close to release is delusional as personally i feel the ending of not just ME3 but shepards story in a trilogy will always taint ME as it's now even cool to do so and had many meme's.

[CosmicGnosis]

crimzontearz wrote...

In regards to the breath scene






Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).


Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started

Well that's interesting. The thing is... I don't know if the current "Shepard lives" ending is worth accepting certain thematic issues that I have with Destroy.

[crimzontearz]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

In regards to the breath scene






Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).


Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started

Well that's interesting. The thing is... I don't know if the current "Shepard lives" ending is worth accepting certain thematic issues that I have with Destroy.

to me it is

[Argolas]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

In regards to the breath scene






Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).


Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started

Well that's interesting. The thing is... I don't know if the current "Shepard lives" ending is worth accepting certain thematic issues that I have with Destroy.

That is perfectly fine, but it would be a huge step already when we could establish that the breath scenes indeed means that Shepard lives.

Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.

[noobcannon]

the fact that they kept the breath scene EXACTLY the same in the extended cut suggests it is far from being just a simple "easter egg"

[eddieoctane]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I've seen some people claim that Chris Priestly had stated before the Extended Cut that the breath scene was just an Easter egg. Is this true?

If so, what exactly does this mean? Was the breath scene truly an afterthought? And what did BioWare mean when they stated brefore ME3's release that the best ending was obtainable without multiplayer? It was almost impossible to get the breath scene without it. And what does "best" even mean? "Best" implies a single ending, not a variety.

It was certainly possible to get Synthesis without multiplayer...

You answered your own question. Eugenics is all the rage in Canadia these days.

[james1976]

fiendishchicken wrote...

BW wants us to speculate.

We don't want to speculate.

Pretty much.  I don't like to speculate.  The truth is all that matters.

[Ieldra]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

In regards to the breath scene






Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).

Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started

Well that's interesting. The thing is... I don't know if the current "Shepard lives" ending is worth accepting certain thematic issues that I have with Destroy.

For me it's not. I can mentally change Shepard's death in my ending, but the thematic issues with Destroy are intrinstic.

It's noteworthy though, that Brenon Holmes called this a "Shepard lives" ending. It was always that to me. I can't imagine that people would actually want their protagonist to die, so this "it's open to interpretation" thing is just an inexplicable refusal to admit what it means.

[Ieldra]

james1976 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
BW wants us to speculate.

We don't want to speculate.

Pretty much.  I don't like to speculate.  The truth is all that matters.

There is no single truth to the story. Everyone's ME universe is different. 

[MegaSovereign]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

In regards to the breath scene






Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).

Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started

Well that's interesting. The thing is... I don't know if the current "Shepard lives" ending is worth accepting certain thematic issues that I have with Destroy.

For me it's not. I can mentally change Shepard's death in my ending, but the thematic issues with Destroy are intrinstic.

It's noteworthy though, that Brenon Holmes called this a "Shepard lives" ending. It was always that to me. I can't imagine that people would actually want their protagonist to die, so this "it's open to interpretation" thing is just an inexplicable refusal to admit what it means.

I'm curious...What thematic issues with Destroy do you speak of?

[Chris Priestly]

Argolas wrote...

Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.

Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.

And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.

[wright1978]

james1976 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

BW wants us to speculate.

We don't want to speculate.

Pretty much.  I don't like to speculate.  The truth is all that matters.

I don't like waiting in line for clarification/closure and finding my ending bowl empty apart from speculation crumbs while they filled the other ending bowls to the brim. Either it should be speculation for everyone or clarification/closure for everyone.

[TheInquisitor]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

I think the scene is pointless in that way. It obviously indicates he is alive, which is further backed up in the extended cut destroy ending where the LI doesn't put his name on the memorial wall. It gives a strong vibe that they will be re-united. I don't know about anyone else but the thought of that being his 'last' breath never even entered my head when I seen it.

And if the next game is set after the events of ME3 (Though not a direct sequel) it should still be addressed in a codex or something.

[cyrslash1974]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

I don't understand, because ME3 Official Guide and Bioware themselves (by way of articles or interview) have both mentionned that the breath scene is the confirmation than Shep is alive (high EMS). Maybe it's different with lower EMS.

[MegaSovereign]

wright1978 wrote...

james1976 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

BW wants us to speculate.

We don't want to speculate.

Pretty much.  I don't like to speculate.  The truth is all that matters.

I don't like waiting in line for clarification/closure and finding my ending bowl empty apart from speculation crumbs while they filled the other ending bowls to the brim. Either it should be speculation for everyone or clarification/closure for everyone.

Shepard's fate =/= entire point of ending

Control and Synthesis had some jarringly ambigious parts to them.

[crimzontearz]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

In regards to the breath scene






Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).

Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started

Well that's interesting. The thing is... I don't know if the current "Shepard lives" ending is worth accepting certain thematic issues that I have with Destroy.

For me it's not. I can mentally change Shepard's death in my ending, but the thematic issues with Destroy are intrinstic.

It's noteworthy though, that Brenon Holmes called this a "Shepard lives" ending. It was always that to me. I can't imagine that people would actually want their protagonist to die, so this "it's open to interpretation" thing is just an inexplicable refusal to admit what it means.

notice....this came after he spoke to Preston about it for clarifications

[Peranor]

I can't help but to think that the game would have been better off without that inane cliffhanger.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

Bullocks. We all know it means he's alive. Showing his last breath would be a waste of time.

[Applepie_Svk]

anorling wrote...



I can't help but to think that the game would have been better off without that inane cliffhanger.

BioWare can always imagine that next game will be success and fans will blindly eat anything what BioWare came up with...

That´s like a worst kind of defense, that imagine whatever you want as long you´ll pay for it... 

[Ieldra]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

In regards to the breath scene






Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).

Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started

Well that's interesting. The thing is... I don't know if the current "Shepard lives" ending is worth accepting certain thematic issues that I have with Destroy.

For me it's not. I can mentally change Shepard's death in my ending, but the thematic issues with Destroy are intrinstic.

It's noteworthy though, that Brenon Holmes called this a "Shepard lives" ending. It was always that to me. I can't imagine that people would actually want their protagonist to die, so this "it's open to interpretation" thing is just an inexplicable refusal to admit what it means.

I'm curious...What thematic issues with Destroy do you speak of?

There are several themes and messages in Destroy I passionately disagree with in the context of the story. Namely "Destroy the abominations and all which is of them, for it will lead us down a path that will destroy what we are" (Romanticism), then "Only organic life is valid life" (sacred nature), and "The Reapers can't get away with this" (karma as justice) and several more. Destroy comes across to me as a choice steeped in traditionalism and Romantic notions about the "natural". The EC compromised the thematic integrity of Destroy so that it's now not quite as sharply defined, but it's still very noticeable.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 février 2013 - 10:53 .

[Steelcan]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).

The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.

Bullocks. We all know it means he's alive. Showing his last breath would be a waste of time.

. Exactly.  There is no reason to show someone who was just blown up dying.  But showing them alive requires something extra.  Like a little scene confirming it.

[Argolas]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.

Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.

And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.

I consider this post by Tully Ackland and some tweets from Jessica Merizan pretty clear about Shepard's fate in that ending, but I guess I am fine with different interpretations although I may not understand them. Thanks for responding anyway.

[futurepixels]

Yeah, this is definitive:

"This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct."