MegaSovereign wrote...
Shepard's fate =/= entire point of ending
Control and Synthesis had some jarringly ambigious parts to them.
. I don't get that at all. I see Destroy as rejecting the cycles. It affirms the galaxy's right to self determinate, synthetics included.Ieldra2 wrote...
There are several themes and messages in Destroy I passionately disagree with in the context of the story. Namely "Destroy the abominations and all which is of them, for it will lead us down a path that will destroy what we are" (Romanticism), then "Only organic life is valid life" (sacred nature), and "The Reapers can't get away with this" (karma as justice) and several more. Destroy comes across to me as a choice steeped in traditionalism and Romantic notions about human nature. The EC compromised the thematic integrity of Destroy so that it's now not quite as sharply defined, but it's still very noticeable.
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Bullocks. We all know it means he's alive. Showing his last breath would be a waste of time.Chris Priestly wrote...
I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).
The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.
Argolas wrote...
I consider this post by Tully Ackland and some tweets from Jessica Merizan pretty clear about Shepard's fate in that ending, but I guess I am fine with different interpretations although I may not understand them.
Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 février 2013 - 11:03 .
futurepixels wrote...
Yeah, this is definitive:
"This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct."
Steelcan wrote...
Exactly. There is no reason to show someone who was just blown up dying. But showing them alive requires something extra. Like a little scene confirming it.
Ieldra2 wrote...
There are several themes and messages in Destroy I passionately disagree with in the context of the story. Namely "Destroy the abominations and all which is of them, for it will lead us down a path that will destroy what we are" (Romanticism), then "Only organic life is valid life" (sacred nature), and "The Reapers can't get away with this" (karma as justice) and several more. Destroy comes across to me as a choice steeped in traditionalism and Romantic notions about human nature. The EC compromised the thematic integrity of Destroy so that it's now not quite as sharply defined, but it's still very noticeable.MegaSovereign wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
For me it's not. I can mentally change Shepard's death in my ending, but the thematic issues with Destroy are intrinstic.CosmicGnosis wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
In regards to the breath scene
Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).
Take it as you will, this came to me after he spoke to Preston about it AND before the interpretation crap started
Well that's interesting. The thing is... I don't know if the current "Shepard lives" ending is worth accepting certain thematic issues that I have with Destroy.
It's noteworthy though, that Brenon Holmes called this a "Shepard lives" ending. It was always that to me. I can't imagine that people would actually want their protagonist to die, so this "it's open to interpretation" thing is just an inexplicable refusal to admit what it means.
I'm curious...What thematic issues with Destroy do you speak of?
Steelcan wrote...
I don't know about you guys but I never said good bye to my LI on the Beam run, and she wasnt at the memorial scene
. Doesn't matter. there is zero reason to show him dying in a short scene. It's only purpose is to shoe Shepard's survival, no matter how illogicalo Ventus wrote...
Which is well and good.
Except the breath scene is one of the most illogical things to occur in the game. Shepard has:
-Soaked a near miss by Harbinger (possible fragmentation, as well as the immense heat from Harbinger's gun)
-3rd degree burns from his or her armor melting while being worn
-Shot in the shoulder by Marauder Shields (which could lead to Shepard bleeding out due to lack of kinetic barriers)
-Profuse bleeding after the Illusive Man confrontation
-Walking into the explosion after shooting the tube (which is later seen decimating the entire presidium)
He should be more dead than he was when Miranda brought him back with Lazarus. At least then they had tissue to clone. Here, there shouldn't even BE anything left to breathe.
Steelcan wrote...
I don't know about you guys but I never said good bye to my LI on the Beam run, and she wasnt at the memorial scene
o Ventus wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Exactly. There is no reason to show someone who was just blown up dying. But showing them alive requires something extra. Like a little scene confirming it.
Which is well and good.
Except the breath scene is one of the most illogical things to occur in the game. Shepard has:
-Soaked a near miss by Harbinger (possible fragmentation, as well as the immense heat from Harbinger's gun)
-3rd degree burns from his or her armor melting while being worn
-Shot in the shoulder by Marauder Shields (which could lead to Shepard bleeding out due to lack of kinetic barriers)
-Profuse bleeding after the Illusive Man confrontation
-Walking into the explosion after shooting the tube (which is later seen decimating the entire presidium)
He should be more dead than he was when Miranda brought him back with Lazarus. At least then they had tissue to clone. Here, there shouldn't even BE anything left to breathe.
Modifié par futurepixels, 07 février 2013 - 11:01 .
Steelcan wrote...
. I don't get that at all. I see Destroy as rejecting the cycles. It affirms the galaxy's right to self determinate, synthetics included.Ieldra2 wrote...
There are several themes and messages in Destroy I passionately disagree with in the context of the story. Namely "Destroy the abominations and all which is of them, for it will lead us down a path that will destroy what we are" (Romanticism), then "Only organic life is valid life" (sacred nature), and "The Reapers can't get away with this" (karma as justice) and several more. Destroy comes across to me as a choice steeped in traditionalism and Romantic notions about human nature. The EC compromised the thematic integrity of Destroy so that it's now not quite as sharply defined, but it's still very noticeable.
I suppose some people enjoy interpreting it as a last breath in order to
make it feel like a "heroic sacrifice", and I'm sure thinking about
Shepard's death being unavoidable factors into the decision-making
process of some control and synthesis supporters.
I don't like it, since it is incredily disappointing storytelling, but I get it.
Chris Priestly wrote...
The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.
All choices end the cycle, so that doesn't count.Steelcan wrote...
. I don't get that at all. I see Destroy as rejecting the cycles. It affirms the galaxy's right to self determinate, synthetics included.Ieldra2 wrote...
There are several themes and messages in Destroy I passionately disagree with in the context of the story. Namely "Destroy the abominations and all which is of them, for it will lead us down a path that will destroy what we are" (Romanticism), then "Only organic life is valid life" (sacred nature), and "The Reapers can't get away with this" (karma as justice) and several more. Destroy comes across to me as a choice steeped in traditionalism and Romantic notions about the "natural". The EC compromised the thematic integrity of Destroy so that it's now not quite as sharply defined, but it's still very noticeable.
iakus wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.
As I've said before, it's a pity that the one ending where Shepard "lives" has to be interpreted as such by the player, when every other ending has Shepard explicitly dying.
Auld Wulf wrote...
It was meant to be his last breath, representing the melancholy of the ending and lamenting Shepard's insanity. That's why you'll only see it as a part of Destroy. The geth are dead, EDI is dead, all of the civilisations preserved by the reaper consensus are dead, the best hope for rebuilding what's been lost has been blown into the aether...
What's left? If people discover Shepard's inclination toward's mass genocide, then he's going to be remembered as a heartless savage, an implacatable monster driven more by his bloodlust than anything else. It's a truly undignified ending, a man dying alone for his sins. And he does die alone. Think about it, it makes sense.
Synthesis Shepard creates a lasting peace, galactic empathy, and a better life and future for all.
Control Shepard ends up leading the reaper consensus.
Destroy Shepard just dies, cold and alone.
Each represents their choice.
lol no...devs say otherwise....troll harderAuld Wulf wrote...
It was meant to be his last breath, representing the melancholy of the ending and lamenting Shepard's insanity. That's why you'll only see it as a part of Destroy. The geth are dead, EDI is dead, all of the civilisations preserved by the reaper consensus are dead, the best hope for rebuilding what's been lost has been blown into the aether...
What's left? If people discover Shepard's inclination toward's mass genocide, then he's going to be remembered as a heartless savage, an implacatable monster driven more by his bloodlust than anything else. It's a truly undignified ending, a man dying alone for his sins. And he does die alone. Think about it, it makes sense.
Synthesis Shepard creates a lasting peace, galactic empathy, and a better life and future for all.
Control Shepard ends up leading the reaper consensus.
Destroy Shepard just dies, cold and alone.
Each represents their choice.
Grubas wrote...
What is the point for a last-breath-scene anyway?
Steelcan wrote...
I don't get that at all. I see Destroy as rejecting the cycles. It affirms the galaxy's right to self determinate, synthetics included.
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