TurianRebel212 wrote...
I'm not bitter. I don't care anymore. I'm only playing ME3 for the multiplayer. It's great and my friends play it to, including my cousin who just starting ME3. So I'll play it for that. I'm over ME3- when I say ME3 I mean the SP. It's over. I've moved on. And other's that are holding on should to.
Let it go.
Documental wrote...
TurianRebel212 wrote...
I'm not bitter. I don't care anymore. I'm only playing ME3 for the multiplayer. It's great and my friends play it to, including my cousin who just starting ME3. So I'll play it for that. I'm over ME3- when I say ME3 I mean the SP. It's over. I've moved on. And other's that are holding on should to.
Let it go.
The fact that you keep saying that "I'm over it, I don't care anymore" is a good indication that you aren't and you are trying to get others onto your side because you disagree with how ME3 ended and want to feel vindicated by getting others to agree with you.
I don't have a problem with that. People are free to think and feel about it however they want. This is just my take on the situation (with the second sentence above being my interpretation of Bioware's position).Reorte wrote...
Considering that by all odds someone in that situation most certainly would end up dead and the only reason for even considering otherwise is by second-guessing why the scene is in there (and that's an utterly poor mechanism for interpreting a story) then it's understandable why a lot of people are still very unhappy about it. Why do you have a problem with that?DeinonSlayer wrote...
There are people who insist on interpreting it as a last breath. Why waste time and energy fighting them when you can simply throw up your hands and tell them to believe what they want? People who to this day push for an extended extended cut interpret everything as negatively as possible to try to regain the momentum they once had. In the pre-EC version, there was a lot more breathing space (if you'll pardon the expression) for speculation about mass starvation and an incestuous Normandy colony.
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 08 février 2013 - 01:18 .
Reorte wrote...
No it isn't. I spent much of the game struggling badly because I'd spent all my money on women instead of gear. That was frustrating.TurianRebel212 wrote...
Go play Witcher 2, it's amazing on every level.
Shaleist wrote...
Reorte wrote...
No it isn't. I spent much of the game struggling badly because I'd spent all my money on women instead of gear. That was frustrating.TurianRebel212 wrote...
Go play Witcher 2, it's amazing on every level.
See your choices DO matter in game.
iakus wrote...
Some Gamer Guy wrote...
If you have high EMS (3100+), and choose Destroy, and then get the breath scene, you can reject it as meaning he lived. Maybe you want your Shepard to make the ultimate sacrifice.
That's when the breath scene becomes his last breath. It means the game isn't necessarily enforcing Shepard's survival onto you.
So where's the option/implication for Shepard to survive in Control or Synthesis? Why does Destroy have to share?
it is also absurd to ignore EA's influence...especially after some third parties who worked on other games pretty much came out right away pointing out some of the BSDocumental wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
he is not entirely wrongDocumental wrote...
TurianRebel212 wrote...
Squallypo wrote...
hehe lost faith in eaware fully, well time to explore new developers i guessthat doesnt mean i wont keep an eye around, not hating just displeased.
check out Cdprojekt red, Their a real developer of action RPG's that actually care abou their fanbase. It's best to leave good game development to the pros, not a Subsidiarity[/b] of a publisher that's biggest franchises are sport's games. Just sayin'
Wow, the bitterness just flows through you.
I just think it is absurd that people think BioWare don't care about their fans, it's been pretty bloody obvious in the past year that they do care about their fans.
Some Gamer Guy wrote...
iakus wrote...
Some Gamer Guy wrote...
If you have high EMS (3100+), and choose Destroy, and then get the breath scene, you can reject it as meaning he lived. Maybe you want your Shepard to make the ultimate sacrifice.
That's when the breath scene becomes his last breath. It means the game isn't necessarily enforcing Shepard's survival onto you.
So where's the option/implication for Shepard to survive in Control or Synthesis? Why does Destroy have to share?
I don't know. Synthesis sorta makes sense, because Shepard's cells have to be dispersed throughout the cosmos. With Control, you'd think Harbinger would be able to copy Shepard's brain patterns without it killing him.
Modifié par IronSabbath88, 08 février 2013 - 01:49 .
Chris Priestly wrote...
Argolas wrote...
Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.
Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.
And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.
Possibly because those fans abandoned any sense of proportion of what abandonment actually is.iakus wrote...
Some Gamer Guy wrote...
iakus wrote...
Some Gamer Guy wrote...
If you have high EMS (3100+), and choose Destroy, and then get the breath scene, you can reject it as meaning he lived. Maybe you want your Shepard to make the ultimate sacrifice.
That's when the breath scene becomes his last breath. It means the game isn't necessarily enforcing Shepard's survival onto you.
So where's the option/implication for Shepard to survive in Control or Synthesis? Why does Destroy have to share?
I don't know. Synthesis sorta makes sense, because Shepard's cells have to be dispersed throughout the cosmos. With Control, you'd think Harbinger would be able to copy Shepard's brain patterns without it killing him.
Pont is, the game is enforcing Shepard's survival, or lack of it
Choose Synthesis=Shepard dies
Choose Control=Shepard dies
Choose Refuse=Shepard dies
Choose Destroy with EMS<3100=Shepard dies
Choose Destroy with an EMS of 3100 or more, and Bioware will graciously allow you to interpret Shepard's survival
And Bioware is confused that EC didn't provide clarity and closure to folks? This could have been resolved with five seconds of extra footage. A single line of dialogue in the right plave. One ending slide. Why did dead SHepards get closure, and live SHepards got stuck with "implications"?
Why did Bioware abandon their fans?
You can, however, jump from an NCO rank to an officer rank in various militiaries. In the British Army, you can even do the training in far less than six months, going from NCO to Captain.eddieoctane wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
Argolas wrote...
Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.
Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.
And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.
As someone who worked in an emergency room and actually witnessed multiple dyign breaths, what we saw from Shep in the post-destroy cutscene was not someone giving into oblivion. It's a bit more like what happens when someone suddenly regains consciousness after having several hundred joules of electricity pumped into their chest. It's not a matter of interpretation, it's biology.
In any future games, BioWare really should get some consultants to help make things more acurate. Case in point: Ashley's promotion. Senior enlisted to become commissioned officers. You don't jump 4 ranks in 6 months. Anyone with even the slightest modicum of experience in any nation's military could have told you this.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
You can, however, jump from an NCO rank to an officer rank in various militiaries. In the British Army, you can even do the training in far less than six months, going from NCO to Captain.eddieoctane wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
Argolas wrote...
Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.
Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.
And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.
As someone who worked in an emergency room and actually witnessed multiple dyign breaths, what we saw from Shep in the post-destroy cutscene was not someone giving into oblivion. It's a bit more like what happens when someone suddenly regains consciousness after having several hundred joules of electricity pumped into their chest. It's not a matter of interpretation, it's biology.
In any future games, BioWare really should get some consultants to help make things more acurate. Case in point: Ashley's promotion. Senior enlisted to become commissioned officers. You don't jump 4 ranks in 6 months. Anyone with even the slightest modicum of experience in any nation's military could have told you this.
Modifié par Codename_Code, 08 février 2013 - 02:36 .
Chris Priestly wrote...
I never said it was an Easter Egg (at least, I dont remember ever saying that, and if I did I was wrong, because it is not an Easter egg).
The breath scene is there for fans who want to see Shepard's first breath after the end or his last breath after the end. It is up to the interpretation of the player as to which it is.
Modifié par Codename_Code, 08 février 2013 - 02:36 .
Yeah? And most of our technology is derived from their tech.....o Ventus wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
The only relevant technology that was damaged were the relays, and they're on the priority checklist of the Rebuilding process.
I don't think the Destroy ending implies technological regression. It just means technological progress isn't further accelerated with the help of the Reapers.
The Catalyst tells you to your face that "most" of the technology that people rely on will be destroyed.
Silly people who exagerate and have a propensity for making straw man arguments?iakus wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Possibly because those fans abandoned any sense of proportion of what abandonment actually is.
Yeah silly players expecting to have some explicit "Shepard lives" endings to go with all the explicit "Shepard dies" endings to cap off a trilogy five years in the making. Who do those entitled whiners think they are?
eddieoctane wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
You can, however, jump from an NCO rank to an officer rank in various militiaries. In the British Army, you can even do the training in far less than six months, going from NCO to Captain.eddieoctane wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
Argolas wrote...
Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.
Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.
And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.
As someone who worked in an emergency room and actually witnessed multiple dyign breaths, what we saw from Shep in the post-destroy cutscene was not someone giving into oblivion. It's a bit more like what happens when someone suddenly regains consciousness after having several hundred joules of electricity pumped into their chest. It's not a matter of interpretation, it's biology.
In any future games, BioWare really should get some consultants to help make things more acurate. Case in point: Ashley's promotion. Senior enlisted to become commissioned officers. You don't jump 4 ranks in 6 months. Anyone with even the slightest modicum of experience in any nation's military could have told you this.
1: there's two kinds of captain. You mean the Army/Marine captain, an O-3.
2: NCO starts at E-4. Ashley was an E-9. Her skillset as an elisted nco was too valuable to get a comission. In any miltary. And even if it weren't, the Systems Alliance has a lot more in common with the US military than the English. We don't skip ranks for enlisted who get degress and commissions.
Modifié par SgtAmazing, 08 février 2013 - 02:50 .
Chris Priestly wrote...
Argolas wrote...
Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.
Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.
And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.
Chris Priestly wrote...
Argolas wrote...
Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.
Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.
And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.
Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 08 février 2013 - 03:22 .
Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
Argolas wrote...
Sorry, Chris Priestly, I just can't imagine that this sharp gasp is supposed to be a dying breath. I see only 1 valid interpretation and that is: Shepard lives in that ending. The game files and various other sources (for example Tully Ackland and Jessica Merizan) suggest that too.
Which is fine. That is the point. For you who cannot imagine a different meaning, that is what it means. However, for someone else, it may have a different meaning.
And Tuklly & Jessica have said the same thing as I said. Trust me, we were all together at MGM in London last October and we were asked this on our panel and by the cosplayers we met there.
You and the rest of the staff have to be aware that fans really disliked the ambiguity of that breath scene pre EC right? I mean i remember fondly when Tully made that statement about Shepard being alive, even though people wanted something more concrete, there was a breath of fresh air in the BSN. A lot of people who wanted Shep to be alive, started to accept the breath scene a little. But then you and Epler ruined everything and said,
"Nope it's ambigous. His fate is up to you."
And then bam! We're went back to square one on the issue.
See things like this just adds to the reason why a lot of Bioware's fans believe there's this big disconnect between the devs and fans. I know you can't be totally beholden to us, but this was a very large issue with your loyal fanbase, and something that could've easily been fixed. Even though it wasn't properly addressed in the EC, Tully at least took the proper step to let us know that Shepard is alive, and how he lived is up to the player. But then that was retconned and we're back to "Speculations for Everyone!"
There was no good reason to do that. You and the rest of the staff were fully aware of how much emotional investment the fans had into this series, it's characters and their Shepard. If i'm going to be completely honest, not only was the ending sloppy, but given who your target audience was, Shepard's fate was mean spirited. That may not have been the intention, but it is what it is. Yes there are stories where the protagonists dies, but Mass Effect was suppose to be a story that took the player on a personal journey, and was suppose to give us lots of different endings.
They couldn't have one ending where Shepard comes out alive and flies off into the sunset in the Normandy with his crew? Really? ME3 was suppose to be the end of Shepard's story, with no sequel in mind. So there was no harm in having "wildly different endings" if there were to be outcomes like this.
But god forbid Bioware has their loyal and dedicated fanbase have a fulfilling conclusion to this epic story they were taken on since 2007. Yeah some fans feel that now since the EC released, but so many still have that bitter taste in their mouths either because it was too little too late, or because the EC didn't fix much. And it's a shame.
Modifié par PainCakesx, 08 février 2013 - 03:32 .
. I did not say end the cycles, I said reject. We don't need them. Organics are NOT doomed to synthetics, we do not have to have the reapers watching us to make sure we don't kill ourselves.Ieldra2 wrote...
All choices end the cycle, so that doesn't count.
As for self-determination, Destroy is indeed the choice that emphasizes this more than the others, but it only applies to organics since there are no more synthetics, and it sacrifices advancement for it. It's like DX1's "New Dark Age", another ending which I would never, ever choose, except that the EC retconned the technological regression which should thematically accompany it. Also, this assertion of self-determination destroys the legacy of past cycles, so it buys its autonomy with death and destruction of knowledge. We are only ever completely autonomous if there is nobody left we must accommodate. As I see it, the "unity in diversity" is meaningless if it isn't prepared to accommodate the truly "other".
Note that these are thematic concerns. The military rationale of Destroy I can accept as valid. But nothing else.
Mcfly616 wrote...
Yeah? And most of our technology is derived from their tech.....
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