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DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

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In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


Exploitation is they key to victory though my friend...how are you going to succeed when you give the enemy all of the advantages (I am mostly speaking in general)

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DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

@OP
In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


Thx. I had started doing my vids to teach tactics and team work for the harder difficulties. I also wanted to show that there is never a need to cheat in this game when you can build your skills and also defeat the harder difficulties with teamwork. Speed running has always been another layer of team work that I have always wanted to teach and be taught as well but never had a group willing to help teach. Team AreleX has stepped up and now I am able to do this thanks to them.

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DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

@OP
In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


what cha talking about willis? 

I played with bryan johnson the other day and we were doing speedruns and we were doing the same thing these guys were doing just on another map. 

Modifié par Cricketer15, 08 février 2013 - 07:30 .


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Cricketer15 wrote...

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

@OP
In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


what cha talking about willis? 

I played with bryan johnson the other day and we were doing speedruns and we were doing the same thing these guys were doing just on another map. 


he said it was a poor choice of words. Relax

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Original Stikman wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

@OP
In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


what cha talking about willis? 

I played with bryan johnson the other day and we were doing speedruns and we were doing the same thing these guys were doing just on another map. 


he said it was a poor choice of words. Relax


indeed it was. he should be ashamed and banished from here for even accusing Invaderone and co of exploiting.

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Cricketer15 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

@OP
In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


what cha talking about willis? 

I played with bryan johnson the other day and we were doing speedruns and we were doing the same thing these guys were doing just on another map. 


he said it was a poor choice of words. Relax


indeed it was. he should be ashamed and banished from here for even accusing Invaderone and co of exploiting.


he made a humble and thoughtful post stating his change of heart.

No.

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Original Stikman wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

@OP
In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


what cha talking about willis? 

I played with bryan johnson the other day and we were doing speedruns and we were doing the same thing these guys were doing just on another map. 


he said it was a poor choice of words. Relax


indeed it was. he should be ashamed and banished from here for even accusing Invaderone and co of exploiting.


he made a humble and thoughtful post stating his change of heart.

No.



#108
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Cricketer15 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

@OP
In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


what cha talking about willis? 

I played with bryan johnson the other day and we were doing speedruns and we were doing the same thing these guys were doing just on another map. 


he said it was a poor choice of words. Relax


indeed it was. he should be ashamed and banished from here for even accusing Invaderone and co of exploiting.


he made a humble and thoughtful post stating his change of heart.

No.





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*yawn* -_-

I'm going to bed.

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AreleX isn't dead, he has just ascended...

And gone off to play other games like we all should have done.

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The one thing I would add to this conversation is speed running involves true teamwork. Laying out a strategy with each player having a different role. And flexibly executing by adapting to the changing conditions. Every other way to play the game is largely individually oriented. Score really doesn't matter in a speed run.

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rnc007 wrote...

The one thing I would add to this conversation is speed running involves true teamwork. Laying out a strategy with each player having a different role. And flexibly executing by adapting to the changing conditions. Every other way to play the game is largely individually oriented. Score really doesn't matter in a speed run.


I agree. If anyone decides to be selfish at any one point and go off on their own the entire strategy is done with. With Speed Running that mentality is gone and you have to focus on the tactics and strategy at hand for ultimate success or if not the primary objective (time) would not be obtained. Its a lot of team work, coordination and intelligent team play.

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rnc007 wrote...

The one thing I would add to this conversation is speed running involves true teamwork. Laying out a strategy with each player having a different role. And flexibly executing by adapting to the changing conditions. Every other way to play the game is largely individually oriented. Score really doesn't matter in a speed run.


i have to agree with this. we played a few no rocket jade run. the first few times without any teamwork and strat we were getting early 16s. we then came out with a basic strat and stuck to it with coordination got early 14s. came out with a better strat in our last game of the night and is looking at under 13 or so with decent objective, i believe 13:41 is the fastest plat with no rocket and we are really close to that. Ps. disable device can fk you over on jade alot esp in no rocket run:o

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Geek Fest wrote...

Looks like someone is starting to get a taste for it. We have strategies for all the maps except haven't run Rio or Vancouver on platinum yet.


rio and vancouver. i have strategies planned, need help in around 6 hours to help iron them out and run through them

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_only1biggs_ wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Looks like someone is starting to get a taste for it. We have strategies for all the maps except haven't run Rio or Vancouver on platinum yet.


rio and vancouver. i have strategies planned, need help in around 6 hours to help iron them out and run through them


Give me a time frame. I have a lot of projects today so not sure if I can take a break. Today's really crazy busy for me but I'll try to make it work.

Modifié par INVADERONE, 08 février 2013 - 03:50 .


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You know, I though this was spam from that title.

You should fix that. The "$$$$$" is just...dumb.

That is all *flies away*

Modifié par EntropicAngel, 08 février 2013 - 03:51 .


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INVADERONE wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Looks like someone is starting to get a taste for it. We have strategies for all the maps except haven't run Rio or Vancouver on platinum yet.


rio and vancouver. i have strategies planned, need help in around 6 hours to help iron them out and run through them


Give me a time frame. I have a lot of projects today so not sure if I can take a break. Today's really crazy busy for me but I'll try to make it work.


sometimes i think you struggle to read. i have put it in bold for you above. ar ******

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Biggs is our champion for literacy.

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Geek Fest wrote...

Biggs is our champion for literacy.


damn straight

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_only1biggs_ wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Looks like someone is starting to get a taste for it. We have strategies for all the maps except haven't run Rio or Vancouver on platinum yet.


rio and vancouver. i have strategies planned, need help in around 6 hours to help iron them out and run through them


Give me a time frame. I have a lot of projects today so not sure if I can take a break. Today's really crazy busy for me but I'll try to make it work.


sometimes i think you struggle to read. i have put it in bold for you above. ar ******


******. Im on like three different screens. Its ok. I'll hit you up then punk.

Modifié par INVADERONE, 08 février 2013 - 04:15 .


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Geek Fest wrote...

Biggs is our champion for literacy.

Literacy (or lack thereof) might have been less of a problem than math.  Bahaha

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I'd like to see you guys take on Dagger also. I think we had a record on Gold or close without using rockets. So it would be interesting to see the time on that map with rockets.

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INVADERONE wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Looks like someone is starting to get a taste for it. We have strategies for all the maps except haven't run Rio or Vancouver on platinum yet.


rio and vancouver. i have strategies planned, need help in around 6 hours to help iron them out and run through them


Give me a time frame. I have a lot of projects today so not sure if I can take a break. Today's really crazy busy for me but I'll try to make it work.


sometimes i think you struggle to read. i have put it in bold for you above. ar ******


******. Im on like three different screens. Its ok. I'll hit you up then punk.


i do hope you read my comment with my dry wit in mind. just messing with you

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I enjoy these vids. Thank you guys for making them.

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_only1biggs_ wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Looks like someone is starting to get a taste for it. We have strategies for all the maps except haven't run Rio or Vancouver on platinum yet.


rio and vancouver. i have strategies planned, need help in around 6 hours to help iron them out and run through them


Give me a time frame. I have a lot of projects today so not sure if I can take a break. Today's really crazy busy for me but I'll try to make it work.


sometimes i think you struggle to read. i have put it in bold for you above. ar ******


******. Im on like three different screens. Its ok. I'll hit you up then punk.


i do hope you read my comment with my dry wit in mind. just messing with you


oh God. lol. I know you bro. Youre mr tough love. I know you were secretly saying...INVADERONE...you are my one and only. :wub:

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Cricketer15 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

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DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

@OP
In the previous thread, I mentioned that this spawn-exploitation seemed uncomfortably close to the missile glitch. I think that was a poor choice of words on my part. And I am sorry for that, as it paints you close to cheating, which was not my intent.

Although I still see it as an exploit, after having some time to think about it, and reminiscing on my own Speed Run's of Metroid Prime. I realized that much of the meta-game of Speed Running is founded upon exploitation and sequence breaking. The game is time. Some exploits take a lot of behind-the-scenes groundwork and patience to learn. Some are extremely hard to execute, and require a very deep undemanding of the game. In the end, all the exploits are subservient to gaining speed and lowering time.

From one former speed runner to another, I congratulate your deep understanding of the game's mechanics and your skillful execution.


what cha talking about willis? 

I played with bryan johnson the other day and we were doing speedruns and we were doing the same thing these guys were doing just on another map. 


he said it was a poor choice of words. Relax


indeed it was. he should be ashamed and banished from here for even accusing Invaderone and co of exploiting.


Exploit just means to use something to your advantage, generally in the context of leveraging hidden knowledge, a weakness, or a flaw.

INVADERONE absolutely exploits the games spawning mechanics to his advantage. But that is just simply the nature of speed running, its a meta-game of solving the puzzle of less-time, which often goes hand-in-hand with exploitation.

Calling it an 'exploit' is not inherently negative, although, my original gut reaction to seeing this exploit used to such effectiveness was more negative then positive. My mindset was fearful of the intended-game-play getting ruined by this exploit. But once I shifted my mindset to that of a speed runner, i was able to think clearer. This kind of exploit takes a lot of skill to pull off and requires a very well coordinated group. Standing in the wrong spot, or just looking the wrong direction could mess up the spawns. So in reality this exploit poses absolutely no threat to every day game play.