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[RedArmyShogun]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

PC master race?

It seems like there is no other alternative. That's why I moved anyway and because everything was too simple on a console, I need a challenge besides in the case of consoles simplicity = less options. Honestly I hope the next gen plummets because of this, Microsoft and Sony (and EA too) should stop trying to control whoever buys their products. 

LOL So... the answer to rebel against an always online machine controlled by Microsoft is... to have an always online machine controlled by Microsoft?

Seems legit.

lol thats the sad part about all of this. No matter what Microsoft Wins, well unless you go Sony or Nintendo.

[Volus Warlord]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

"Sources" is not confirmed.

This. Untill we hear directly from MS and Sony themselves, take anything you hear regarding the Nextbox and PS4 with a grain of salt.

They aren't gonna confirm news that tears their system's desirability a new one until release. That's very poor salesmanship.

[ObserverStatus]

Nordicus wrote...
To be perfectly honest, PC gaming does require almost constant internet and you can't really re-sell PC games except super-old ones.

For now, but you can trade licenses over steam, and the European Union's Court of Justice has recently ruled that customers have an unequivocal right to resell used software licenses, and may pressure Steam and Origin to allow their customers to do so.  At least some countries have the guts to stick up for the rights of consumers.

Modifié par bobobo878, 08 février 2013 - 02:33 .

[Hyperglide]

If Microsoft does this then consider me a new Playstation owner. Between having to pay to be online, having no used/rented or borrowed games, and always online DRM, plus probably no backwards compatibility this will be a death knell.

In fact the only reason I got a 360 over PS3 was cause it was a lot cheaper initially, years back.  If Sonys new machine is a modest amount higher compared to the "Durango" at launch then I'm going to Sony all the way.  No if's, ands or buts.

Modifié par Hyperglide, 08 février 2013 - 02:36 .

[Wolfspawn]

I realize this has been said before, but... DAMN, am I glad I'm a PC gamer!

[Wolfspawn]

Hyperglide wrote...

If Microsoft does this then consider me a new Playstation owner. Between having to pay to be online, having no used/rented or borrowed games, and always online DRM, plus probably no backwards compatibility this will be a death knell.

In fact the only reason I got a 360 over PS3 was cause it was a lot cheaper initially, years back.  If Sonys new machine is a modest amount higher compared to the "Durango" at launch then I'm going to Sony all the way.  No if's, ands or buts.

Rumor has it that Sony's doing it too. PC gaming is ultimately the best option if you wish to avoid this.

[RedArmyShogun]

bobobo878 wrote...

Nordicus wrote...
To be perfectly honest, PC gaming does require almost constant internet and you can't really re-sell PC games except super-old ones.

For now, but you can trade licenses over steam, and the European Union's Court of Justice has recently ruled that customers have an unequivocal right to resell used software licenses, and may pressure Steam and Origin to allow their customers to do so.  At least some countries have the guts to stick up for the rights of consumers.

If I'm not right Steam shut the door in that rullings face with its new TOS that states your renting the rights to the properties rather than the properties themselves...I'm positive there was a thread about that on here as I pretty much just went into it to go "LOL TOLD YOU SO".

[Brockololly]

bob_20000 wrote...
Rumor has it that Sony's doing it too. PC gaming is ultimately the best option if you wish to avoid this.

Yup. At this stage in the game though, the nextgen consoles are pretty close to being revealed and likely launched this year. There are tons of rumors and leaks coming out almost daily on hardware specs for the nextgen consoles.


So I wouldn't be surprised if this rumor is true. Its the sort of thing publishers would LOVE and I don't doubt it would force digital downloads more, which publishers would similarly like as well.

[naughty99]

bob_20000 wrote...

Hyperglide wrote...

If Microsoft does this then consider me a new Playstation owner. Between having to pay to be online, having no used/rented or borrowed games, and always online DRM, plus probably no backwards compatibility this will be a death knell.

In fact the only reason I got a 360 over PS3 was cause it was a lot cheaper initially, years back.  If Sonys new machine is a modest amount higher compared to the "Durango" at launch then I'm going to Sony all the way.  No if's, ands or buts.

Rumor has it that Sony's doing it too. PC gaming is ultimately the best option if you wish to avoid this.

The best option if you wish to avoid DRM and play used games? 

Not gonna happen on PC either, although at least we have "offline mode" for most games.

Modifié par naughty99, 08 février 2013 - 03:45 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Brockololly wrote...

bob_20000 wrote...
Rumor has it that Sony's doing it too. PC gaming is ultimately the best option if you wish to avoid this.

Yup. At this stage in the game though, the nextgen consoles are pretty close to being revealed and likely launched this year. There are tons of rumors and leaks coming out almost daily on hardware specs for the nextgen consoles.


So I wouldn't be surprised if this rumor is true. Its the sort of thing publishers would LOVE and I don't doubt it would force digital downloads more, which publishers would similarly like as well.

I can't imagine there would be no recourse at all for rented or used games. I mean... this alone would put a company like Gamefly out of business overnight.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

To give a comparison of how we feel about used games being banned, and I was a pc and console gamer before my ex took my damn pc...imagine that from now on, every single game you have requires GFWL. Every single one.

That's how much we don't want it.

[DiebytheSword]

People talk about flocking to the PC, but ultimately the PC has had this stuff locked down for ages: CD Keys, activations, always online nonsense.

You can't escape it going to the master race. The difference on PC is that we get Steam sales, and sub $10 games now and again, brand new, never before owned. The consoles will have to expect to let go of their always $60 price point. They'll figure it out once the whole market implodes on them.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Hyperglide wrote...

If Microsoft does this then consider me a new Playstation owner. Between having to pay to be online, having no used/rented or borrowed games, and always online DRM, plus probably no backwards compatibility this will be a death knell.

In fact the only reason I got a 360 over PS3 was cause it was a lot cheaper initially, years back.  If Sonys new machine is a modest amount higher compared to the "Durango" at launch then I'm going to Sony all the way.  No if's, ands or buts.

I agree, and couldn't agree more. Despite the fact that PS4 will also be slightly more powerful, the used game restriction by Durango makes the PS4 an absolute no-brainer, "duh" purchase...if PS4 isn't doing the same thing. They patented the tech for it but may have just wanted it in the archive.

Edge claims their source is accurate, and GameStop's stock took a dive. Also, a GameStop spokesman gave a pretty funny public comment.

[ObserverStatus]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Nordicus wrote...
To be perfectly honest, PC gaming does require almost constant internet and you can't really re-sell PC games except super-old ones.

For now, but you can trade licenses over steam, and the European Union's Court of Justice has recently ruled that customers have an unequivocal right to resell used software licenses, and may pressure Steam and Origin to allow their customers to do so.  At least some countries have the guts to stick up for the rights of consumers.

If I'm not right Steam shut the door in that rullings face with its new TOS that states your renting the rights to the properties rather than the properties themselves...I'm positive there was a thread about that on here as I pretty much just went into it to go "LOL TOLD YOU SO".

Eh, what can I say, maybe someone will sue them and the EU will call BS on their TOS.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

The writer from Forbes had a good article on this. I enjoy reading his views...pretty decent.

[SafetyShattered]

legion999 wrote...

 If true I certainly won't be buying next gen.

Amen to that.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Certainly have no qualms with the banning of second hand games. That **** cheated devs out of their money and gave it to companies that will likely be superseded by digital distribution in the next decade.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

PC master race?

It seems like there is no other alternative. That's why I moved anyway and because everything was too simple on a console, I need a challenge besides in the case of consoles simplicity = less options. Honestly I hope the next gen plummets because of this, Microsoft and Sony (and EA too) should stop trying to control whoever buys their products. 

LOL So... the answer to rebel against an always online machine controlled by Microsoft is... to have an always online machine controlled by Microsoft?

Seems legit.

Do you know any better options? At least with a PC I don't have some company telling me what I should do, how I should play and buy my games. Besides, that's not the only reason I moved to PC. 

[Wolfspawn]

This may sound rather selfish, but personally, I would prefer an outright ban of used games over this. Why? Because I have honestly never bought a used game or rented a game in years. My reasoning against this is: What if your console breaks down? Get a new one, right? But what about the, say, 50+ games you have? You can't use them; your console won't play them. You can't even sell your games and buy most of them back somewhere else. There has got to be a better way to fix the entire used games "blight" (it really isn't, but whatever). For example, have some sort of policy where a portion of the profits made from a rented or used game has to go toward the companies involved with the game. That would solve this "problem" better and FASTER than this total and utter bullsh*t!

Modifié par bob_20000, 08 février 2013 - 06:15 .

[MerinTB]

bob_20000 wrote...
For example, have some sort of policy where a portion of the profits made from a rented or used game has to go toward the companies involved with the game. That would solve this "problem" better and FASTER than this total and utter bullsh*t!

A portion of the profits DO.  The rental companies BUY copies of the games so they can rent them out.  It's a big chunk (whether a minority or majority) of the game sales.  If the rental places can't buy the games in bulk, more sales will likely be lost (all those rental copies purchased) than gained from people unable to rent buying new.  Also, games for rent are bought new--but if the ability to rent is gone, those who rent usually have tight budgets and will wait for sales before buying the game.  Less front-loaded sales.

For used games, again, the used game market keeps those "game only" stores afloat.  Game stores help sell games.  And those used copies were purchased once and, by law, legally resold.  The game company got the money for the sale.

A harder thing to figure out is the effect being able to sell a game affects how many more games are bought new with the buyers knowing they can trade in games if they don't like them or to get other games.  If they can't rent the game, or trade the game in, gamers with less money (or even ones just worried about wasting money) are less likely to buy games they aren't 100% sure they want to own and will love.  I fully believe that there would be a bigger decrease in sales from the "impulse" buyers who know they can resell or trade in their games than you'd gain from "I can't get it used so I will just buy it new" added sales.  I can't know for certain that it is true, but I think it's likely to be so.

[Wolfspawn]

MerinTB wrote...

*snip*

Damn! Now I feel like an idiot. I was rather skeptical of the information already carved into my mind. But I posted it anyway.

Anyway, my point still stands. There are better ways to prevent this "problem" than what they're doing. Ideally, they wouldn't even give a f*ck.

[TheBlackBaron]

bob_20000 wrote...

PC gaming is ultimately the best option if you wish to avoid this.

... By going to a platform that has increasingly turned to digital distribution, which often requires an internet connection and prevents reselling of games? 

The PC master race won't save you when it's -already doing the same thing-. 

[Wolfspawn]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

bob_20000 wrote...

PC gaming is ultimately the best option if you wish to avoid this.

... By going to a platform that has increasingly turned to digital distribution, which often requires an internet connection and prevents reselling of games? 

The PC master race won't save you when it's -already doing the same thing-. 

Yes, but when a PC breaks down, you can just reinstall your games (assuming a game doesn't use SecuROM). When the Durango or the Playstation 4 will break down, you'll have to buy your games all over again, unless Microsoft and Sony somehow keeps this from happening. A PC gamer (I only call them the master race when I'm joking) would not have such a thing happen. Also, digital distribution has never bothered me. Maybe it's just me.

Modifié par bob_20000, 08 février 2013 - 06:56 .

[Lenimph]

Thank the maker I made my desktop... thank the maker...

[TheBlackBaron]

bob_20000 wrote...

Yes, but when a PC breaks down, you can just reinstall your games (assuming a game doesn't use SecuROM). When the Durango or the Playstation 4 will break down, you'll have to buy your games all over again, unless Microsoft and Sony somehow keeps this from happening.

I suspect that's the point of having an always online requirement, assuming any of this is true - to keep a record of games activated on an account and allow them to be redownloaded. Believe it or not, Microsoft and Sony has smart people working on this stuff, people whose job it is to think through all the ramifications. 

Also, digital distribution has never bothered me. Maybe it's just me.

As an avid user of Steam and GOG sales, I agree.