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[sympathy4sarenreturns]

J. Reezy wrote...

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Latest rumor is that Kinect will be needed at all times. I don't buy that one, though.

Yeah I don't think Microsoft is THAT stupid.

On another note, are you ever gonna change the topic title to something more correct?

Sure I'll change it again.

[LPPrince]

Oh good cause we've been making fun with "semi-confirmed rumors" over in the DA3 meme thread. No hostility, just happy happy fun times.

[Seboist]

Jayne126 wrote...

PC for general gaming.
PS for J-Stuff.

Way to go.

*thumbs up*

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

LPPrince wrote...

Oh good cause we've been making fun with "semi-confirmed rumors" over in the DA3 meme thread. No hostility, just happy happy fun times.

Haha. I don't blame you or them...it was a funny name. Make sure I still get credit, though!

[Neoleviathan]

I have some questions about these features. Hopefully its fine that I ressurected this thread for that...

 The always on DRM/ anti-used game features the new systems are rumored to have. 
Why would a system have these features? As opposed to individual game developers, if these features are going to be a reality then shouldn't that be something in the power of a developer to decide?
There are some developers who embrace pirating, & others who are vehemently against it. Do these features take away choice & power from devs? Or will they be able to keep their products unaffected by the system's features, if they'd want?

Modifié par Neoleviathan, 27 février 2013 - 09:45 .

[Volkai7]

If used games are locked out with physical media, either the platform flops altogether or digital download sales become the norm.

However, I suspect it is far more likely that what will occur will be Microsoft essentially supplanting the now-common Online Pass system, where a new game comes with a Microsoft-supplied registration code required for either using the game at all, or utilizing the Xbox Live aspects of the game, and used game purchases will be encouraged or obligated to purchase such a code from Microsoft at a cost of $5-$15.

This system would dampen the used game market without killing it, alleviating (somewhat) the potential outrage Microsoft would have to deal with from entities such as GameStop.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

I couldn't care less if Microsoft does it now. I'm going to go PS4. As long as they...PS4... don't. It would actually be kind of funny if they did it...they would receive backlash so nasty and losses so massive that it would essentially cripple their gaming division. And it would all be self-induced.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

New article from an executive at Eidos, makers of Deus Ex: Human Revolution, says Durango will have always on DRM, will require internet connection and block used games.

I tried to provide a link but my phone won't let me paste it.


 

[The Love Runner]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

New article from an executive at Eidos, makers of Deus Ex: Human Revolution, says Durango will have always on DRM, will require internet connection and block used games.

I tried to provide a link but my phone won't let me paste it.


 

Here it is:

http://www.gameinfor...rked-discs.aspx

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Thanks, Galactic.

[Boiny Bunny]

Personally, I don't really care whether used games are blocked or not - but it would be suicide for one of Microsoft or Sony to do it, and not the other...

[xAmilli0n]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

New article from an executive at Eidos, makers of Deus Ex: Human Revolution, says Durango will have always on DRM, will require internet connection and block used games.

I tried to provide a link but my phone won't let me paste it.

If this ends up being true, I give it a few months before someone figures how to crack the DRM or mod the console to play used games.

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Personally, I don't really care whether used games are blocked or not - but it would be suicide for one of Microsoft or Sony to do it, and not the other...

Any word on Sony doing this?  Because if they aren't, I know which console I will be favoring.  And as you said, its suicide for the console who does it, if the other doesn't.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

I'm praying Sony doesn't. I'll buy it in a heartbeat. I plan on it anyways even though I own a 360 now...just waiting true word from Sony. Word is there is always on DRM for Durango, too. Coinciding always on internet connection. Always on Kinect. Hahaha Microsoft. Yes, Fast Jimmy, its only semi-confirmed now. Lolz.

What has me feeling good about Sony is a top-top guy's comments. It will indeed be suicide. And I'm not going to feel one shred of sympathy when it tanks catastrophically.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 28 février 2013 - 12:55 .

[Shadow Wrought]

Hrmm... Looks like the next console i get will probably be the console valve is working on. (If anything... I have a good gaming PC so i dont see any need toget a console anyway) ... Never been a fan of Sony and Microsoft has been digging its grave in my eyes for the last couple months... Ah well..

[Gatt9]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

I'm praying Sony doesn't. I'll buy it in a heartbeat. I plan on it anyways even though I own a 360 now...just waiting true word from Sony. Word is there is always on DRM for Durango, too. Coinciding always on internet connection. Always on Kinect. Hahaha Microsoft. Yes, Fast Jimmy, its only semi-confirmed now. Lolz.

What has me feeling good about Sony is a top-top guy's comments. It will indeed be suicide. And I'm not going to feel one shred of sympathy when it tanks catastrophically.

Sony will use the Rental Model.  New games will be streamed over Gaikai for the first 30-90 days,  and only then released to physical media.  It lets them walk that fine line between what Publishers want,  and what Gamers want,  without going full digital or DRM.

Edit:

You can infer that if you read their commentary on locked consoles,  and then contemplate why they bought Gaikai.  It doesn't make any sense for just reselling old games,  it's an enourmous amount of money for a low profit stream.  It makes a enourmous amount of sense if you think about the Rental Model.

Modifié par Gatt9, 28 février 2013 - 01:59 .

[Il Divo]

J. Reezy wrote...

Eh, I have no interest in the DLC exclusivity consoles seem to benefit from. I'm not talking about temporary exclusivity such as that. The mindset is there because long term exclusivity has a certain advantage to it.  Ask anyone who bought a Xbox 360 for Halo 3, a Nintendo Wii for Mario and Zelda, or a PlayStation 3 for Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War, blah blah blah more good games blah blah. Those are games you, most likely, won't be seeing on other consoles. It seems people are still indulging in rare gaming experiences. Unless you know something I don't know and I'll be able to pick up Little Big Planet, God of War and Metal Gear Solid on Xbox 360 soon.

That's my mindset as well. Initially, I went to Xbox because they were the only console I could get Bioware games on (KotOR, Jade Empire, ME1). Now, that's no longer the case. Halo aside, Xbox doesn't have any exclusives that interest me anymore. Playstation on the other hand has a diverse range of games I want to try like Uncharted, God of War, Heavy Rain's spiritual successor, The Last Guardian (if ever released), etc.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Broadband in America. I'm gonna enjoy the crash.

[Degs29]

Requiring a constant internet connection is insane! Internet outages or intermittent signal is the norm in many rural areas. The internet just isn't always reliable. I can see a big backlash from this if it happens.

My experiences with Sony leave a lot to be desired, but if Microsoft adopts this strategy and Sony doesn't, a switchover might just be in order. Or, maybe I'll focus more on my new gaming comp. I hope both Microsoft and Sony realize how much these two issues affect their customers and act accordingly.

[rwilli80]

I can't believe people are still buying into these "rumors". I am pretty sure Microsoft didn't climb to the top of the computer industry by being stupid. Greedy yes, ruthless yes, but stupid I don't think so.

[Gatt9]

Degs29 wrote...

Requiring a constant internet connection is insane! Internet outages or intermittent signal is the norm in many rural areas. The internet just isn't always reliable. I can see a big backlash from this if it happens.

My experiences with Sony leave a lot to be desired, but if Microsoft adopts this strategy and Sony doesn't, a switchover might just be in order. Or, maybe I'll focus more on my new gaming comp. I hope both Microsoft and Sony realize how much these two issues affect their customers and act accordingly.

Keep in mind,  from their point-of-view,  even if there's a backlash they would make more money than they do today.

First we need to look at a Gamespot article...

http://www.gamespot....s-study-6343451

From Microsoft's point of view,  even if everyone in Rural areas don't buy their console,  because they're sparsely populated,  the offset from forcing the 56% of city dwellers to all buy new more than pays for the lost rural customers.  New York City alone probably makes up for several states worth of rural customers.

MS could easily believe they can achieve that.  You and I know it's not true,  but much like EA,  MS probably believes that they can do whatever they want and Gamers will keep buying their product.

It'll be really interesting to see how this all plays out,  but that article alone should give everyone a good idea of why these companies believe they can do this.  Especially when you stop to consider,  even if every one of that 56% walks,  they don't lose anything and actually save money.  Because that 56% bought a console they were selling at a loss,  and never payed for a single game to mitigate that loss.

Of course,  as I said earlier,  we all know this is going to have bigger ramifications.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

It's going to be very fun to watch. Because the failure would be well deserved. It's not just gamers or wishful thinking that they will fail. It's common sense. And backed up and claimed by many economists and analysts as well.

Forcefully removing a much consumer desired, multi-billion dollar, legal and commonplace and legitimate market when alternatives exist in PS4 and Wii U.

A co-worker of mine is a casual gamer. The definition of one. Awesome, cool dude. Likes to game casually. I asked him if he's pumped for next gen. HE BROUGHT UP BLOCKED USED GAMES TO ME.

Parents aren't gonna waste time with DRM and internet connection and the hassle of it all for their little kids casual hobby in their busy lives. Let alone core gamers and the massive used market and the legal right to resell their purchased property.

Let's discuss that. In America, offer+acceptance+consideration= contract. Ownership rights transfer. New owner, purchaser, goes to resell. Can't resell, because of verification codes blocking and 'destroying' ability to resell.

This contradicts basic federal statutes of what a contract is, and to boot, gives the consumer and purchaser a means of nullifying said contract through the resale destruction of property by the seller.

America's courts need to look at this.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

They want to bend the meaning of a purchase contract. I'm curious what case law exists on the matter, and what Shepardizing of said case law entails. The American courts will crack down hard when such laws are bent. And, as I said, destruction of purchased goods by the seller in a contract is grounds for nullification of the purchase contract. It's simple, basic law. Simple. If by going to resell a purchased game the seller destroys the ability to resell, it not only is vandalism, but destruction of consideration, voiding the original purchase contract.

Knock, knock, civil court system.

Imagine, for instance, car companies wanting to eliminate used car sales. They put a verification code into the engine of the car so it cannot be resold. Does the person who bought the car have ownership of the car? They have possession, but ownership? Contracts detail ownership and possession, and while ownership can be without possession, ownership is always prevelant.

The only way this can be legally done is if they lease games for you to play. But if in any offer of purchase the word "buy" is shown, it is an offer of unconditional purchase under contract law.

Not advice, my analysis. For I am not a lawyer.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 01 mars 2013 - 06:31 .

[Sajuro]

They said the PS3 would have software to lock out used disks
How did that turn out?