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EDI's robot body... a little silly?


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fainmaca wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
And that's where you jump to assumptions. EDI actually says she's alive before Synthesis, so her saying she's alive clearly isn't a consequence of Synthesis like you assume.

She doesn't say because of Synthesis she's alive. She doesn't say now she's alive. She doesn't say she wasn't alive before. She just says "I am alive" and "Because of Shepard I am alive and I am not alone"

AKA

"I am not dead" and "Because of Shepard (activating the Crucible and stopping the war) I am not dead and everyone is united and also not dead".

She coudn't be any more clear if she tried. Saying you need to analyse the narrative structure to see the intent is just showing you can't see the forest for the trees.


EDI saying this before and after is a by-product of writing the two parts months apart.

If you don't like the words 'narrative structure', then 'context' will do just as well. Author intent is clear, but you seem set on ignoring that. The whole context of what Synthesis does and what the epilogue shows screams out what EDI means by this phrase.

She is representative of Synthetics in the story, more specifically of the divide between them and organics and the philosophical debates spawned thereof, a staple of which is the question of whether they are alive or not.

EDI is saying that Synthesis made her alive. You're just refusing to accept it.


No she's not, she literally just says "I am alive". You really are too busy metagaming and headcanoning, looking at this such as her being voiced by Tricia Helfer or how the writing had a gap between it, to see what's staring you right in the face.

I cannot stress this enough. Trying to pretend she's saying something different doesn't mean she actually is.

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dreman9999 wrote...
It not about the fact that she has to be like us to develop, it the fact that she as a being want to develop that way. It her choice and she a a characteris not lesser for it.
Apoint your missing.
Added, in the end she does not full become organic any way. This is just her way of learnig to understand us.

It's like a person studying how to speak french goes to live in france to understand the language more.


Once she took on a body to bring herself to our level, it was about exactly that.

Doesn't matter whether within the story she chose it or not. The point is that Bioware choosing to have her go down this route was a mistake because it lessened the character. Just like when Legion backtracked on the whole 'build our own future' outlook in order to take one from the Reaper code instead. Just like when Mordin stopped being the 'whatever is necessary' character in favour of being overpowered by guilt (still a good sequence, but the character does feel inconsistent, nevertheless. Not as much as pretty much anyone else from the ME2 crew, but still).

There was more power to EDI's growing character and her budding relationship when she was in the ship and not in the robo-spy.

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Mr.House wrote...

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@Dreman this is people don't like arguments or debates with you because you start to repeat the things we've already countered

EDI's body doesn't have a story-related reason compared to Miranda.who uses her looks as an edge

Ares I love you buddy but Miranda never does what you say. What she says and what we see in game speaks two tales.


Well, Udina is a crackpot politician in ME1. The codex says he is not, though

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CynicalShep wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dreman this is people don't like arguments or debates with you because you start to repeat the things we've already countered

EDI's body doesn't have a story-related reason compared to Miranda.who uses her looks as an edge

Ares I love you buddy but Miranda never does what you say. What she says and what we see in game speaks two tales.


Well, Udina is a crackpot politician in ME1. The codex says he is not, though

:lol:

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Mr.House wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dreman this is people don't like arguments or debates with you because you start to repeat the things we've already countered

EDI's body doesn't have a story-related reason compared to Miranda.who uses her looks as an edge

Ares I love you buddy but Miranda never does what you say. What she says and what we see in game speaks two tales.


Indeed, Miranda doesn't have fourth wall breaking abilities to have the camera focus on her ass.

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Robosexual wrote...
No she's not, she literally just says "I am alive". You really are too busy metagaming and headcanoning, looking at this such as her being voiced by Tricia Helfer or how the writing had a gap between it, to see what's staring you right in the face.

I cannot stress this enough. Trying to pretend she's saying something different doesn't mean she actually is.


Its not meta-gaming. Its simple logic using the information we are given by the ending epilogue. The sequence of events, the choice of VA, the themes of the ending chosen. The bread and butter ideals and debates of writing about AIs and so on in science fiction. The truth is evident.

Synthesis is the only place where this observation is made. You don't find EDI gushing about being 'alive' in Control.

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fainmaca wrote...

Synthesis is the only place where this observation is made. You don't find EDI gushing about being 'alive' in Control.


To be fair, we don't hear anything at all from EDI in control.

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I like to headcanon that my God-Empress of Mankind Shepard has EDI fly into the nearest star with Liara and Joker inside.

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fainmaca wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
No she's not, she literally just says "I am alive". You really are too busy metagaming and headcanoning, looking at this such as her being voiced by Tricia Helfer or how the writing had a gap between it, to see what's staring you right in the face.

I cannot stress this enough. Trying to pretend she's saying something different doesn't mean she actually is.


Its not meta-gaming. Its simple logic using the information we are given by the ending epilogue. The sequence of events, the choice of VA, the themes of the ending chosen. The bread and butter ideals and debates of writing about AIs and so on in science fiction. The truth is evident.

Synthesis is the only place where this observation is made. You don't find EDI gushing about being 'alive' in Control.


It's not the truth. Saying it is really, really, doesn't make it so. Using simple logic will just lead you to the actual conclusion, looking for patterns that aren't there and pretending she's saying something different leads to your conclusion. It's just a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

And of course she doesn't make that observation in Control, she doesn't even speak during that ending.

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Seboist wrote...

I like to headcanon that my God-Empress of Mankind Shepard has EDI fly into the nearest star with Liara and Joker inside.

You're getting back at me for cheating on Cynthia arn't you!? :crying:

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humes spork wrote...

I used to know a woman who was into dogs, for god's sake.


Dafuq did I just read! :blink:

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dreamgazer wrote...

fainmaca wrote...

Synthesis is the only place where this observation is made. You don't find EDI gushing about being 'alive' in Control.


To be fair, we don't hear anything at all from EDI in control.


Not the point I'm making. Everyone but Shepard lives in Control, too, but its not so important they need to make a song and dance about it.

Aside from which, her stating she's alive in the sense that you or I would say it is redundant. We're watching a goddamn video of her walking around in  a very not-dead fashion. We know she's not dead. The epilogue is there to convey the scope of what Synthesis achieved (or what any of the other endings achieved). This sentence, the final sentence of that playthrough, was not wasted on as weak an observation as Robo believes.

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Mr.House wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dreman this is people don't like arguments or debates with you because you start to repeat the things we've already countered

EDI's body doesn't have a story-related reason compared to Miranda.who uses her looks as an edge

Ares I love you buddy but Miranda never does what you say. What she says and what we see in game speaks two tales.


I know that, but its about her character

EDI's body does do anything for her character but makes her a sex symbol

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fainmaca wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
No she's not, she literally just says "I am alive". You really are too busy metagaming and headcanoning, looking at this such as her being voiced by Tricia Helfer or how the writing had a gap between it, to see what's staring you right in the face.

I cannot stress this enough. Trying to pretend she's saying something different doesn't mean she actually is.


Its not meta-gaming. Its simple logic using the information we are given by the ending epilogue. The sequence of events, the choice of VA, the themes of the ending chosen. The bread and butter ideals and debates of writing about AIs and so on in science fiction. The truth is evident.

Synthesis is the only place where this observation is made. You don't find EDI gushing about being 'alive' in Control.


Quite sure she said something to this effect before the BS endings. And then Synthesis says "Naw dog, you heard wrong. NOW she is alive. HerpDerp."

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Mr.House wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I like to headcanon that my God-Empress of Mankind Shepard has EDI fly into the nearest star with Liara and Joker inside.

You're getting back at me for cheating on Cynthia arn't you!? :crying:


I wasn't even aware you cheated on Cynthia. :devil:

Actually, I dislike her for how she's handled with the great inconsistencies between games and for the same reason you dislike Triss in TW2.

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[quote]Robosexual wrote...

He acknowledges the interaction between all Synthetics and Organics, which applies to EDI. For example the created will always rebel against their creators (EDI did this twice) and the peace wont last.

Two acknoledgements.
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I think the best retort to the above is actually what you said before:
[quote]Robosexual wrote...
That
doesn't contradict EDI's character arc and just shows us that we did
something the other cycles never managed.
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So if he's just showing us something our cycle did that the others didn't, why is the quote you're using him reaffirming something that has occured in previous cycles and according to him is the outcome that will always occur? What you've presented is a contradiction.

Regardless the example you gave doesn't reflect EDI's interaction with us(Shepard) but with Cerberus, Shepard didn't build her, focus please, we're talking character development here. What I've been saying, repeatedly, is that EDI's interaction with Shepard and the Normandy crew has given her an understanding of the organic view of what constitutes life. She now feels alive thanks to that influnce, synthesis making her alive is redundant in terms of character progression. I can't make this any clearer so if you're having trouble grasping that I'll call it a night

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Right lets see the quote I dismissed then:

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"with EDI's character development up until then it appears to be a huge step backwards to what we've already done along the way". 

AKA, an opinion.

I never argued against it and then I explained why. You want me to argue against that but I'm not going to, and I've already explained why. If you want to discuss how you feel the Catalyst revealing the conflict to you undermines EDI's story for you then I'm sure there are many other people who will be willing to continue that.
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It's not what I feel it's what is shown on screen as explained above. This isn't a matter of opinion.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 09 février 2013 - 04:34 .


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Seboist wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I like to headcanon that my God-Empress of Mankind Shepard has EDI fly into the nearest star with Liara and Joker inside.

You're getting back at me for cheating on Cynthia arn't you!? :crying:


I wasn't even aware you cheated on Cynthia. :devil:

Actually, I dislike her for how she's handled with the great inconsistencies between games and for the same reason you dislike Triss in TW2.

Fair neough, I still hate ME2-no SB Liara with a passion so I agree with you there. :wizard:

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People who says this forgetthe fact the Joker was hesitant to even starting the romance inthe first play and EDI wasthe one who made the first attempt.


You mean, him practically drooling over the new body she's got right in her presence didn't account for a display of interest?

Although EDI certainly was the one who made the first step by getting that sexbot. I'm convinced that romance with Joker was the only thing on her mind when she did that. She knew she didn't stand a chance without it. And all that talk about using the sexbot in combat is just a cover-up.

She then practically ran to the cockpit to show off her body to Joker. He had the desired reaction. Then she sat there beside him all the time to make sure he didn't miss anything. Letting the crew to get used to seeing her around, right.

Let's not forget the moment when she considers drugging Joker into lust with her. She's a little too enthusiastic for someone who doesn't know what emotions are.

Modifié par laecraft, 09 février 2013 - 04:36 .


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AresKeith wrote...

EDI's body does do anything for her character but makes her a sex symbol


I disagree, despite her execution being flawed, but I know better than to offer much of a rebuttal in a thread labeling her a "sex bot".

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The relationship between EDI and Joker went from platonic to sexual when she took control of that body. I think it would've been preferable to keep the platonic relationship. They were soul mates, they didn't need sex appeal.

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Samara's leather armor with cleavage showing is so in character guys.

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Mr.House wrote...

Samara's leather armor with cleavage showing is so in character guys.


Well, it seems to be common among the asari.

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Mr.House wrote...

Samara's leather armor with cleavage showing is so in character guys.


I always loved the irony of her serial sex murderer and drug taking daughter dressing more modestly and in proper combat gear than she does.

Modifié par Seboist, 09 février 2013 - 04:47 .


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Yeah, Benezia wasn't very well handled, either. The fact that the first shot of her is an extreme close-up of her cleavage is probably the worst of it.

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Indy_S wrote...
Yeah, Benezia wasn't very well handled, either. The fact that the first shot of her is an extreme close-up of her cleavage is probably the worst of it.


Benezia has the excuse of being an asari however, EDIs transformation was just pointless. A squad member not needed.