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[DoodlyDangus]

protognosis wrote...

Maximanimo wrote...

arial wrote...

I much preferred EDI when she was a holographic bubble

I agree with this. It is one of the reason mass effect 2 is so perfect. 

Yeah nothing says perfect like a digital talking vagina  which is what EDIs interface looked like in me2.

Do you want a digital talking penis?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Knowledge of the three choices is irrelevant, we know Shepard if responsible for the crucible and the crucible for synthesis.Shepard is therefore responsible even if indirectly. It's a simple deduction.

What I did point out the fact the if Shepard doesn't take time converse with EDI, she has no reason to credit his or her actions with her being alive outside the activation of synthesis. The fundamental thing about synthesis is how it affects life, the statement "I am alive" within context means EDI finally understands the concept of life better, otherwise she would have said "We are alive" or "We survived" or since she has no perspective "I remain functional" she's an AI she doesn't throw words like dead and alive around casually unless she has come to terms with understanding the concept. Which she does through out the playthrough thanks to Shepard and if not thanks to synthesis.

Giving synthetics an understanding of organics and the concept of life is what synthesis does, Catalyst says as much. And wouldn't you know it a synthetic is exactly what EDI is.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 09 février 2013 - 07:24 .

[Lyria]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Maximanimo wrote...

arial wrote...

I much preferred EDI when she was a holographic bubble

I agree with this. It is one of the reason mass effect 2 is so perfect. 

Yeah nothing says perfect like a digital talking vagina  which is what EDIs interface looked like in me2.

Do you want a digital talking penis?

....what dafuq?

I was pointing out that EDI's character has a history of being visibly over sexualized.

[DoodlyDangus]

protognosis wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Maximanimo wrote...

arial wrote...

I much preferred EDI when she was a holographic bubble

I agree with this. It is one of the reason mass effect 2 is so perfect. 

Yeah nothing says perfect like a digital talking vagina  which is what EDIs interface looked like in me2.

Do you want a digital talking penis?

....what dafuq?

I was pointing out that EDI's character has a history of being visibly over sexualized.

I know, but that was too good of an opportunity.

[Lyria]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Maximanimo wrote...

arial wrote...

I much preferred EDI when she was a holographic bubble

I agree with this. It is one of the reason mass effect 2 is so perfect. 

Yeah nothing says perfect like a digital talking vagina  which is what EDIs interface looked like in me2.

Do you want a digital talking penis?

....what dafuq?

I was pointing out that EDI's character has a history of being visibly over sexualized.

I know, but that was too good of an opportunity.

Well never let it be said you didn't take an opportunity to insert a joke in any opening you could find.

[SilentK]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

I like the body and how it looks, but the ****** is too excessive. I might be a little biased her, but seriously... A robot **** would be too painful to even hint at. I'm torn on her relationship with Joker. It seems odd, but Joker finally finding something that won't crush him is a nice gift to him, if you ask me.

Well, you just put your finger on the point that really really bother me about the whole EDI-thing in ME3. She is like a nice sex-gift to Joker. And all the unfortunate banter concerning her is like listening to the male gaze. She is top-heavy, crawling around inside the ship is like crawling around in ... well. Joker ask Mordin for sex-advice as soon as she goes from AI to body. And I get it, I am supposed to be happy about giving this nice "gift" to my buddy. But for me this just feels so creepy that is isn't even funny. If there had been a banter that her not putting her body to use is like leaving a racing-car in the garage it would not have felt out of place. 

I can see why I get such a very different feeling on this, as a woman this just hit a little too close to home about certain things I have seen and heard. If I had been in a workplace where everyone around me made jokes about how sexy I was what that would be good for, it would have been so uncomfortable that I would have left that place no matter the pay or other perks. I just want to take EDI aside and tell her "If this makes you uncomfortable let me know, I will deal with it. You do not have to do anything just because people suggest it or believe that you should do it, ok". But there is nothing like that. And it just feels very strange for me, that I should feel happy about putting a woman in this situation, I should feel happy about making her a gift to a guy. Perhaps it would have been different had it been EDDIE the robot with a nice chassi and a good-sized bulge as a gift to my best friend Joana the pilot. Perhaps I would have loved that. I do not know, all I do now is avoid EDI in the game. Not because there is anything wrong with her, this situation just brings out too many bad memories and emotions for me that I do not wish to have in my freetime when gaming.

ME3 is my favorite game in the entire series, but there are a few things that makes my skin crawl. This is one of them.

Modifié par SilentK, 09 février 2013 - 07:40 .

[DoodlyDangus]

SilentK wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

I like the body and how it looks, but the ****** is too excessive. I might be a little biased her, but seriously... A robot **** would be too painful to even hint at. I'm torn on her relationship with Joker. It seems odd, but Joker finally finding something that won't crush him is a nice gift to him, if you ask me.

Well, you just put your finger on the point that really really bother me about the whole EDI-thing in ME3. She is like a nice sex-gift to Joker. And all the unfortunate banter concerning her is like listening to the male gaze. She is top-heavy, crawling around inside the ship is like crawling around in ... well. Joker ask Mordin for sex-advice as soon as she goes from AI to body. And I get it, I am supposed to be happy about giving this nice "gift" to my buddy. But for me this just feels so creepy that is isn't even funny. If there had been a banter that her not putting her body to use is like leaving a racing-car in the garage it would not have felt out of place. 

I can see why I get such a very different feeling on this, as a woman this just hit a little too close to home about certain things I have seen and heard. If I had been in a workplace where everyone around me made jokes about how sexy I was what that would be good for, it would have been so uncomfortable that I would have left that place no matter the pay or other perks. I just want to take EDI aside and tell her "If this makes you uncomfortable let me know, I will deal with it. You do not have to do anything just because people suggest it or believe that you should do it, ok". But there is nothing like that. And it just feels very strange for me, that I should feel happy about putting a woman in this situation, I should feel happy about making her a gift to a guy. Perhaps it would have been different had it been EDDIE the robot with a nice chassi and a good-sized bulge as a gift to my best friend Joana the pilot. Perhaps I would have loved that. I do not know, all I do now is avoid EDI in the game. Not because there is anything wrong with her, this situation just brings out too many bad memories and emotions for me that I do not wish to have in my freetime when gaming.

ME3 is my favorite game in the entire series, but there are a few things that makes my skin crawl. This is one of them.

That went a lot creepier than what I meant. I will say that I'd have still been fine if the genders were flipped, but again, I don't have much room to talk.

[JaegerBane]

dreman9999 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sorry, they are based of the book Ender's game and the aliens movie series.

You have no idea how much this series borrow form other scifi stories.

In that they're giant alien bugs, perhaps. Beyond that they have little to no similarity (hell, the Formics and Xenomorphs have virtually no similarity to each other, let alone to the Rachni).

If you're going to say 'giant alien bugs' then they predate both Ender's Game and Aliens.

You're telling me that finding a giant self aware telepathic bug that is  the last of it's kind found in ME is nothing like the fornics in enders' game, which story is that Ender a find a  giant self aware telepathic bug that is  the last of it's kind.

No, I'm telling you that that while the Formics and Rachni have some common elements, they're hardly 'exactly the same'. I don't recall the Rachni voluntarily avoiding invasions, for instance, nor do I recall the Formic Queen being found and bred to produce killing machines that went awry, or being manipulated into warfare by giant robots. There are similarities as such but to argue 'they're basically the same' is being silly.

Besides, one of the main points behind the Formics is that they didn't even realise they were fighting sentient creatures up until the second invasion, and as soon as they did, they pulled back and hoped humanity wouldn't retaliate. How does this in any way resemble the Rachni?

As I said, they're similar in the sense they're giant bugs and little else. Similar circumstances for the Queen, too, but hardly the same.

Sorry, but everything about the rachni is exactly the same as the fornics. Both races even go to war with other races without those races  knowing why and had to be killed off to stop them.

I suggest you read Ender's Game again, as it sounds like you've missed one of the most important points of the book. The whole point of Ender's Game is that the formics didn't have to be fought in the end.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 09 février 2013 - 08:10 .

[mauro2222]

Wompoo wrote...

Snip

Really off-topic, but I love your DA:O character :happy:

[Jadebaby]

A little silly? HA!

[Eterna]

dreman9999 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

That's ok, because Synthesis doesn't make her anymore alive, she already was.

"I feel alive"
"Thanks to you, I'm alive"

Synthesis:

"I'm alive"

Warning, synthesis may cause memory loss, use with caution.

She never says she's alive before Synthesis. She only says she feels alive due to Shepards influence. 

Yes, she did. it was one ofthelast 3 conversations you had with her.

Show me where she says "I am alive" before the Synthesis ending, and no, feeling alive doesn't mean you're alive. 

[David7204]

I'm not going to read through twenty pages of comments, but I'm willing to bet that countless people have said that EDI was 'sexualized' to draw in the nerdy teenage boy and basement dweller crowd because they love sexy robots.

Frankly, I think that is ridiculous, based on the way EDI is handled in the game. Whenever romance or sex comes up with EDI, it's clearly written to be endearing and humorous, not sexually enticing. If the point was really to draw in players with sex, I think it's pretty obvious that EDI would have been made a love interest and been present in ME 3's advertising.

Modifié par David7204, 09 février 2013 - 09:14 .

[Ninja Stan]

Let's keep the discussion clean, please. Thank you.

[dreman9999]

Eterna5 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

That's ok, because Synthesis doesn't make her anymore alive, she already was.

"I feel alive"
"Thanks to you, I'm alive"

Synthesis:

"I'm alive"

Warning, synthesis may cause memory loss, use with caution.

She never says she's alive before Synthesis. She only says she feels alive due to Shepards influence. 

Yes, she did. it was one ofthelast 3 conversations you had with her.

Show me where she says "I am alive" before the Synthesis ending, and no, feeling alive doesn't mean you're alive. 

You are so wrong.....http://www.youtube.c...Rnl0hQNX0#t=88s

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I'm not going to read through twenty pages of comments, but I'm willing to bet that countless people have said that EDI was 'sexualized' to draw in the nerdy teenage boy and basement dweller crowd because they love sexy robots.

Frankly, I think that is ridiculous, based on the way EDI is handled in the game. Whenever romance or sex comes up with EDI, it's clearly written to be endearing and humorous, not sexually enticing. If the point was really to draw in players with sex, I think it's pretty obvious that EDI would have been made a love interest and been present in ME 3's advertising.

Maybe you should read through the thread then

[David7204]

Uh, are you implying that nobody has said that? Because that would be great.

[MrStoob]

Personally, I would have preferred Dr Eva as Cerberus foil than Kai Leng. They should have left EDI with her dignity and used a good character (Dr Eva) to its full potential. I was instantly hooked on the potential when she grabbed Ashley's helmet and requested her orders from TIM, then boom, gone, sex-bot a-bungo. That said, EDI had some great comedy moments but was the body necessary for this?

[Han Shot First]

I liked EDI as a character/squadmate in ME3, so I dug that she took control of Eva's robot corpse. That being said, I do think her character model was a little too sexualized. They could have turned down the sex appeal a couple notches.

[dreman9999]

JaegerBane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sorry, they are based of the book Ender's game and the aliens movie series.

You have no idea how much this series borrow form other scifi stories.

In that they're giant alien bugs, perhaps. Beyond that they have little to no similarity (hell, the Formics and Xenomorphs have virtually no similarity to each other, let alone to the Rachni).

If you're going to say 'giant alien bugs' then they predate both Ender's Game and Aliens.

You're telling me that finding a giant self aware telepathic bug that is  the last of it's kind found in ME is nothing like the fornics in enders' game, which story is that Ender a find a  giant self aware telepathic bug that is  the last of it's kind.

No, I'm telling you that that while the Formics and Rachni have some common elements, they're hardly 'exactly the same'. I don't recall the Rachni voluntarily avoiding invasions, for instance, nor do I recall the Formic Queen being found and bred to produce killing machines that went awry, or being manipulated into warfare by giant robots. There are similarities as such but to argue 'they're basically the same' is being silly.

Besides, one of the main points behind the Formics is that they didn't even realise they were fighting sentient creatures up until the second invasion, and as soon as they did, they pulled back and hoped humanity wouldn't retaliate. How does this in any way resemble the Rachni?

As I said, they're similar in the sense they're giant bugs and little else. Similar circumstances for the Queen, too, but hardly the same.

Sorry, but everything about the rachni is exactly the same as the fornics. Both races even go to war with other races without those races  knowing why and had to be killed off to stop them.

I suggest you read Ender's Game again, as it sounds like you've missed one of the most important points of the book. The whole point of Ender's Game is that the formics didn't have to be fought in the end.

1.I never said they were exacty the same. I only siad the rachni were not original becauseof the fornic used in Ender's game.

2. That's the only thing that differs from the rachni from the fornics. My point did not avoid that. The entire book was about the fact that war and conflict is caused by lack of understanding. I did not say the meaning of the rachni is the sane as the fornics. I said the concept of the race are the same.The rachni no matter how you cut it are based on the fornics.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm not going to read through twenty pages of comments, but I'm willing to bet that countless people have said that EDI was 'sexualized' to draw in the nerdy teenage boy and basement dweller crowd because they love sexy robots.

Frankly, I think that is ridiculous, based on the way EDI is handled in the game. Whenever romance or sex comes up with EDI, it's clearly written to be endearing and humorous, not sexually enticing. If the point was really to draw in players with sex, I think it's pretty obvious that EDI would have been made a love interest and been present in ME 3's advertising.

Maybe you should read through the thread then

But he is spot on.

Modifié par dreman9999, 09 février 2013 - 09:31 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

Uh, are you implying that nobody has said that? Because that would be great.

Big ol' hadonkadonks and bootylicious doesn't scream dat fanservice tbh?  

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Uh, are you implying that nobody has said that? Because that would be great.

The only time it really came up was when Robosexual started to make that assumption, other than that not really

[spirosz]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Uh, are you implying that nobody has said that? Because that would be great.

The only time it really came up was when Robosexual started to make that assumption, other than that not really

Basically.  People love their assumptions.  

[dreman9999]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Uh, are you implying that nobody has said that? Because that would be great.

Big ol' hadonkadonks and bootylicious doesn't scream dat fanservice tbh?  

So EDI does not talkat all....She just stands there and be a sex doll...right?