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[fainmaca]

David7204 wrote...

Fine. Design. Art. Whatever. You're telling me that it's automatically bad storytelling to feature attractive characters in a story?

When its done for no really valuable reason, then yes.  Jack was designed in her abrasive, offputting fashion for a reason. Miranda was designed as a femme fatale for a reason. EDI's appearance has no justification other than 'she needed to be sexy', according to the artbook. It sexualised a character who before that had no such aspect to their character, and the reasoning really comes down to 'just because'.

That's bad design.

[AresKeith]

IMO EDI's Alternate Appearance pack design was a step in the right direction

[Jadebaby]

she was a robot.... she didnt have to be a squadmate, let alone a sexbot.

[spirosz]

I think Jack sums this up pretty accurately.

[David7204]

fainmaca wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Fine. Design. Art. Whatever. You're telling me that it's automatically bad storytelling to feature attractive characters in a story?

When its done for no really valuable reason, then yes.  Jack was designed in her abrasive, offputting fashion for a reason. Miranda was designed as a femme fatale for a reason. EDI's appearance has no justification other than 'she needed to be sexy', according to the artbook. It sexualised a character who before that had no such aspect to their character, and the reasoning really comes down to 'just because'.

That's bad design.

First of all, that is a contemptible misquote. The quote says that they wanted the character to look sexy, and you're twisting to that into them saying "We want this character to be a stupid (w)hore!" Absolute rubbish. If I designed a game, I would absolutely want some of the characters to be sexy, and there's utterly nothing wrong with that. It's ridiculous to imply that it's mutually exclusive with any other quality.

Secondly, it isn't pointless. They wanted EDI to be a more relatable character to allow her a more plausible growth and romance. And yes, however much some of us might kid ourselves into thinking otherwise, attractiveness is a big part of attraction.

Modifié par David7204, 09 février 2013 - 11:20 .

[David7204]

Tell me. What does a woman need to be attractive? Or a man? And be honest.

[darkway1]

EDI was perfect......don't quite understand why people don't understand EDI's look?.........there was a point to EDI's sexual appearance......to you,she may look sexual........to EDI her shape is based on the ideal female shape........your supposed to like that.....right?

Instead you take her shape as inappropriate,sexual even.........which kinda highlights the difference between AI and human perspectives.

EDI is not a new idea........she's very close to Seven of Nine from star Trek.

[Jadebaby]

spirosz wrote...

I think Jack sums this up pretty accurately.

+1

[fainmaca]

David7204 wrote...

fainmaca wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Fine. Design. Art. Whatever. You're telling me that it's automatically bad storytelling to feature attractive characters in a story?

When its done for no really valuable reason, then yes.  Jack was designed in her abrasive, offputting fashion for a reason. Miranda was designed as a femme fatale for a reason. EDI's appearance has no justification other than 'she needed to be sexy', according to the artbook. It sexualised a character who before that had no such aspect to their character, and the reasoning really comes down to 'just because'.

That's bad design.

First of all, that is a contemptible misquote. The quote says that they wanted the character to look sexy, and you're twisting to that into them saying "We want this character to be a stupid (w)hore!" Absolute rubbish. If I designed a game, I would absolutely want some of the characters to be sexy, and there's utterly nothing wrong with that. It's ridiculous to imply that it's mutually exclusive with any other quality.

Secondly, it isn't pointless. They wanted EDI to be a more relatable character to allow her a more plausible growth and romance. And yes, however much some of us might kid ourselves into thinking otherwise, attractiveness is a big part of attraction.

Not sure why you feel the need to react so defensively, but whatever.

First off, its not a misquote. The artbook says 'she needed to be sexy', not that she needed to look more human or anything like that. I never said anything about a 'Stupid harlot' look (paraphrased to avoid censorship). She was made sexy for sexy's sake. A more plain robot would have worked just as well in her position (not a Loki or a YMIR, but definately not something with a shelf out the front).

[dreamgazer]

Jadebaby wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I think Jack sums this up pretty accurately.

+1

Heh. Y'know, Jack summed up Miranda, too.

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

Tell me. What does a woman need to be attractive? Or a man? And be honest.

For a long term commitment?  Personality.  















and booty. 

Modifié par spirosz, 09 février 2013 - 11:35 .

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I think Jack sums this up pretty accurately.

+1

Heh. Y'know, Jack summed up Miranda, too.

She does that. 

[fainmaca]

David7204 wrote...

Tell me. What does a woman need to be attractive? Or a man? And be honest.

For me? It starts with the eyes. They've gotta be sincere, open. A lot of that comes from the personality behind them.

I certainly don't look for someone who would struggle to fit through a door sideways because of excessive T&A. To me, flaunting of those aspects is offputting. Overemphasis on these aspects implies to me that they're insecure about their deeper qualities and want to keep you distracted.

[David7204]

Jack could have been designed as abrasive and off-putting but unattractive. Maybe something like the actress in The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. She wasn't ugly, but she was nowhere as stunning as her actress in real life - they intentionally roughed her up a bit. Yet Jack has big lips and a pretty face and a nice body. Miranda is a poor example since being attractive is a necessary part of her character, but it's true for pretty much all the squadmates to an extent. Pretty much all of them could have been made less attractive without altering their characters. Yet they weren't.

So why is a character being attractive to be attractive such a bad thing? Because I get the feeling that's what this boils down to.

Modifié par David7204, 09 février 2013 - 11:46 .

[fainmaca]

There's 20 whole pages covering this issue, David.

As I have posted before, its a bad thing when the character is diminished because of it. I strongly believe that EDI is made into a lesser character because of her changes. that's where doing something for the sake of it is damaging.

If you want to know more, look back through the thread. If not, why are you even posting here?

[RogueBot]

Sure, it might be silly, but a race of hot, bisexual alien women with a fetish for straying outside of their species is a little silly, too.

But who cares, it's a video game.

Modifié par RogueBot, 10 février 2013 - 12:00 .

[SlottsMachine]

I really don't have a problem with Edi's body being sexy, if people are going to give Miranda and others a pass I don't see how that doesn't apply to Edi (Eva Core). I do however have a problem with Edi having a body in the first place.

Modifié par General Slotts, 10 février 2013 - 12:01 .

[David7204]

As I posted a few pages ago, there are some things I would change. I wouldn't have given EDI that. I wouldn't have given anyone heels (except maybe Miranda) and I would have given Samara a somewhat less revealing outfit, yes. And there are some camera angles I don't like.

But there's a lot I would leave in.

At the end of the day...they aren't the same. They aren't. Miranda is just not the same type of soldier as Zaeed or Grunt or some of the other males. When it comes down to it, Zaeed and Grunt and James are going to be the ones mucking around in the mud and trenches, not Miranda. Their characters just ooze it. And I think it makes sense for their clothing to reflect that.

Modifié par David7204, 10 février 2013 - 12:01 .

[darkway1]

Lathrim wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Tell me. What does a woman need to be attractive? Or a man? And be honest.

Exposing the shape of his/her genitals is not in that list, that's for sure. A desirable body is most certainly necessary, but the private part of it should not be exposed despite the fact that the character is wearing clothes in no way whatsoever. Doing so is plain and utter disrespect.

Hell, a case could be made to label it misogyny! I am absolutely not going there, however.

Your kinda highlighting the point........her shape is simply based on the ideal human form,she's has no shame or modesty,she's an AI......clothes are for functional reasons only,warmth,armour etc,all of which are irrelevant to EDI..........if EDI were a male then I'd expect him to walk around butt naked too...........EDI character does a great job of challenging our own insecurities and how we perceive others by how they look.
EDI has nothing to hide,no insecurities and presents her self bold as brass and in your face.....isn't that what we would ideally like to be able to do.......but we can't,stupid human feeling prevent most people from doing that as we don't meet our own ideal's.