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[The Night Mammoth]

bleetman wrote...

I wouldn't have minded quite so much if it wasn't so utterly transparent that they did it because EDI was a female character, and female characters apparently have to have obnoxiously over the top sex appeal.

But it was, so I did.

Yeah, exactly. 

I'd like to think there was a reason to give her such an inflated boddy, past blatant sex appeal, but I'm afraid I'd be dissapointed. I don't necessarily mind that considering I've had to endure Miranda, but I don't find EDI's body remotely attractive in any way and don't see how anyone could. 

It goes past appealing and into almost unintentionally ironic or just damn joke territory.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 08 février 2013 - 11:15 .

[Seboist]

They made Joker into a major creep in this with the EDI "romance". He acts like a horny teenager with an emotionally immature A.I who not too long ago displayed she had trouble grasping something as basic as humor.

[Falaxe]

Synergizer wrote...

iakus wrote...

Saying EDI's robotic body was "a little silly" is like saying water is "a little wet"

I mean, I understand the concept that sex sells, but aren't we getting a little carried away here?

To be honest, I think EDI was over-the-top smexy, and the way Joker talked about her was borderline sexual harassment.

I was arguing about sexual harrasment in the internets before it was even invented. Nothing wrong with Jokers attitude, love the guy and would have gave him a cookie for what he said after Thessia (oke I understand if somebody takes him as sexual predator ready to insult women). So have this:


But if you`d have to choose between sexually harassing talk or actual romance (sex(ROMANCE!)) scenes wich one you would pick? I just love how PEGI rating is corrupted by double standards...

Modifié par Falaxe, 08 février 2013 - 11:19 .

[Kabooooom]

Seboist wrote...

They made Joker into a major creep in this with the EDI "romance". He acts like a horny teenager with an emotionally immature A.I who not too long ago displayed she had trouble grasping something as basic as humor.

Seemed in-character to me, since he has been stuck on a ship all this time and probably hasn't gotten laid once. He also regularly watches porn in the cockpit.

[Eterna]

EDI was great in ME3. Haters going to hate.

[Kabooooom]

Eterna5 wrote...

EDI was great in ME3. Haters going to hate.

I don't think people are necessarily hating. What they are doing is questioning an already questionable decision that is incredibly transparent: they added EDI's body primarily for sex appeal. And in light of that, debating it is relevant, I think.

Hating would be like "I hate Liara because she is annoying as hell". Not many people are saying they dislike EDI as a character - I love EDI. Most would have just rather had her stay an onboard AI.

[xAmilli0n]

Is EDI's body silly? Yes it is.

[Eterna]

Kabooooom wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

EDI was great in ME3. Haters going to hate.

I don't think people are necessarily hating. What they are doing is questioning an already questionable decision that is incredibly transparent: they added EDI's body primarily for sex appeal. And in light of that, debating it is relevant, I think.

Hating would be like "I hate Liara because she is annoying as hell". Not many people are saying they dislike EDI as a character - I love EDI. Most would have just rather had her stay an onboard AI.

But then she would never have become a squadmate and her development would have been extremely limited. 

[thehomeworld]

I felt it was a horrible idea and very unnecessary then it happened and I thought how horrid, unnecessary, and redundant it is. EDI says she's the ship and I think she even tells shep about the blue box inside the AI core the houses her true self back in ME2. So her having a body should've been completely optional.

We should've been able to fill her space with someone else from at least the ME2 squad who didn't have a real reason to not be there most of their reasons are paper thin:

Kasumi can't do it cuz her eye candy isn't there,

Her eye candy (Jacob) can't do it cuz he cheated on fshep and has a baby momma,

Mordin can't stay because he has to run test on Krogans and file some serious paper work afterwards,

Legion can't stay cuz...well maybe he has some trauma from being a signal booster

Samura can't do it cuz she's baby sitting

Miranda can't do it cuz she's chasing down her sister all stealth like and refuses to ask the SB for help. Then afterwards she has to file some serious paper work and ditch her sister somewhere....

It would've been a simple solution take Eva's body and EDI will take it over leave the hunk of junk to burn on Mars then EDI doesn't get a body, is a virtual team assistant, and you can replace her with the list of people above or the new options below.

We also have npcs which could come or who would've made sense to come along so long as you could convince them to do so because they too don't have strong reasons not to:

Athena could've come after you patch things over with Liara cuz after you do that she disappears to I guess go wait more tables on Illium?

Kal Reegor a natural body guard for an Admiral Tali. Really the board sends out an Admiral to an alien ship with no back up? For non Admiral Tali's you'd have to try really hard to convince him to join you cuz he's all for the fleet.

Gavon WHERES GAVON?! Really he disappeared he could've been useful

Grunt's replacement wow that guy has some personality why couldn't I have him join up he'll fight the reapers either way.

Geth Juggernaut this guy would be a tank on the battlefield literally!

Thane's son sure he was going to be preacher or something but I know there are players who want this kid on their ship so you'd have to work really hard to convince him to go your way.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 08 février 2013 - 11:33 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Eterna5 wrote...

EDI was great in ME3. Haters going to hate.

EDI was completely fine in ME2. A sexy robot body was not needed. She could've had the same progression as a character without it and avoid the "creepyness" altogether.

[DirtySHISN0]

*sigh* this again.

EDI's body is silly and overly sexualised, but Miranda's* isn't.

Sure.


*and any other character in ME for that matter.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 08 février 2013 - 11:34 .

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

EDI was great in ME3. Haters going to hate.

I liked EDI as a character.  I didn't even mind the idea of EDI and Joker building a relationship.  But I think the appearance of her robotic body was shallow and juvenile.

[Eterna]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

EDI was great in ME3. Haters going to hate.

EDI was completely fine in ME2. A sexy robot body was not needed. She could've had the same progression as a character without it and avoid the "creepyness" altogether.

How? May I remind you that you don;t need to encourage her romance (if you can even call it that) with Joker. 

[Dark_Caduceus]

Falaxe wrote...

Synergizer wrote...

iakus wrote...

Saying EDI's robotic body was "a little silly" is like saying water is "a little wet"

I mean, I understand the concept that sex sells, but aren't we getting a little carried away here?

To be honest, I think EDI was over-the-top smexy, and the way Joker talked about her was borderline sexual harassment.

I was arguing about sexual harrasment in the internets before it was even invented. Nothing wrong with Jokers attitude, love the guy and would have gave him a cookie for what he said after Thessia (oke I understand if somebody takes him as sexual predator ready to insult women). So have this:


But if you`d have to choose between sexually harassing talk or actual romance (sex(ROMANCE!)) scenes wich one you would pick? I just love how PEGI rating is corrupted by double standards...

Damn, look at those robo chesticles.

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

EDI was great in ME3. Haters going to hate.

I liked EDI as a character.  I didn't even mind the idea of EDI and Joker building a relationship.  But I think the appearance of her robotic body was shallow and juvenile.

So was Miranda. Odd how nobody cares about that. 

[KiwiQuiche]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

*sigh* this again.

EDI's body is silly and overly sexualised, but Miranda's* isn't.

Sure.


*and any other character in ME for that matter.

I find Miranda's body disturbing because her father designed it to be like that. That and the stupid butt wedgie.

[Kabooooom]

But then she would never have become a squadmate and her development would have been extremely limited.

This was my initial point - the body served a secondary purpose of character development for EDI, as well as personifying her in a more human form.

But this was secondary. The primary purpose was sex-appeal. Unambiguously. Without question. No doubt EDI probably wasn't even planned to be a squadmate or "become human" until the decision was made to make her a walking fleshlight.

I do like EDI's character development in ME3 - I think it is a touching story and I am glad that it is in there. But I can't deny the obvious reason why it was added in the first place.

That and the stupid butt wedgie.

But that's the best part

Modifié par Kabooooom, 08 février 2013 - 11:38 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

EDI was great in ME3. Haters going to hate.

I liked EDI as a character.  I didn't even mind the idea of EDI and Joker building a relationship.  But I think the appearance of her robotic body was shallow and juvenile.

So was Miranda. Odd how nobody cares about that. 

What? People do care about the way Miranda looks, for the same reasons. 

It isn't as bad because her appearence is also a major part of her character and personality. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 08 février 2013 - 11:40 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Eterna5 wrote...

How? May I remind you that you don;t need to encourage her romance (if you can even call it that) with Joker. 

How was it better? Because the whole point of the relationship between EDI and Joker was that they come to get along and work well together despite the fact she is just an AI with a blue ball as an avatar. There was none of that silly sexy robot body representation going on.

It showed that organics and synthetics can get along despite being different and coming from a stand point of being at odds.

[Eterna]

Kabooooom wrote...

But then she would never have become a squadmate and her development would have been extremely limited.

This was my initial point - the body served a secondary purpose of character development for EDI, as well as personifying her in a more human form.

But this was secondary. The primary purpose was sex-appeal. Unambiguously. Without question. No doubt EDI probably wasn't even planned to be a squadmate or "become human" until the decision was made to make her a walking fleshlight.

I do like EDI's character development in ME3 - I think it is a touching story and I am glad that it is in there. But I can't deny the obvious reason why it was added in the first place.

I disagree completely and you really have no proof of that. I could make the same argument for any female Character in this game. 

[xAmilli0n]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

*sigh* this again.

EDI's body is silly and overly sexualised, but Miranda's* isn't.

Sure.


*and any other character in ME for that matter.

I find Miranda's body disturbing because her father designed it to be like that. That and the stupid butt wedgie.

I know right? Henry Lawson is a TOTAL creeper.

As for EDI vs Miranda, Miranda's outfit is silly, but that is her character.  Still silly.  EDI went from no body to sexbot.  I find her transition sillier, and honestly, unnecessary.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 08 février 2013 - 11:44 .

[Kabooooom]

I disagree completely and you really have no proof of that. I could make the same argument for any female Character in this game.

You're joking, right? Are you seriously saying that EDI's body was not designed the way it was for sex appeal? If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

Modifié par Kabooooom, 08 février 2013 - 11:43 .

[Eterna]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

How? May I remind you that you don;t need to encourage her romance (if you can even call it that) with Joker. 

How was it better? Because the whole point of the relationship between EDI and Joker was that they come to get along and work well together despite the fact she is just an AI with a blue ball as an avatar. There was none of that silly sexy robot body representation going on.

It showed that organics and synthetics can get along despite being different and coming from a stand point of being at odds.

A key feature of Synthetics is that they all seek to understand organics, or so Legion says. It was inevitable then that EDI would go down this path. 

[humes spork]

Eterna5 wrote...

So was Miranda. Odd how nobody cares about that.

Is this the "get indignant because nobody is discussing Miranda in a thread totally about EDI, despite the number of complaints and jokes made about Miranda's oversexualization in threads actually about Miranda's characterization" part of the thread?

Because, you know, I could totally bring up Asari strippers being everywhere and Samara's super-cleavage, but THE THREAD IS ABOUT EDI.

Modifié par humes spork, 08 février 2013 - 11:47 .

[dreamgazer]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

*sigh* this again.

EDI's body is silly and overly sexualised, but Miranda's isn't.

Sure.

Neither is Benezia's.  Oops. 

Doesn't change the fact that EDI's body needed to be toned down (reflect more of her influence from Metropolis), and that her role in ME3 needed to feel more seamless. More practical body, more convincing (or, preferably, NO) romance with Joker, and limited participation with the squad on the ground. I liked her Pinocchio / cylon-like acclimation to human interaction and emotion through a physical form, and how it mingled with the organic-synthetic theme, but it needed ... surprise-surprise ... better execution.