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[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...
There is absolutely no evidence they ever engaged in any form of sexual activity. 

There is ample evidence to show  both of them contemplated it and planned for it, though.

[Kabooooom]

Don't see why that couldn't have been achieved without her gaining control of a robotic sex doll.

But if she didn't take that body I would have had to buy Joker a hooker on the Citadel or something.

[Eterna]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

"Only now do I truly feel alive" 

I really don't see that as being associated with the body.  One thing to remember is that EDI is till mostly the Normandy.  Her being able to understand being alive really wouldn't have to do with body, when the Normandy is her true body...just ask Engineer Kenneth Donnelly.

Also, isn't that line only from the Synthesis ending epilogue?

It's before the beam run. Do you really think EDI would have ever felt as a part of the crew without her body? That she would have ever reached a equal footing in the crews mind if she stayed as a orb? 

[xAmilli0n]

spirosz wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...
Also, isn't that line only from the Synthesis ending epilogue?

I believe she says something in a similar fashion in-game, before ending.  

Okay, thanks.

I'm still not that convinced that this is to be attributed to the body.

[Gfletch]

Well, I liked it.

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
There is absolutely no evidence they ever engaged in any form of sexual activity. 

There is ample evidence to show  both of them contemplated it and planned for it, though.

Where?

[spirosz]

Eterna5 wrote...
It's before the beam run. Do you really think EDI would have ever felt as a part of the crew without her body? That she would have ever reached a equal footing in the crews mind if she stayed as a orb? 

Yes, because I could look past the orb. 

[Dark_Caduceus]

Some Gamer Guy wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

kelnagryphon wrote...

It was very contrived, but I thought it was a very clever way to humanise the ship AI, by the end of the game I would have classed EDI as a sentient, individual being whereas at the end of ME2/start of ME3 she was basically a fancy GPS unit in my head.

So yeah, contrived plotline to get her in the body, but I thought that it allowed a lot of interesting questions to be asked and your perceptions to be challenged so I'm very glad they did it.

One could argue that a good writer can humanise a character without essentially just making them human.
I'd be a great deal more impressed if Bioware could imbue EDI with enough personality that people considered her human without turning into a pornstar mech.

HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey (a strong point in that otherwise pretentious and meaningless film).

Really, I found it quite good. Though it certainly was pretentious.

Still, it had some very interesting and multilayered themes running through it; I find this (and associated reviews) quite interesting and have some good evidentiary support: .

Though this is getting a bit off topic now, in any case I'd be interested in seeing if your opinion of the film changes after viewing this analysis, mine did.

[Kabooooom]

The intent is completely different . It does matter.

Not really, man. It is still equally as questionable either way - that is the crux of what we are discussing: was giving EDI a body necessary, and if so, was amping up her sex appeal necessary?

The answer to the first is a "maybe", in my opinion. The answer to the second is a "no".

Modifié par Kabooooom, 09 février 2013 - 12:02 .

[Eterna]

xAmilli0n wrote...

spirosz wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...
Also, isn't that line only from the Synthesis ending epilogue?

I believe she says something in a similar fashion in-game, before ending.  

Okay, thanks.

I'm still not that convinced that this is to be attributed to the body.

Could she have even said that or felt that way if she was still an orb on the Normandy? You have to remember that her body also changed how the crew viewed her. 

[spirosz]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
There is absolutely no evidence they ever engaged in any form of sexual activity. 

There is ample evidence to show  both of them contemplated it and planned for it, though.

Where?

EDI asking Shepard on one of their conversations on the Normandy, did she not?

[xAmilli0n]

Eterna5 wrote...

Do you really think EDI would have ever felt as a part of the crew without her body? That she would have ever reached a equal footing in the crews mind if she stayed as a orb? 

I would say probaby not.  However, I would say she would probably never be on equal footing.  And is being equal to the crew what really all that important?  It could be argued she is so much more.

[Kabooooom]

Where?

Joker asks Mordin how he could pork EDI without breaking every bone in his body. Mordin suggests cushions, and lubricants I think.

He gives Shep similar advice in ME2 after his loyalty mission. Too bad there wasn't a dialogue option for "really, Mordin, I've been banging women on the Normandy for awhile now, I think I've got the gist of it"

Modifié par Kabooooom, 09 février 2013 - 12:04 .

[Eterna]

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
It's before the beam run. Do you really think EDI would have ever felt as a part of the crew without her body? That she would have ever reached a equal footing in the crews mind if she stayed as a orb? 

Yes, because I could look past the orb. 

If EDI is restricted to the ship how could she ever have known what it is to be alive? How could she understand the human experience while confined to a ship? 

Modifié par Eterna5, 09 février 2013 - 12:04 .

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
There is absolutely no evidence they ever engaged in any form of sexual activity. 

There is ample evidence to show  both of them contemplated it and planned for it, though.

Where?

Joker's conversation with Mordin on the intercom of the Normandy
Joker's conversation with Shepard at Afterlife
EDI's conversation with Shepard on the Presidium

that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.

[humes spork]

iakus wrote...

I care.  I bought ME2's AAP2 specifically for the new Miranda outfit that actually looked like armor rather than (or at least, less like)  a catsuit.

Not to mention Miranda's sexualization was a part of her character, having been genetically designed that way and learned to use it to her advantage as a high-ranking member of a terrorist organization and all. Believe it or not, playing to their sexuality to seduce and interrogating men is something females in espionage do, and intentionally -- Mata Hari, Belle Boyd, Virginia Hall, rumor still has it Hedy Lamarr, even more contemporarily Anna Chapman.

Plus, Miranda's oversexualization was way less over-the-top than EDI's. What you got there was a handful of butt shots in a sci-fi trope skin-tight outfit. Oversexualized and exploitative, sure, but not without in-universe justification. EDI, on the other hand, did not need a robot body, the inclusion of that body upended her character and character development, and the degree of sexualization was so far beyond exploitative as to be outright obscene. And, I do not use the word "obscene" lightly being extremely sex-positive as I am.

Look no further than the EDI ****** if you want support for that statement: that's not ******, that's reskinned nudity. You can make out inner labia, and if it weren't for camera angles you could probably make out the little man in the canoe. There's no justifiable reason to include that in the game, save prurient interest, in an inclusion the intent of which is clearly sexual titillation and male gaze. Screw that.

[Aleru]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I also dislike how pretty and big-boobied the body is- it was an INFILTRATION unit. Make it pretty, give it huge ****** and ass and it stands out- you would remember it. That is not adequate infiltration teaching. Making a Plain Jane would have made a crapload more sense.

But yeah, I disliked the fact she got a body. It was so damn cliched and went with the whole "I wanna be a real girl!" thing with EDI. EDI, you can be alive without thinking like an organic. Unfortunately all of the AIs, geth included, got nerfed into the "You must think like an organic, act and look like us to be truly alive lolz" thing ME3 did.

Actually... while people are distracted admiring her body, they won't notice her doing her infiltrator stuff.... 
Just see what Eva Core accomplished... People were more like "i would totally bang that" than being suspicious about her... 

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
It's before the beam run. Do you really think EDI would have ever felt as a part of the crew without her body? That she would have ever reached a equal footing in the crews mind if she stayed as a orb? 

Yes, because I could look past the orb. 

If EDI is restricted to the ship how could she ever have known what it is to be alive? How could she understand the human experience while confined to a ship? 

I don't disagree with that.  Though I could argue that she was no less alive as part fo the Normandy.  Taking on a humanoid appearance anthropomorphizes her enough that organics would feel more comfortable interacting with her.

It's just...she was made laughably "top heavy" in the process if you know what I mean.

[spirosz]

Eterna5 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
It's before the beam run. Do you really think EDI would have ever felt as a part of the crew without her body? That she would have ever reached a equal footing in the crews mind if she stayed as a orb? 

Yes, because I could look past the orb. 

If EDI is restricted to the ship how could she ever have known what it is to be alive? How could she understand the human experience while confined to a ship? 

Because she's around humans 24/7.  Also, I don't believe she ever needs to truly "understand" humans as some would like, but that's me not liking what Bioware did with the whole arc... I liked the idea of her growing, but I don't know if the idea of a body necessarily improves her understanding.  I understand if you like the idea, I just think it would of been interesting if shown in other ways because it's so typical for AI's to "want to become more" and end up trying to achieve humanity, haha. 

[spirosz]

iakus wrote...

I don't disagree with that.  Though I could argue that she was no less alive as part fo the Normandy.  Taking on a humanoid appearance anthropomorphizes her enough that organics would feel more comfortable interacting with her.

It's just...she was made laughably "top heavy" in the process if you know what I mean.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. 

[Kabooooom]

Believe it or not, playing to their sexuality to seduce and interrogating men is something females in espionage do, and intentionally

Yep. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend about this awhile back. She was saying that every female spy drama she has seen basically hypersexualizes the lead character. My response was - well, yeah, but that is reality. They use sex as a weapon. And honestly, I think that is pretty damned clever.

[Mr.House]

Just because Miranda's sexualization was part of her character does not mean she should go out in a fire fight zone in a cat suit. Having a cameltoe or your breast in a tight outfit is not going to do anything when you are fighting against bugs, mercs who are paid to kill ya or mechs. It was stupid in ME2, and Bioware did not learn their lesson in ME3 as EDI and Ash's character design shows this. It's even stated in the art book they wanted to maket hem sexy.

Modifié par Mr.House, 09 février 2013 - 12:11 .

[mumba]

Bioware should have modelled it based off the wine robot from Futurama.