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[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

[spirosz]

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Well, I still truly believe only gave Ashley armor because of the fan backlash of her first reveal, or more so made it clear that her skin-tight outfit wasn't her only armor.  I think it's a bit of not caring and wanting to obviously apply more sex appeal to characters, it's even stated in the art book.  

Sex Appeal!

Oh I would not be surprised if the armor was added last minute because of the backlash. Notice in the art book she is not in any type of armor but in diffrent sexy outfits where in Kaidans page he is in diffrent armor types.

Not only that, he got "buffed up", didn't know biotics were so deezed.  

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

[spirosz]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

In what form?  Not everything has to be "physical" to achieve whatever the individual's desire is.  

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

I'm guessing no. 

Why wouldn't Joker though? He's far closer to EDI and in a far more relevant situation. 

[bleetman]

A little late, but I'm pretty sure I got the idea that EDI was given a sexy body to make her sexy because it says as much in the art book.

Why did EDI's body need to be sexy? Certainly not for what it used to do - I don't imagine a rocking bosom was a prerequesite for infiltrating an alliance research facility. I'm surprised it didn't attract suspicion, even. Was it required for her character growth, in developing a new perspective on individuality and what it means to be alive? Well, no. For the Joker romance, maybe? I don't see why, unless they decided to make Joker unbelievably shallow as a person. Or perhaps it was necessary for her combat capabilities? Yeah, I'm just going to leave that one for other people to make suggestions on. Let's hear it.

So if it had nothing to do with her body previous to her obtaining it, nothing to do with her development as a character and nothing to do with her function as a squad member, what does that leave. Oh right. Sex appeal.

Modifié par bleetman, 09 février 2013 - 12:41 .

[Eterna]

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

In what form?  Not everything has to be "physical" to achieve whatever the individual's desire is.  

It is for a fulfilling romantic relationship. Humans are shallow, we form romantic relationships with other humans because to do so is our nature, we do not feel sexual attractions to things that are distinctly not human. That is why so many people romance Liara, she is alien, but at the same time human enough that we can feel a attraction to them. Even Garrus is close enough to  a human that we can feel an attraction to his personality at least. 

A talking orb is a talking orb. It has no eyes no mouth, it has nothing human about it besides a voice and pre programmed personality. She is too unhuman in that form for a human being to feel a natural inclination to romance her. 

[spirosz]

Eterna5 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

In what form?  Not everything has to be "physical" to achieve whatever the individual's desire is.  

It is for a fulfilling romantic relationship. Humans are shallow, we form romantic relationships with other humans because to do so is our nature, we do not feel sexual attractions to things that are distinctly not human. That is why so many people romance Liara, she is alien, but at the same time human enough that we can feel a attraction to them. Even Garrus is close enough to  a human that we can feel an attraction to his personality at least. 

A talking orb is a talking orb. It has no eyes no mouth, it has nothing human about it besides a voice and pre programmed personality. She is too unhuman in that form for a human being to feel a natural inclination to romance her. 

Again, the physical aspect I understand, but even at this day and age, that can be avoided if the two individuals desire this and can still have a fullfilling romantic relationship.  I highly doubt this didn't evolve in the ME universe timeline. 

Also, a voice can do many things.... haha

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

I'm guessing no. 

Why wouldn't Joker though? He's far closer to EDI and in a far more relevant situation. 

Because there is more to a romantic relationship that just a liking for a persons personality. 

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

I'm guessing no. 

Why wouldn't Joker though? He's far closer to EDI and in a far more relevant situation. 

Because there is more to a romantic relationship that just a liking for a persons personality. 

There's plenty of couples who like eachother for who they are, not what they look like. For crapsakes, Shepard can romance Garrus who looks like a dam cricket yet Shepard and Garrus don't care in the romance, they love eachother for who they are. So again, Joker and EDI could have had a relationship without her body, there was no need for it, unless they wnated to make him so shallow.

[CynicalShep]

I think they took it in a wrong direction with the sex-bot body. I understand the motivation but judging by people's reactions EDI's new body failed to serve its purpose. Either make her look less human (breasts - for instance would have to be part of the cover, not the metallic chassis) or have her hack Eva while she's trying to escape and give her a human body.
Her watching porn was the proverbial icing on the cake, though. It was the "ok, now I can't take her seriously" moment for me. I almost felt bad for Joker's drooling, too. I wanted to just take him to Thessia and buy him some hookers.

[dreamgazer]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

I'm guessing no. 

Why wouldn't Joker though? He's far closer to EDI and in a far more relevant situation. 

... he already had one, in an unconventional way. That's the shame out of this.

[Eterna]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

I'm guessing no. 

Why wouldn't Joker though? He's far closer to EDI and in a far more relevant situation. 

Because there is more to a romantic relationship that just a liking for a persons personality. 

There's plenty of couples who like eachother for who they are, not what they look like. For crapsakes, Shepard can romance Garrus who looks like a dam cricket yet Shepard and Garrus don't care in the romance, they love eachother for who they are. So again, Joker and EDI could have had a relationship without her body, there was no need for it, unless they wnated to make him so shallow.

I wasn't talking about just looks when I said that. It is hard to have a fulfilling relationship with something that is unable to even touch you. Physical contact is an integral part of human relationships.  Would you feel happy in a relationship if you couldn;t even hug or cry on your partners shoulder in a time of distress? 

Garrus can do all of those things, EDI in her orb form cannot. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 09 février 2013 - 12:49 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Eterna5 wrote...
Do the face to face conversations matter if the people talking to her simply regard her as a tool?

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

 They say thank you after she finishes running errands for them and she explains the Normandys system to them....

Out of all the people we see talking to EDI, they treat her more than a tool.

The relationship with Joker was both. This "serious" relationship is muddled by the whole sex bot thing. Have you seen how he acts when the body is revealed?

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

I wasn't talking about just looks when I said that. It is hard to have a fulfilling relationship with something that is unable to even touch you. Physical contact is an integral part of human relationships.  Would you feel happy in a relationship if you couldn;t even hug or cry on your partners shoulder in a time of distress? 

I'm not Joker. Joker and EDi's relationship in ME2 was fantastic because it started off awkward and it changed, in ME3 it's just creepy as hell because as soon as she get's her sexbot he wants her now. That is shallow.

Modifié par Mr.House, 09 février 2013 - 12:50 .

[humes spork]

Eterna5 wrote...

...we do not feel sexual attractions to things that are distinctly not human.

You know, I don't even have to go googling to know how much crap that is. If it can be screwed, or otherwise used to get off, some human, somewhere and some time, has used it for that express purpose. I used to know a woman who was into dogs, for god's sake.

Modifié par humes spork, 09 février 2013 - 12:52 .

[dreamgazer]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Have you seen how he acts when the body is revealed?

Like a goofy pubescent teenager, which isn't exactly OOC.

[Eterna]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Do the face to face conversations matter if the people talking to her simply regard her as a tool?

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

 They say thank you after she finishes running errands for them and she explains the Normandys system to them....

Out of all the people we see talking to EDI, they treat her more than a tool.

The relationship with Joker was both. This "serious" relationship is muddled by the whole sex bot thing. Have you seen how he acts when the body is revealed?

Yeah but that's Joker. It's part of his character. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

I'm guessing no. 

Why wouldn't Joker though? He's far closer to EDI and in a far more relevant situation. 

Because there is more to a romantic relationship that just a liking for a persons personality. 

What's more important to Joker and EDI's relationship? Looks have varying degrees of importance to people, but I think it's safe to say that most real, lasting relationships work because the people involved like each other for their personalities far more than they like each for more superficial reasons. This is basically suggesting that Joker is only attracted to EDI once she gains an overly sexualized physical form, which is shallow. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 09 février 2013 - 12:51 .

[Belisarius25]

Her sexbot body also leads to the Donnelly/Daniels conversation where he goes into detail about it/fantasizing about Daniels oiling it up, which is somewhat awkward (in addition to him suggesting Gabby proposition Samantha) when them getting together is meant to be cute/positive.

[Eterna]

humes spork wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

...we do not feel sexual attractions to things that are distinctly not human.

You know, I don't even have to go googling to know how much crap that is. If it can be screwed, or otherwise used to get off, some human, somewhere and some time, has used it for that express purpose.

 

 Well sure, some people can get off to dogs and dead bodies. The thing is, those people are sick and those aren't healthy relationships. Mental illness can make us find a lot of things attractive, I was watching a TV show where a guy was sexually attracted to his car. 

 Joker is not mentally ill as far as I know. To have a fulfilling healthy relationship our partner needs to be able to return our feelings in a hummanistic fashion. 

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

I'm guessing no. 

Why wouldn't Joker though? He's far closer to EDI and in a far more relevant situation. 

Because there is more to a romantic relationship that just a liking for a persons personality. 

What's more important to Joker and EDI's relationship? Looks have varying degrees of importance to people, but I think it's safe to say that most real, lasting relationships work because the people involved like each other for their personalities far more than they like each for more superficial reasons. This is basically suggesting that Joker is only attracted to EDI once she gains an overly sexualized physical form, which is shallow. 

I already answered this, read up a bit. 

[Ticonderoga117]

dreamgazer wrote...
Like a goofy pubescent teenager, which isn't exactly OOC.

Too anyone else he didn't establish a relationship with before, sure. But this is EDI. I just don't feel that Joker would've done that to EDI after all they went through.

[Sejborg]

Before playing the game I did find it lame. But when playing the game I was fine with it, and EDI was actually one of my most used squadmembers.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

I already answered this, read up a bit. 

So you're saying Joker is attracted to EDI because of her exaggerated bodily features, more than he's attracted to anything else about her. 

Look, I'm not entirely against EDI gaining a human body somehow, but I'm against how it looks, and people react to it, especially Joker. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 09 février 2013 - 01:01 .