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[Lars Honeytoast]

Yes, it was ridiculous, truth be told. My Shepard never would've allowed it. Not a fan of this particular choice.

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

I wasn't talking about just looks when I said that. It is hard to have a fulfilling relationship with something that is unable to even touch you. Physical contact is an integral part of human relationships.  Would you feel happy in a relationship if you couldn;t even hug or cry on your partners shoulder in a time of distress? 

Garrus can do all of those things, EDI in her orb form cannot. 

EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The relationship was Joker was more one of understanding than actual friendship. Notice how Joker doesn;t consider a serious relationship with her until she recieves her body. 

I actually found that incredibly shallow of him, especially after how he defended unshackling EDI to Miranda in ME2

Would you consider a relationship with a talking globe? 

I'm guessing no. 

Why wouldn't Joker though? He's far closer to EDI and in a far more relevant situation. 

Because there is more to a romantic relationship that just a liking for a persons personality. 

What's more important to Joker and EDI's relationship? Looks have varying degrees of importance to people, but I think it's safe to say that most real, lasting relationships work because the people involved like each other for their personalities far more than they like each for more superficial reasons. This is basically suggesting that Joker is only attracted to EDI once she gains an overly sexualized physical form, which is shallow. 

I already answered this, read up a bit. 

So you're saying Joker is attracted to EDI because of her exaggerated bodily features, more than he's attracted to anything else about her. 

No I'm saying he wouldn't consider her a rommantic option until she has a hummanistic form which is capable of having a fulfilling human relationship. It's not really shallow, humans seek human companionship, EDI is unable to provide the full extent of human companionship without a physical body. 

And by physical I don't just mean sex. 

[BeastSaver]

nevermind

Modifié par BeastSaver, 09 février 2013 - 01:24 .

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I wasn't talking about just looks when I said that. It is hard to have a fulfilling relationship with something that is unable to even touch you. Physical contact is an integral part of human relationships.  Would you feel happy in a relationship if you couldn;t even hug or cry on your partners shoulder in a time of distress? 

Garrus can do all of those things, EDI in her orb form cannot. 

EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Or it could have just been weird and awkward like this guy: 

Replace car with Normandy. You may not like it, but for a healthy romantic relationship to be fulfilling there has to be more than just a liking for someones personality. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 09 février 2013 - 01:06 .

[Nicksta92]

I liked it because I feel she developed as a character. She grew in her artificial intelligence and that could be portrayed in a more familiar way through a body. I really wish the bubble from ME2 was still a visible part of her on the ship, though.

[Kataphrut94]

I still consider it hypocritical for people to complain about sexualised characters when the Mass Effect series has been around since 2007. After all, the people who love Miranda are only interested in her personality. And Tali is not several different nerd fetishes rolled into one. And the asari race is one of the most thought-provoking and cleverly written concepts ever.

Sarcasm aside, I love EDI's line when she talks about Joker's first reaction to her body:

"When Jeff first saw me in this platform, he said I did not have to conform to societal standards of feminine beauty. I then called him on his bulls***, and we proceeded to talk normally."

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

No I'm saying he wouldn't consider her a rommantic option until she has a hummanistic form which is capable of having a fulfilling human relationship. It's not really shallow, humans seek human companionship, EDI is unable to provide the full extent of human companionship without a physical body.

Yeah, that's why it would be both interesting and unique, instead of shallow because Joker suddenly sees EDI as attractive one she has a giant pair of breasts and a big *ss. 

And by physical I don't just mean sex. 

Their physical relationship is Joker piloting the Normandy.

No, I'm not trying to imply, or want people to infer, that this is supposed to be sexual in any way. 

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I wasn't talking about just looks when I said that. It is hard to have a fulfilling relationship with something that is unable to even touch you. Physical contact is an integral part of human relationships.  Would you feel happy in a relationship if you couldn;t even hug or cry on your partners shoulder in a time of distress? 

Garrus can do all of those things, EDI in her orb form cannot. 

EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Or it could have just been weird and awkward like this guy: 

Replace car with Normandy. You may not like it, but for a healthy romantic relationship to be fulfilling there has to be more than just a liking for someones personality. 

The relationship in ME3 is already awakward.........................

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No I'm saying he wouldn't consider her a rommantic option until she has a hummanistic form which is capable of having a fulfilling human relationship. It's not really shallow, humans seek human companionship, EDI is unable to provide the full extent of human companionship without a physical body.

Yeah, that's why it would be both interesting and unique,

And it would have made as much sense as Synthesis does. So I'll say it again. Humans cannot have a healthy relationship without certain requirements being met. Joker getting a sense of rommantic feelings from driving the Normandy would literally be a form of mental illness. 

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I wasn't talking about just looks when I said that. It is hard to have a fulfilling relationship with something that is unable to even touch you. Physical contact is an integral part of human relationships.  Would you feel happy in a relationship if you couldn;t even hug or cry on your partners shoulder in a time of distress? 

Garrus can do all of those things, EDI in her orb form cannot. 

EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Or it could have just been weird and awkward like this guy: 

Replace car with Normandy. You may not like it, but for a healthy romantic relationship to be fulfilling there has to be more than just a liking for someones personality. 

Or maybe not

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No I'm saying he wouldn't consider her a rommantic option until she has a hummanistic form which is capable of having a fulfilling human relationship. It's not really shallow, humans seek human companionship, EDI is unable to provide the full extent of human companionship without a physical body.

Yeah, that's why it would be both interesting and unique,

And it would have made as much sense as Synthesis does. So I'll say it again. Humans cannot have a healthy relationship without certain requirements being met. Joker getting a sense of rommantic feelings from driving the Normandy would literally be a form of mental illness. 

But breaking his bones so he can insert into EDI is fine.

[Eterna]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I wasn't talking about just looks when I said that. It is hard to have a fulfilling relationship with something that is unable to even touch you. Physical contact is an integral part of human relationships.  Would you feel happy in a relationship if you couldn;t even hug or cry on your partners shoulder in a time of distress? 

Garrus can do all of those things, EDI in her orb form cannot. 

EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Or it could have just been weird and awkward like this guy: 

Replace car with Normandy. You may not like it, but for a healthy romantic relationship to be fulfilling there has to be more than just a liking for someones personality. 

The relationship in ME3 is already awakward.........................

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

You do know Jokers bones can break very easily.... Which was established in...MASS EFFECT.

Also you assume Joker would be making out with the dashboard.

Modifié par Mr.House, 09 février 2013 - 01:15 .

[Eterna]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No I'm saying he wouldn't consider her a rommantic option until she has a hummanistic form which is capable of having a fulfilling human relationship. It's not really shallow, humans seek human companionship, EDI is unable to provide the full extent of human companionship without a physical body.

Yeah, that's why it would be both interesting and unique,

And it would have made as much sense as Synthesis does. So I'll say it again. Humans cannot have a healthy relationship without certain requirements being met. Joker getting a sense of rommantic feelings from driving the Normandy would literally be a form of mental illness. 

But breaking his bones so he can insert into EDI is fine.

I wouldn't say it's fine, I'm sure such a relationship in the mass effect universe would be heavily frowned upon. It at least makes sense that a person could form a romantic relationship with With an artificial intelligence that inhabits a physical form with distinct human qualities and has a unique personality. 

[Ticonderoga117]

iakus wrote...
EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Hit the nail on the head.

[noobcannon]

[Eterna]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

You do know Jokers bones can break very easily.... Which was established in...MASS EFFECT.

I'm aware, but as you said, there is more to a relationship than just sex. In a human body EDI can provide humanistic companionship. 

[Eterna]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

iakus wrote...
EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Hit the nail on the head.

Objectophilia 

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...


I wouldn't say it's fine, I'm sure such a relationship in the mass effect universe would be heavily frowned upon. It at least makes sense that a person could form a romantic relationship with With an artificial intelligence that inhabits a physical form with distinct human qualities and has a unique personality. 

Again, Jokers bones can break by him just sneazing too hard. Him doing it hard with a robotic body is not oging to work. Which is why Joiker and EDI when she was just the hsip worked fine. Also less creepy. You seem to have no problem with Joker having sex with a bucket of bolts, but having emotions for his ship?

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No I'm saying he wouldn't consider her a rommantic option until she has a hummanistic form which is capable of having a fulfilling human relationship. It's not really shallow, humans seek human companionship, EDI is unable to provide the full extent of human companionship without a physical body.

Yeah, that's why it would be both interesting and unique,

And it would have made as much sense as Synthesis does. So I'll say it again. Humans cannot have a healthy relationship without certain requirements being met. Joker getting a sense of rommantic feelings from driving the Normandy would literally be a form of mental illness. 

Actually, I'm not suggesting Joker becomes romantically attached solely to the Normandy, I'm suggesting that his attachment shoudln't derive primrily from the fact that EDI has an attractive human body. 

[Eterna]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


I wouldn't say it's fine, I'm sure such a relationship in the mass effect universe would be heavily frowned upon. It at least makes sense that a person could form a romantic relationship with With an artificial intelligence that inhabits a physical form with distinct human qualities and has a unique personality. 

Again, Jokers bones can break by him just sneazing too hard. Him doing it hard with a robotic body is not oging to work. Which is why Joiker and EDI when she was just the hsip worked fine. Also less creepy. You seem to have no problem with Joker having sex with a bucket of bolts, but having emotions for his ship?

No I never said any of that. You just keep inferring that by physical interaction I mean sex. 

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

You do know Jokers bones can break very easily.... Which was established in...MASS EFFECT.

I'm aware, but as you said, there is more to a relationship than just sex. In a human body EDI can provide humanistic companionship. 

sigh How is this not creepy or less creepy then Joker and orb EDI have a relationship?

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

iakus wrote...
EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Hit the nail on the head.

The concept of body with machine and organics are different. To machines, the body is more like clothes then what they are.
The normandy is not here body asmuch as the eva body is not her body.

ME3 did not miss that make, even having many conversations about it.

It no a juvenal fanasy because
A)Ir was not avalible to the player.
b]It was Edi who started the romance.

It soumd more like you're paying attetion too much tothe EVA body then listening o what is said.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

iakus wrote...
EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Hit the nail on the head.

Objectophilia 

EDI is more than just an inanimate object.