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[Legbiter]

Not really OP, I thought it a logical continuation of her character arc. The earnest Pinocchio shtick grated a bit though.

As to the BSN distaining EDI, eh, I don't really care whatever pet peeve makes BSN's jowly, cheetos-stained neckbeards turn all turkey red with indignation. The fact that threads like this get posted usually makes one wince in sympathy for the OP and feeling good about one's life, simualtaneously..

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No I'm saying he wouldn't consider her a rommantic option until she has a hummanistic form which is capable of having a fulfilling human relationship. It's not really shallow, humans seek human companionship, EDI is unable to provide the full extent of human companionship without a physical body.

Yeah, that's why it would be both interesting and unique,

And it would have made as much sense as Synthesis does. So I'll say it again. Humans cannot have a healthy relationship without certain requirements being met. Joker getting a sense of rommantic feelings from driving the Normandy would literally be a form of mental illness. 

Actually, I'm not suggesting Joker becomes romantically attached solely to the Normandy, I'm suggesting that his attachment shoudln't derive primrily from the fact that EDI has an attractive human body. 

Her body isn't the reason for the attachment, it is her personality. Her body just gives him the incentive to persue a relationship. You aren't going to try and argue that relationships don't need a form of physical attraction to atleast initiate? Because that is a fudamental part of our biology.  

[Mr.House]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

iakus wrote...
EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Hit the nail on the head.

The concept of body with machine and organics are different. To machines, the body is more like clothes then what they are.
The normandy is not here body asmuch as the eva body is not her body.

ME3 did not miss that make, even having many conversations about it.

It no a juvenal fanasy because
A)Ir was not avalible to the player.
b]It was Edi who started the romance.

It soumd more like you're paying attetion too much tothe EVA body then listening o what is said.

Joker started the romance, not EDI. Joker also wants to have sex with her, this notion is not showen by EDI.

[MegaSovereign]

ME3's representation of synthetic life is annoyingly human in comparison to ME2.

ME2 did the organic/synthetic theme better.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No I'm saying he wouldn't consider her a rommantic option until she has a hummanistic form which is capable of having a fulfilling human relationship. It's not really shallow, humans seek human companionship, EDI is unable to provide the full extent of human companionship without a physical body.

Yeah, that's why it would be both interesting and unique,

And it would have made as much sense as Synthesis does. So I'll say it again. Humans cannot have a healthy relationship without certain requirements being met. Joker getting a sense of rommantic feelings from driving the Normandy would literally be a form of mental illness. 

Actually, I'm not suggesting Joker becomes romantically attached solely to the Normandy, I'm suggesting that his attachment shoudln't derive primrily from the fact that EDI has an attractive human body. 

Mayne you should take the time here to note your arguement is mute.
1.EDI was the one who started the romance with Joker, Not Joker wanting to romace EDI.
2.Joker was also reluctent to even startthe romance and had to be convinced by Shepard to allow the romance to even happen.

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

iakus wrote...
EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Hit the nail on the head.

Objectophilia 

EDI is more than just an inanimate object.

The Normandy certainly is. 

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Normandy certainly is. 

We are not talking about the Normandy, we are talking about EDI.

[Eterna]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

You do know Jokers bones can break very easily.... Which was established in...MASS EFFECT.

I'm aware, but as you said, there is more to a relationship than just sex. In a human body EDI can provide humanistic companionship. 

sigh How is this not creepy or less creepy then Joker and orb EDI have a relationship?

Because she is a personality housed in a human like physical form that is capable of meeting all the needs for a fulfilling romantic relationship. 

[Eterna]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Normandy certainly is. 

We are not talking about the Normandy, we are talking about EDI.

"EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy. "

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

You do know Jokers bones can break very easily.... Which was established in...MASS EFFECT.

I'm aware, but as you said, there is more to a relationship than just sex. In a human body EDI can provide humanistic companionship. 

sigh How is this not creepy or less creepy then Joker and orb EDI have a relationship?

Because she is a personality housed in a human like physical form that is capable of meeting all the needs for a fulfilling romantic relationship. 

So having sex with a car is bad....but having sex with a robot which is metal is fine as long as it looks human?

[dreman9999]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

ME3's representation of synthetic life is annoyingly human in comparison to ME2.

ME2 did the organic/synthetic theme better.

Not really.
In ME3 we had synthetic life ether.

A. Advance to acheive a self.(The geth and Legion.)
B. Self question it self and simulated human like a child imatation a parent/(EDI)

ME2 just brought the case that there are 2 sided to the organic/synthetic conflict and how badorganics can muck things up to cause it.

[Eterna]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

ME3's representation of synthetic life is annoyingly human in comparison to ME2.

The Pinocchio trope is actually one of my favorite themes in fantasy and literature. 

I find it fascinating. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 09 février 2013 - 01:28 .

[dreman9999]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Normandy certainly is. 

We are not talking about the Normandy, we are talking about EDI.

"EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy. "

The concept of body with machine and organics are different. To machines, the body is more like clothes then what they are.
The normandy is not here body as much as the eva body is not her body.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...
Her body isn't the reason for the attachment, it is her personality. Her body just gives him the incentive to persue a relationship.

I beg to differ. Far more emphasis is placed on her appearance than any other aspect of her character. 

You aren't going to try and argue that relationships don't need a form of physical attraction to atleast initiate? Because that is a fudamental part of our biology.  

Why would I? Again, I'm not suggesting Joker form an a romantic attachment to the ship,

[dreman9999]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

You do know Jokers bones can break very easily.... Which was established in...MASS EFFECT.

I'm aware, but as you said, there is more to a relationship than just sex. In a human body EDI can provide humanistic companionship. 

sigh How is this not creepy or less creepy then Joker and orb EDI have a relationship?

Because she is a personality housed in a human like physical form that is capable of meeting all the needs for a fulfilling romantic relationship. 

You do undestand it was EDI who started the romance...Not Joker.

Modifié par dreman9999, 09 février 2013 - 01:30 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

You do know Jokers bones can break very easily.... Which was established in...MASS EFFECT.

I'm aware, but as you said, there is more to a relationship than just sex. In a human body EDI can provide humanistic companionship. 

sigh How is this not creepy or less creepy then Joker and orb EDI have a relationship?

Because she is a personality housed in a human like physical form that is capable of meeting all the needs for a fulfilling romantic relationship. 

So having sex with a car is bad....but having sex with a robot which is metal is fine as long as it looks human?

EDI isn't an inanimate object. She's an intelligent, self aware being with a fully formed personality. If the car was an intelligent, self-aware being with a personality then things would be different.

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Her body isn't the reason for the attachment, it is her personality. Her body just gives him the incentive to persue a relationship.

I beg to differ. Far more emphasis is placed on her appearance than any other aspect of her character. 

You aren't going to try and argue that relationships don't need a form of physical attraction to atleast initiate? Because that is a fudamental part of our biology.  

Why would I? Again, I'm not suggesting Joker form an a romantic attachment to the ship,

You're trying to suggest that a person can have a fulfilling relationship solely based on someones personality which is simply not true. 

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Her body isn't the reason for the attachment, it is her personality. Her body just gives him the incentive to persue a relationship.

I beg to differ. Far more emphasis is placed on her appearance than any other aspect of her character. 

You aren't going to try and argue that relationships don't need a form of physical attraction to atleast initiate? Because that is a fudamental part of our biology.  

Why would I? Again, I'm not suggesting Joker form an a romantic attachment to the ship,

You do undestand it was EDI who started the romance...Not Joker.

[MegaSovereign]

Romancing a synthetic was always silly to begin with, with or without the sexy body.

I always viewed Joker and EDI's relationship as platonic. I thought Bioware was kidding around pre-release when they were hinting at a romance between the two. It seemed more like misguided fanfare.

Regardless, I enjoyed EDI's character development in the third game, even if I didn't like the direction they decided to take with synthetics.

Modifié par The-Biotic-God, 09 février 2013 - 01:32 .

[Eterna]

dreman9999 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Not as awkward as it could be. At least with EDI in a body their is probably grounds for a fulfilling relationship to occur as apposed to Joker making out with the Normandys dashboard. 

You do know Jokers bones can break very easily.... Which was established in...MASS EFFECT.

I'm aware, but as you said, there is more to a relationship than just sex. In a human body EDI can provide humanistic companionship. 

sigh How is this not creepy or less creepy then Joker and orb EDI have a relationship?

Because she is a personality housed in a human like physical form that is capable of meeting all the needs for a fulfilling romantic relationship. 

You do undestand it was EDI who started the romance...Not Joker.

That's actually sort of irrelevant to what we are discussing. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

iakus wrote...
EDI isn't the orb.  She isn't even the 'bot, really.  She's the Normandy.

That's where the Joker/EDI relationship really missed the mark.  Here was an opportunity to show an organic/synthetic relationship that really transcended physical boundaries, and instead EDI's appearance gets reduced to a juvenile fantasy.

Hit the nail on the head.

Objectophilia 

EDI is more than just an inanimate object.

The Normandy certainly is. 

So it'snot objectophillia. This is far more natural than some loony having sex with a car, EDI can talk, could easily enough conjure a more human projection instead of an orb, can interact with others, and has a personality. 

[Mr.House]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...



EDI isn't an inanimate object. She's an intelligent, self aware being with a fully formed personality. If the car was an intelligent, self-aware being with a personality then things would be different.

True EDI is not, but the robot body is when she is not in it, She can leave that body anytime she wants to, what happens if she has something important to do and leaves while Joker is going at it? Yes I can make the joker and EDI relationship in ME3 even more creepy then it already is.

[Mr.House]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

Romancing a synthetic was always silly to begin with, with or without the sexy body.

I always viewed Joker and EDI's relationship as platonic. I thought Bioware was kidding around pre-release when they were hinting at a romance between the two. It seemed more like misguided fanfare.

Regardless, I enjoyed EDI's character development in the third game, even if I didn't like the direction they decided to take with synthetics.

The romance thing was teased before ME2 even came out, it was always going to happen.

[Eterna]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

Romancing a synthetic was always silly to begin with, with or without the sexy body.

I always viewed Joker and EDI's relationship as platonic. I thought Bioware was kidding around pre-release when they were hinting at a romance between the two. It seemed more like misguided fanfare.

Regardless, I enjoyed EDI's character development in the third game, even if I didn't like the direction they decided to take with synthetics.

Why was the romance silly? She is a personality with a human like character and is able to even give consent, so why not? 

[Dark_Caduceus]

Eterna5 wrote...

The-Biotic-God wrote...

Romancing a synthetic was always silly to begin with, with or without the sexy body.

I always viewed Joker and EDI's relationship as platonic. I thought Bioware was kidding around pre-release when they were hinting at a romance between the two. It seemed more like misguided fanfare.

Regardless, I enjoyed EDI's character development in the third game, even if I didn't like the direction they decided to take with synthetics.

Why was the romance silly? She is a personality with a human like character and is able to even give consent, so why not? 

Indeed, the behaviour is not silly; the way they executed her getting a body (or her getting a body at all) is what I find silly.