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[Jaap - Bonk Off]

Well after I encountered Levi I decided to buy DLC, so it wasn't a bad thing for me.



Still I understand that some may find this annoying seeing you can not just take that side-quest because you have to pay actual money, would be better if you'd encounter him in the camp ONCE you got the DLC or something like that.

[Sibelius1]

Darth Wraith wrote...

Option A: Have the money-grubbing hacks from BioWare and their evil, soul-crushing overlords at EA destroy your gaming experience and ruin your immersion by having one (1) character offer you DLC with one (1) conversation choice,

or

Option B: Not engage Levi in conversation, seeing as how he has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the plot of the game.

See how easy life can be?

I think it is the precedent that has been set that worries most people.

Where do we go from here?

What aggressive sales technique will be used in game in the next Bioware release?

[gx99-nq9y]

i dont see a problem of celling content in game, Tripwire does it to with killingfloor, they have advertising ingame abouth Red orchestra and there killingfloor dlc

[Aldridgeguy]

The whole DLC thing p*sses me off either in game or otherwise. It is obviously just a money making scam. For instance, the voice interactions with Shale and other members of your party were obviously recorded in the studio at the same time that the actors recorded the voices for the rest of the game ( they wouldn't have recalled all the actors again just to record the " Shale interactions ") which indicates to me that even at the begining stage of the game they knew they were going to be screwing us for more money for something they could have easily put in the original game from the get-go, this reinforces my earlier point about if it's good enough to be in the game at all then put it in the original game and don't try wringing every last brass penny you can out of players who already pay enough for your games in the first place !!!

Modifié par Aldridgeguy, 10 janvier 2010 - 01:10 .

[Eisberg1977]

Magic Zarim wrote...

Oh ofcourse my friend! When I first noted the NPCs, being all in-character, I walked up to him and began talking to him... only to realize he took me nicely out-of-character with terms like "premium content" and hot-links to an out-of-character-out-of-game webbrowser! The Penny-Arcade comic is SPOT ON.

From then on I ignored him. But everytime I was in the camp, seeing him from the corner of my eye, reminded me of the experience. Each time. Every time. Like trying to ignore a colleage at work you loathe. Thanks for giving me that experience in-game EA!

Your option B is not even an option - Every new player that sees the NPC for the first time WILL walk up to him to see why that man came to your camp. Only to be unpleasantly surprised.

What do you think would have happened when it says "(Download New Content) I need a moment and I will help"  Anyone 17 years or older should have known they were going to be taken out of the game to download new content using that conversation option.  That Penny Arcade comic blows the whole thing way way out of proportion.  I had Warden's Keep when I bought the game, so I never saw what people were talking about, and they often used the comic as a representation of how they feel, and I was thinking it was really horrible way that Bioware did it.  Then I decided to try it out for myself, and realized that people have turned a pebble into a freakin huge planet.  That Penny arcade comic is way way off, because it gives you the feeling that Dryden has dialoge to sell you the DLC, when in fact he does not, not even close.

[w4rm0ng3r]

Just delete BioWare\\Dragon Age\\Offers folder from your documents folder and say bye to Levi. It's what I did right away.

[Edelwolf]

Magic Zarim wrote...

I just can NOT believe that people actually approve of the method.

Nobody is thrilled over this, but for us this isn't something we'd cut our wrists for.

It is very much like this, like I stated in another thread:

You are watching BatMan: Gotham's Gift, the "critically acclaimed" sequel to Batman: The Dark Knight at your local theatre. The story kicks ass and you're watching a scene where Batman is chasing the Joker in his Batmobile, a highly spectacular persuit. Thrilled with the action, Batman then turns his face to the camera, to the viewer and then says "Hey, you can buy replicas of me, my new Batmobile and if you want, even that goon of a Joker at a Warner Bros store near you!", only to have him turn his face back onto the road as he continues to chase the Joker.

Poor example there. Just never talk to the strange camp follower with the exclamation mark over his head and you'll never notice any advertisement in this game.

There's far bigger issues with this game, like the increasing loadtimes, crap talents and important gameplay stuff.

[Edelwolf]

Obtusifolius wrote...

Edelwolf wrote...

Nobody is thrilled over this, but for us this isn't something we'd cut our wrists for.

Poor example there. Just never talk to the strange camp follower with the exclamation mark over his head and you'll never notice any advertisement in this game.

There's far bigger issues with this game, like the increasing loadtimes, crap talents and important gameplay stuff.

I don't think it is a matter of ignoring him for most people; rather it is the fact of the crassness (to borrow someone else's word) of its very implementation that is a bit off-colour

For a lot of people it heralds a rather suspect new direction for BioWare, which I think is an entirely valid concern.

It's no great suprise, Bioware are EA now.
If they really go down the drain and start doing really annoying things, like for example interupting combat for in-game ads, than I'll just stop buying their games. No worries.

[Glorious_Leader]

Ads in-game are fine when they fit into the environment, such as in Prototype where you'll encounter Gamestop billboards around the city or in Rainbow Six Vegas 2, where glass-encased advertising signs could actually be used as cover[Axe Bodyspray, you have saved my ass many times]. However, I've always been opposed to the concept as a whole, for fear that it would cause the very situation we're dealing with now: ads being forced into games they don't belong in.



In truth, I thought that the act would make publishers less willing to take up projects that take place in environments that don't cater to advertisers. However, in deviance to my prediction I instead see that they're content with destroying the immersion of games that do take place in such settings. It saddens me.

[Few87]

I was going to post something here, but im far too scared of stanley woo.

[Iris562]

You know, in real life, people do this all the time and I bet no one notices it, or ties it to being similar to Levi when in fact, it's the same thing. You know, in those magazines, or on the streets, or off the internet; you get "Sample Products"? Yeah, that's exactly what Levy Dryden is. A sample product. I don't see any of you moaning about those, so get over yourselves, and just play the damn game already.

[King Killoth]

I didn't mind the ingame advertiseing. It was not as bad as you make it out to seem it was one guy standing there and he told youa bout the dlc and offerd you the option to buy it. it was not forced or shoved in your face or anything like that you could ignore him like most npcs.I kinda liked it cuse it added a bit of grander to the game like i was not just isolated to my own game. felt like bioware was sorta leaveing me a easter egg to new stuff in the future. I wouldn't mind if they added a town crier telling me updates and upcomeing dlcs and so on.

[Franpa]

Either use a special symbol above the sellers instead of a quest marker or add an option to disable downloading/presentation of promotional in-game content (not the advertising in the game lobby though)

[Eisberg1977]

Glorious_Leader wrote...

Ads in-game are fine when they fit into the environment, such as in Prototype where you'll encounter Gamestop billboards around the city or in Rainbow Six Vegas 2, where glass-encased advertising signs could actually be used as cover[Axe Bodyspray, you have saved my ass many times]. However, I've always been opposed to the concept as a whole, for fear that it would cause the very situation we're dealing with now: ads being forced into games they don't belong in.

In truth, I thought that the act would make publishers less willing to take up projects that take place in environments that don't cater to advertisers. However, in deviance to my prediction I instead see that they're content with destroying the immersion of games that do take place in such settings. It saddens me.

Except for with Levi Dryden, you can talk to him, and he doesn't try to sell you anything.  No selling happens within the game at all.  Instead you are given an option "(Download New Content) Give me a moment and I will help"  Then when you pick to download new content, you are then taken out of the game to a different place.  You are mearly given an option to exit out of the game through the conversation reply, Dryden himself does not in fact sell you anything, that some many people seem to make want us to believe.

[Iris562]

Obtusifolius wrote...

Iris562 wrote...

You know, in real life, people do this all the time and I bet no one notices it, or ties it to being similar to Levi when in fact, it's the same thing. You know, in those magazines, or on the streets, or off the internet; you get "Sample Products"? Yeah, that's exactly what Levy Dryden is. A sample product. I don't see any of you moaning about those, so get over yourselves, and just play the damn game already.

The reason people aren't moaning about those is because this is not a magazine/street/internet advertising forum. Do you really think people should be bringing their Dragon- Age-unrelated complaints to these boards in order to justify their complaints about BioWare's marketing strategies?

Good one, smartarse <_<

And for the record, I hate advertising full stop.

This whole comment made me giggle.

[Iris562]

Oh! Right, I'm supposed to reply. xD Have you browsed through forum posts, in general? It seems to me, and I could be entirely wrong; that people do use non dragon age related content to justify their arguements, just read any thread relating to the RtO DLC if you want citations.

[King Killoth]

Obtusifolius wrote...

Iris562 wrote...

You know, in real life, people do this all the time and I bet no one notices it, or ties it to being similar to Levi when in fact, it's the same thing. You know, in those magazines, or on the streets, or off the internet; you get "Sample Products"? Yeah, that's exactly what Levy Dryden is. A sample product. I don't see any of you moaning about those, so get over yourselves, and just play the damn game already.

The reason people aren't moaning about those is because this is not a magazine/street/internet advertising forum. Do you really think people should be bringing their Dragon- Age-unrelated complaints to these boards in order to justify their complaints about BioWare's marketing strategies?

Good one, smartarse <_<

And for the record, I hate advertising full stop.

Why would any one hate advertising It informs you about upcomeing things that you are most likely to buy anyway. ingame advertising is fine when its about stuff for that game alone its not like they have adds for SWOR or ME2. they are advertising for DA:O in DA:O because that is where the targeted market is. and it was not like it was in your face about it it was just the guy wh would have been there if you downloaded it from the marketplace or network or off the site anyway.

[LanceX2]

or just buy it? problem solved my friend. If you cant afford to buy DLC dont buy games. or if you just dont want it then ignore it. its simple