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People like different characters. I also don't get the Garrus love affair. I suspect people who love Varric also love Garrus. They're the same kind of character.
I dislike Garrus (he has more in common with Anders imo),
Why is Garrus so loved?
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Posté 17 septembre 2013 - 09:18
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Posté 18 septembre 2013 - 02:14
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I think a better question is: Why does the other 20% not love Garrus?
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Posté 18 septembre 2013 - 07:59
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In mass effect one, I loved giving him a rank 10 explosive rounds, rank 10 spectre weapon. Got to the saren fight on insane. Fighting saren, weapons are overloaded. All of a sudden cutscene "Like what the ****" next part of fight, 3/4 of his health bar disappears, o right Garrus must have shot him once.
He also had good powers in ME 1 for squad bonuses, and we see his space batman streak in hunting dr. heart. Then he shows up in two and you guys get to bro it out for the rest of the series.
Prepping for the final mission in three summed it up best in my mind.
There is no Shepard without Vakarian.
He also had good powers in ME 1 for squad bonuses, and we see his space batman streak in hunting dr. heart. Then he shows up in two and you guys get to bro it out for the rest of the series.
Prepping for the final mission in three summed it up best in my mind.
There is no Shepard without Vakarian.
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Posté 18 septembre 2013 - 04:57
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For me it was gradual.
ME1:
-Human squadmates: I found Ashley annoying and Kaidan boring
-Tali: Whiny, ALWAYS complaining about the geth and playing the victim; I rubbed the fact the quarians were responsible for the geth on her face whenever possible
-Liara: Creepy as hell needy attitude, always all over you, I'd stay a thousand miles away from her if she was a real person
Wrex was fun and Garrus seemed like a cool guy with potential (plus, I have a voice fetish). Their powers complemented my newbie self really well so I kept them with me for almost the whole game.
ME2:
Garrus is the first of the old squadmates you can get back. When everything was new and uncertain, having him made me feel more at ease (same with Joker, actually, I was not a fan of his in the first game but having him back made me happy). He was reliable and nice, unlike others.
And he had been doing interesting things. His powers still complemented me and were extremely useful so I took him pretty much everywhere (so that I could always have his sassy ass, cool powers and sexy voice around).
I was disappointed by his lack of lines, though. Especially because I played MaleShep in my first playthough.
ME3:
By this time, Garrus was my favorite 100%. He had been with me from the beginning, always being loyal and useful. I love his attitude, his character development and his powers. So the story of him becoming Shepard's Best Friend fits my playing style like a glove.
I love Wrex too; I took him everywhere the first time I played the Citadel DLC.
I got to like Liara a bit better (don't hate her anymore) and Tali became more interesting after she got older.
This is Garrus for me pretty much in a nutshell.
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I think I'd like him more if it came into his own a bit more. (If you keep him alive after ME2) what will it take for him to just go away and be badass on his own? In ME3, you can kill Mordin, Wrex, Ash/Kaidan, and Tali (probably someone he has a crush on). He's one of the few squadmates privy to the details of these deaths, and yet he still maintains the brown noser role.
I understand he doesn't have as much faith in his own leadership abilities, but come on. He needs to step up.
Is this why he's so loved? Because he's "never gonna give you up". He's the Rick Astley of the MEU.
I understand he doesn't have as much faith in his own leadership abilities, but come on. He needs to step up.
Is this why he's so loved? Because he's "never gonna give you up". He's the Rick Astley of the MEU.
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Posté 22 septembre 2013 - 11:05
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He agrees with whatever you do and people like that. It makes them think they are "right".
I personally prefer characters that act differently when you are a renegade or a paragon or characters to have an opinion on their own in general. I don't want them to be all like "Oh you're renegade? Okay, me too then!" or "Oooh, you love saving people?! What a coincidence *ahemcoughahem*! Me too!"
Admittedly Garrus is fun, kind and loyal, but not interesting, because there's nothing to discover; whatever you say, he agrees with it. And that's just... gah. He needs to have a personality. I don't just need to "like" a character, I need to have these realistic moments where I just plain and simple want to kill that character. I want them to be annoying, irritating, ignorant or rude every now and then.
In any case, Garrus' opinions in a nutshell:
Garrus: "I WILL KILL SIDONIS! It's my JOB it's my GOAL! ROAR!"
Paragon Shepard: "Nope.avi"
Garrus: "Haha, I was kidding. I love Sidonis! We're best buddies!"
I personally prefer characters that act differently when you are a renegade or a paragon or characters to have an opinion on their own in general. I don't want them to be all like "Oh you're renegade? Okay, me too then!" or "Oooh, you love saving people?! What a coincidence *ahemcoughahem*! Me too!"
Admittedly Garrus is fun, kind and loyal, but not interesting, because there's nothing to discover; whatever you say, he agrees with it. And that's just... gah. He needs to have a personality. I don't just need to "like" a character, I need to have these realistic moments where I just plain and simple want to kill that character. I want them to be annoying, irritating, ignorant or rude every now and then.
In any case, Garrus' opinions in a nutshell:
Garrus: "I WILL KILL SIDONIS! It's my JOB it's my GOAL! ROAR!"
Paragon Shepard: "Nope.avi"
Garrus: "Haha, I was kidding. I love Sidonis! We're best buddies!"
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:44
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That's because he is cool OP and awesome but I do use him in all missions once Tali gets involved when paired with her they're my unstoppable power house, I don't need to worry about what they're doing 9/10 battles they'll live through. The only other power house team I've used was Ash and Wrex together nothing can touch them but the game after ME no longer has my team 2.
In ME2 once a new squdie came onboard I would pair off the teams Jack + Miranda, Mordin + Garrus, Grunt + Zaeed but nothing felt as natural or flowed as well in combat as team dextro no one feels like they've got me more then these two solo or together throughout the series.
Team dextro also has great personas and in cutscenes I enjoy them most of all the others.Using Garrus + some one else doesn't give me the same confidence and assurance that we'll win as team dextro does Garrus handles himself fine on his own but together my ship is the ship with the dextro team. I felt so lost in ME3 as it took nearly to the end of the game to get Tali my shep was an alcoholic until both members were on board. He/she only cut back on the drinks partially when Garrus was found and then quit entirely once Tali was found.
In ME2 once a new squdie came onboard I would pair off the teams Jack + Miranda, Mordin + Garrus, Grunt + Zaeed but nothing felt as natural or flowed as well in combat as team dextro no one feels like they've got me more then these two solo or together throughout the series.
Team dextro also has great personas and in cutscenes I enjoy them most of all the others.Using Garrus + some one else doesn't give me the same confidence and assurance that we'll win as team dextro does Garrus handles himself fine on his own but together my ship is the ship with the dextro team. I felt so lost in ME3 as it took nearly to the end of the game to get Tali my shep was an alcoholic until both members were on board. He/she only cut back on the drinks partially when Garrus was found and then quit entirely once Tali was found.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:53
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He has an okay introduction in ME1, in ME2 he starts getting the "Shepard's best bro" treatment and becomes Space Batman. In ME3 he's basically all about being Shepard's best friend and not much else, which kind of sucked. It's not that him being a friend is bad, it's just there could have been a lot more done with him as a character (his romance with FemShep is pretty well done though).
I like him as he is, but I think he would have been more interesting had they done something more than write him to be cool (and avoided overdoing the calibration jokes).
Finding out he was being space batman in 2 did shock me when I first saw him blowing away the mercs I went, " Garrus? I thought we moved past this already! What the hell are you doing man!" I wanted to shake some sense into him I thought his whole stalker murder days was gone in 1.
But yes I agree I loved the romace between him and Fshep it was almost perfect the only thing that made it a 9/10 was the one second kiss and done moment no tender effection no spark between two lover like ME had very very disapointing but I did have fun with the dance scene however that moment doesn't make up for that missed oppertunity.
I also like how mshep and he talk its bro its soilder its commonality I feel like he's got my back no matter what compared to fshep's hers is more carring, supportive, soft, and no secrets are kept he won't say what I want to hear its what is true I feel like I can do anything there's nothing that can't be overcome.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 03:47
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Because he is the Robin to Shepards Batman.
He also works well as a companion no matter what your alignment is. He is either a bad ass space cop or a merciless vigilante.
He also works well as a companion no matter what your alignment is. He is either a bad ass space cop or a merciless vigilante.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 04:42
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To be honest I found Garus a bit whiny in ME1. He only got interesting in ME2.
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He only got interesting in ME2.
Because he practically didn't say anything in ME2. The less said, the better. He was calibrating most of the time.
My other two snipers were worth talking to (Thane and Zaeed.. even though you don't actually talk to Zaeed. You just sit at his feet and learn).
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Garrus is well liked because he fulfills all the requirements. He is experienced, competent, badass on occassion, a steady head, etc...
The only complaints I have ever seen about him are the forced buddy moments in ME3. And that he doesnt seem to stick up for his own opinion, most noticably if the quarians are killed.
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As much as people (including myself) like Donbrow, I think he went a bit too far with the buddy thing with Garrus. I think Walters could have written a more challenging version of Garrus (he could be at times in ME2 at least). Donbrow started out as a fan who bought and loved the first game, like all of us - and I think brings some of that perspective into his writing.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 08:39
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Dumbow at least avoided butchering the character...StreetMagic wrote...
As much as people (including myself) like Donbrow, I think he went a bit too far with the buddy thing with Garrus. I think Walters could have written a more challenging version of Garrus (he could be at times in ME2 at least). Donbrow started out as a fan who bought and loved the first game, like all of us - and I think brings some of that perspective into his writing.
Too bad he's at Irrational Games
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I just want to make a serious contribution to the thread, addressing Garrus' critics.
Perhaps the biggest thing Garrus will get panned for is his 'yes man' status. Garrus is a companion that will stick with Shepard no matter what choice he makes, be it good or bad. It makes Garrus seem shallow, a character for the masses.
Well... I agree.
Garrus *is* a yes man. But for entirely different reasons than the ones stated above. It seems to me that Garrus is perhaps the most misunderstood companion in the Mass Effect trilogy, for various reasons. There are always extremes with him: either he's a really good guy, or a stone cold killer with no remorse for the victim. However, no one seems to be able to accept that a middle-ground exists.
Going off in a tangent here, one of the most friendliest person is an ex-high ranking officer in the British Army. This man is so brilliantly cool that he's even passed the SAS course and was only let down due to a knee injury. He's been on tours before, and yes, he has lead men to battle and has killed men too. Talk to him about his past in the army and you will get some strange answers unless you know him well.
So what does this has to do with Garrus? Well, there are similarities. They're both really friendly and cool; but they have a much darker side to them. A side, Garrus is a lot more open about, but that's because he's a Turian and a brother-in-arms with the PC.
See, the thing is, that Garrus is a yes man because he understands what it is to make tough calls; he understands what it is to break the rules; he understands that sometimes necessity goes over morality. Whether Paragon or Renegade, you are going to be making some choices that effect the entire galaxy, and Garrus knows what it is to go both sides. He's been there before, he is perhaps the most cold-blooded companion you have on this mission. I think he prefers renegade Shepard over the Paragon for pete's sake!
So why the 'yes sir' and 'good call' and 'it had to be done'? Why the constant agreements and very few backlashes? Because Garrus will always understand, respect, and sympathise for those in command. He cannot bring himself against Shepard when everything hangs from a thread and the last thing his commanding officer (and friend) needs is more pressure put on him.
Furthermore, Shepard has never done anything in-game to destroy his sense of honour. We have never had to put Palaven in our 'save or don't' list. And even then, I still think Garrus would back us up because ultimately, all we do is for the greater good. And, when he does lash out at us, he is quick to find reason to his judgement. If he doesn't agree with it, it's not his call to make, and so he backs down. Why? Because he's a Turian, and ex-milittary at that. He might not agree with the red-tape of bureaucracy, but he understands orders all too well.
Personally, I find his passiveness liberating. It's so good to have a friend who will back you up no matter what. It breathes confidence in Shepard's decisions, it helps with all the self-doubt and guilt he might have.
So sure, Garrus is a 'yes man.' But for all the right reasons.
Perhaps the biggest thing Garrus will get panned for is his 'yes man' status. Garrus is a companion that will stick with Shepard no matter what choice he makes, be it good or bad. It makes Garrus seem shallow, a character for the masses.
Well... I agree.
Garrus *is* a yes man. But for entirely different reasons than the ones stated above. It seems to me that Garrus is perhaps the most misunderstood companion in the Mass Effect trilogy, for various reasons. There are always extremes with him: either he's a really good guy, or a stone cold killer with no remorse for the victim. However, no one seems to be able to accept that a middle-ground exists.
Going off in a tangent here, one of the most friendliest person is an ex-high ranking officer in the British Army. This man is so brilliantly cool that he's even passed the SAS course and was only let down due to a knee injury. He's been on tours before, and yes, he has lead men to battle and has killed men too. Talk to him about his past in the army and you will get some strange answers unless you know him well.
So what does this has to do with Garrus? Well, there are similarities. They're both really friendly and cool; but they have a much darker side to them. A side, Garrus is a lot more open about, but that's because he's a Turian and a brother-in-arms with the PC.
See, the thing is, that Garrus is a yes man because he understands what it is to make tough calls; he understands what it is to break the rules; he understands that sometimes necessity goes over morality. Whether Paragon or Renegade, you are going to be making some choices that effect the entire galaxy, and Garrus knows what it is to go both sides. He's been there before, he is perhaps the most cold-blooded companion you have on this mission. I think he prefers renegade Shepard over the Paragon for pete's sake!
So why the 'yes sir' and 'good call' and 'it had to be done'? Why the constant agreements and very few backlashes? Because Garrus will always understand, respect, and sympathise for those in command. He cannot bring himself against Shepard when everything hangs from a thread and the last thing his commanding officer (and friend) needs is more pressure put on him.
Furthermore, Shepard has never done anything in-game to destroy his sense of honour. We have never had to put Palaven in our 'save or don't' list. And even then, I still think Garrus would back us up because ultimately, all we do is for the greater good. And, when he does lash out at us, he is quick to find reason to his judgement. If he doesn't agree with it, it's not his call to make, and so he backs down. Why? Because he's a Turian, and ex-milittary at that. He might not agree with the red-tape of bureaucracy, but he understands orders all too well.
Personally, I find his passiveness liberating. It's so good to have a friend who will back you up no matter what. It breathes confidence in Shepard's decisions, it helps with all the self-doubt and guilt he might have.
So sure, Garrus is a 'yes man.' But for all the right reasons.
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Every Bioware game has a Yes man. That's to be expected. But they all have a threshold. Carth did. Alistair. Varric...
Varric is the most similar to Garrus, but the rivalry version sticks around for the lulz and for material for his stories. Not because he still likes Hawke.
Varric is the most similar to Garrus, but the rivalry version sticks around for the lulz and for material for his stories. Not because he still likes Hawke.
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Posté 24 septembre 2013 - 01:39
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Steelcan wrote...
Dumbow at least avoided butchering the character...StreetMagic wrote...
As much as people (including myself) like Donbrow, I think he went a bit too far with the buddy thing with Garrus. I think Walters could have written a more challenging version of Garrus (he could be at times in ME2 at least). Donbrow started out as a fan who bought and loved the first game, like all of us - and I think brings some of that perspective into his writing.
Too bad he's at Irrational Games
Wait...he is no longer with Bioware?
That sucks. I was praying he'd be involved in ME4 in some way.
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Posté 24 septembre 2013 - 01:48
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Han Shot First wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Dumbow at least avoided butchering the character...StreetMagic wrote...
As much as people (including myself) like Donbrow, I think he went a bit too far with the buddy thing with Garrus. I think Walters could have written a more challenging version of Garrus (he could be at times in ME2 at least). Donbrow started out as a fan who bought and loved the first game, like all of us - and I think brings some of that perspective into his writing.
Too bad he's at Irrational Games
Wait...he is no longer with Bioware?
That sucks. I was praying he'd be involved in ME4 in some way.
It was unceremoniously revealed on his LinkedIn page.
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Posté 24 septembre 2013 - 01:49
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I just wish Garrus wore a poncho.
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I just wish Garrus wore a poncho.
He might actually step up a notch if that happened.
On a sidenote, one minor (minor! don't jump on my ass) detail I dislike about the forced closeness with Garrus (as well as Liara) is that they come from established races. And I can't roleplay a resentful victim/jerk. Tali and Wrex stand out in the first crew by being in a similar position as humanity (shafted from the Council and whatnot). I woud have bonded even more with a Volus companion (or even a Batarian) over a Turian.
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Donbrow started out as a fan who bought and loved the first game, like all of us
Imagine that. Working for a company you were previously a huge fan of. That must have been a dream come true.
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Posté 24 septembre 2013 - 11:33
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The comments about Garrus being a "yes man" are a bit unfair.
Is there any squadmate in ME who doesn't immediately agree with Shepard's decisions (Zaeed during his loyalty mission is the only example I can think of)? Is everyone a "yes man," or is Shepard just in charge?
Is there any squadmate in ME who doesn't immediately agree with Shepard's decisions (Zaeed during his loyalty mission is the only example I can think of)? Is everyone a "yes man," or is Shepard just in charge?
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The comments about Garrus being a "yes man" are a bit unfair.
Is there any squadmate in ME who doesn't immediately agree with Shepard's decisions (Zaeed during his loyalty mission is the only example I can think of)? Is everyone a "yes man," or is Shepard just in charge?
What do you mean by "immediately"? Which stage are you referring to exactly? Wrex, Grunt, and Jack are not immediately agreeable if I understand what you're trying to say. They're written different than Zaeed, of course, but all generally need more coaxing. Same with Virmire survivor, but that's a multi-game storyarc.
I think Garrus has his moments of drama in the ME2 loyalty quest.. which is why I said he was better off being written by Mac back then. It seems like ME3 Garrus is just a way to get some laughs and reminisce. Like they don't want to bog you down with drama or him disagreeing about anything.
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Posté 24 septembre 2013 - 09:27
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He was likeable because he seemed to understand Shepard on the level she/he was on in every game.
He didn't question getting the job done in ME1 after a life of cutting through red tape in C-Sec.
He didn't get down on Shepard for joining Cerberus in ME2 because he understood grey areas during his days as Archangel.
He didn't object to Shepard's decisions in ME3 because he knew what was at stake. Even if you shot Mordin down, Garrus still knew the environment of the war was to blame.
When other companions and even love interests turned their backs on Shepard or forced her/him into a compromise she/he didn't want to make, Garrus was always there by her/his side, just wanting to know what he needed to shoot.
Doesn't get much more loyal than that.
He didn't question getting the job done in ME1 after a life of cutting through red tape in C-Sec.
He didn't get down on Shepard for joining Cerberus in ME2 because he understood grey areas during his days as Archangel.
He didn't object to Shepard's decisions in ME3 because he knew what was at stake. Even if you shot Mordin down, Garrus still knew the environment of the war was to blame.
When other companions and even love interests turned their backs on Shepard or forced her/him into a compromise she/he didn't want to make, Garrus was always there by her/his side, just wanting to know what he needed to shoot.
Doesn't get much more loyal than that.
