mickey111 wrote...
Examples of specific answers would include: rudeness, lack of communication, too much communication, exploitation of the rules (cheating in other words), poor hand to eye coordination, lag, or simply the fact that it involves dealing with other humans.
IanPolaris wrote...
Fast Jimmy wrote...
Yet even with that being said, many people would argue that ME3's SP was not influenced or compromised by MP. And there is no way for anyone to prove that it did.
proposition.
Actually this is provably false. We were promised that all the available endings would be available whether one did SP or MP, but this was a LIE. You could not get the "Shepard Lives" ending when ME3 was released prior to the EC, and Bioware spend the next three months lying abouit it. They only admitted this the day that the EC was released (Priestly did IIRC) here on BSN and admitted it was done to 'encourage people to play MP'. Before the EC, you needed 4000 assets (and that's if you did everything right) to get "Master and Commander" which was impossible with single player...and Bioware/EA lied about it.
-Polaris
Who am I and who are people like me? Please keep your offensive accusations out of this discussion; you're making me understand why some people would rather avoid others on the internet with your hatred.Wompoo wrote...
Seriously, you and those like you are why many people detest multi-player.
Yes, that is the reason that I already stated.There is a very real possibility that it could syphon off money that could of been spent on the single player experience (unless it supports itself via paid dlcs)
So then they simply wouldn't partake in it. I'm not seeing the problem.2. they just plain don't enjoy the experience...
Evidenced by your unnecessary hostility over a simple disagreeing of opinions.one need only visit BNet to understand their dislike.
Blazomancer wrote...
@Jimmy - Yes, I agree that it is very difficult to say if the SP campaign is sabotaged by MP, and probably would be widely debated if things turn out that way in future; that's why I'll probably rely solely on my opinion to decide that for myself, when DA3 comes out.
Withholding my views on ME3, it seems to me that the backlash for ME3 was mostly because of the ending rather than the MP component itself. I don't really have any knowhow about game development and such to say for certain that bioware can't come up with both an awesome SP and an MP component good enough to satisfy the MP proponents. I can also see your concerns regarding the integration of the combat/interface into a multiplayer format, especially so for the console versions. As for myself, I'd want the devs to play it safe, at least for this once, but I can't really deny them if they want to go for it if a significant portion of the crowd want such a feature.
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Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 09 février 2013 - 07:40 .
Fast Jimmy wrote...
Darth Brotarian wrote...
I imagine the number one reason most people will list is either
A. No interest
B. No internet
Bingo. Those two are mine in a nutshell.
To be clear, I (obviously) have internet, but not the desire to buy the wireless adapter for my 360 and the corresponding XBL subscription.
And, in regards to lack of interest, this isn't a game of BlOps where I can frantically run around and snipe enemies or lob grenades at enemies. IN DA, if you shoot an arrow, you press A. If you want to attack with a melee weapon, you also hit a. If you want to shoot with your staff, you (guess what?!) hit A again. If you want to use a skill, you press X, B or Y. There is no aiming reticule, no headshots or shooting at the floor if you are terrible.The challenge for DA's combat comes in perfecting your character's build and how your party's skills complement each other and where the usage of the right skills are important.
All of that would be pretty horrendous in a MP for DA. You'd either have to control one character instead of a party (like ME3 MP did) and you'd be stuck doing Auto Attacks, kiting and waiting for cooldowns. That's about it. Basically, the worst, most banal part of DA's combat. Aiming things like skills and spells would become really difficult if things did not pause while you were using them. For instance, a healing spell would be hard to aim at an ally if they weren't directly in your line of sight.
Also, parties would be hard to do in MP, because if everyone controlled a four person party, it would be crazy to keep track of all the moving characters on the screen. Or if not, you need to find a group of people with perfectly made builds, which discourages creative building for lack of being picked up in matches.
Not to mention I just don't like Multiplayer. Profanity, juvenile comments, people being terrible and it affecting me negatively, someone deciding to just leave the game to go make themselves a sandwich, server errors, host errors, glitching errors... I've dealt with all of that in my life too much for it to even sound HALFWAY appealing anymore.
So no MP. Not in DA, not for me. Not even a little bit.
Foopydoopydoo wrote...
Ugh, I really don't get it either. It's really, really simple folks. If you don't WANT to play multiplayer then... DON'T. PLAY. IT. I have never, in my ENTIRE life played multiplayer. Ever. Except in Eve. The point is it's entirely optional (if someone mentions ME I will stab you with a hypothetical highlighter, that was only necessary for like a month before it was patched and you'd have to be preeeettttttyyyyyy skeptical about Bioware's collective IQ if you think they'd repeat that) at no point in time are you forced to play it. It just sits there under single player. It doesn't glow, or beckon or threaten to eat your babies if you don't want to play it. Like for srs folks.
Build a frickin bridge.
Oh! And just fyi "I don't like it so I don't want anyone else to have it" is NOT valid criticism. >.>
Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
Why dislike multiplayer?
1. I play single player game for my own story and character solitary. That's why I choose single player game titles and not MMO. If I want to play with other people, I'll choose browser free to play games or pen n paper RPG.
2. I have no interest to spend thousands of dollars for a single game featuring repetitive story and gameplay. I'd rather spend thousand of dollars in 3D application which I can used to create virtually unlimited characters, animation story and no one can dictate what I can and what I can't do.
3. There is so such thing as balance classes in MMO. As long as my favored sword and shield class continues to be treated as nothing more than a punch bag for range classes, I will not participate in any MMO's competitive features.
4. Spoiled brats players, cheaters, stupid economic inflation, dumb item malls etc..
JJDrakken wrote...
Reasons I do not want Multi in DA3.
1. Origin Requirements(You know they'll do it, probably do it with single).
2. I have zero desire to play Dragon Age Multiplayer, when it's part of a series they are doing. I am here for the story & continued continuation of those stories on my terms, not to deal with Multiplayer added requirements. Now if they specifically made a Dragon Age Tourney game. Then sure, I "might" check it out, depends on reason number 1.
3. See reason number 1.
4. If/When I feel like Multi Games(I do quite a bit), I have my games for that with my friends, examples being O.M.D.2, Borderlands 2, LoTR: War In The North, Buckets of Blood: Multi-Massacre are examples of the many games I have for Multi.
Those are biggest reasons why I have zero desire for Multi addon to D.A.3.
JJ
Item malls for Free to Play model and subscription based for Pay to Play model. They cost more than any single player games, otherwise your gameplay will be greatly handicapped. And yes, it could cost you thousand of dollars just to be the top players or at least protect yourself from internet bullies, who will drill 24/7 to be stronger than you.imbs wrote...
2. what? what does spending thousands of dollars on a game have to do with MP?
Such as? Name some of top PKers that are sword and shield class.imbs wrote...
3. There have been plenty of MMOs where using a sword and shield is not only viable but even can be overpowered.
imbs wrote...
4. "Spoiled"? You do realise you are arguing against a feature because you, personally wouldn't use it, right?
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BasilKarlo wrote...
Multiplayer takes resources away from singleplayer. I know Bioware employees like to say otherwise, but that just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Developers at ME3's SP studio were splitting their time between SP and MP and the money that went into ME3's MP could have gone into SP DLC. And maybe if more people and resources had been devoted to SP we wouldn't have gotten the moronic, rushed ending that we got.
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