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PC Gamer: 'What we want to see from Dragon Age 3'
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#2
Posté 09 février 2013 - 06:41
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I find it odd PC gamer has so many "requests" for the next game. I could have sworn they loved DA2.
Reused areas...big deal. I won't go out of my way asking that areas be re-used but it didn't bother me. It would have been a 10hr game methinks if they didn't do what they had to do in the short time frame given.
Reused areas...big deal. I won't go out of my way asking that areas be re-used but it didn't bother me. It would have been a 10hr game methinks if they didn't do what they had to do in the short time frame given.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 06:43
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Yeah, didn't PC Gamer call Dragon Age 2 the "RPG of the Decade"? If it was so perfect what is there to fix? Hmm...
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 06:50
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What do YOU think, OP? Don't just provide a link.
I agree with the first point. hard not to. Though I didn't find re-used environments all that troublesome.
Vehemently disagree with second point. If a man being poisoned by a blood mage falling into a coma, his son becoming an abomination, and his mother being used in a blood sacrifice to split the son and the demon, or say a necromancer sewing together different corpses and re-animating them, isn't considered dark, then I truly truly hope Bioware never gets "dark." Completely off base here.
Agree about the counter. I feel it inhibits role-playing.
Fresh and Motivating story, easy to say, harder to do. i agree in principle.
Story/Game integration, sure. Definitely. Though there will always be a bit of a disconnection.
Open world? Eh, maybe. Not really DA's style.
And forget him, I like the Deep Roads just fine.
Leaving Ferelden, sure.
Character customization is very flighty, jumping over the place. i think he means to say, "Races!" Well, too bad, too late for that. Though I agree with him.
VO, i agree.
Party Customization: which is he arguing for? I can't tell.
Jobs: I think NOT, these are grown-up adults with their own lives and jobs and such. Why exactly would they drop everything to travel to random places on your whim? This sounds like Assassin's Creed, a part I don't feel belongs in DA.
Pants--what?
Action/RPG choices. Looks like he's asking for DA ][ and DA:O combat, while at the same time asking for no dialog. Stupid, just stupid.
OGB--this is optional.
Starmap--I don't even know what he's saying.
Fluid politics: I agree, but his example is silly, and it is, amusingly, the reasoning behind paragon/renegade (a person who is nice to people can't suddenly intimidate them). Also, Alpha Protocol did nothing of the sort.
MP: yes.
PC: better GUIs I can understand, but I am not a graphics wh*re so i'm not worried about that.
DLC: Agree wholeheartedly, and am encouraged because this is what Bioware has done fopr their last five games.
Character Vault--what in the world does this mean? They are saved on your PC, not "in the game."
Mediocre.
I agree with the first point. hard not to. Though I didn't find re-used environments all that troublesome.
Vehemently disagree with second point. If a man being poisoned by a blood mage falling into a coma, his son becoming an abomination, and his mother being used in a blood sacrifice to split the son and the demon, or say a necromancer sewing together different corpses and re-animating them, isn't considered dark, then I truly truly hope Bioware never gets "dark." Completely off base here.
Agree about the counter. I feel it inhibits role-playing.
Fresh and Motivating story, easy to say, harder to do. i agree in principle.
Story/Game integration, sure. Definitely. Though there will always be a bit of a disconnection.
Open world? Eh, maybe. Not really DA's style.
And forget him, I like the Deep Roads just fine.
Leaving Ferelden, sure.
Character customization is very flighty, jumping over the place. i think he means to say, "Races!" Well, too bad, too late for that. Though I agree with him.
VO, i agree.
Party Customization: which is he arguing for? I can't tell.
Jobs: I think NOT, these are grown-up adults with their own lives and jobs and such. Why exactly would they drop everything to travel to random places on your whim? This sounds like Assassin's Creed, a part I don't feel belongs in DA.
Pants--what?
Action/RPG choices. Looks like he's asking for DA ][ and DA:O combat, while at the same time asking for no dialog. Stupid, just stupid.
OGB--this is optional.
Starmap--I don't even know what he's saying.
Fluid politics: I agree, but his example is silly, and it is, amusingly, the reasoning behind paragon/renegade (a person who is nice to people can't suddenly intimidate them). Also, Alpha Protocol did nothing of the sort.
MP: yes.
PC: better GUIs I can understand, but I am not a graphics wh*re so i'm not worried about that.
DLC: Agree wholeheartedly, and am encouraged because this is what Bioware has done fopr their last five games.
Character Vault--what in the world does this mean? They are saved on your PC, not "in the game."
Mediocre.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 06:53
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Yeah, I don't know.
First, I'd have liked the author to define "we".
Reading the article, I find many points I don't agree with: maturity =! no underpants while sexing in my book (seriously), I liked the Deep Roads and I'm very much pro-voiced. Others left me a bit puzzled, especially the too dark/light complaint about DAO (illustrated by nothing but a screenshot of Connor, whose quest is very much all grey, at that).
It's also not quite clear whether the criticism addresses DAO, DA2, both, their uncle or their putative child. It seems to mash the two in one big blob of "things I didn't like", complete with a (justified) complaint about too much blood in DA2, illustrated with a screenie... of DAO.
There are some good points though, but all this, whether I agree or not, boils down to personal preference so I suppose that what annoys me is above all the "we" in the title.
(and also, I'm left wondering whether there was anything he liked)
First, I'd have liked the author to define "we".
Reading the article, I find many points I don't agree with: maturity =! no underpants while sexing in my book (seriously), I liked the Deep Roads and I'm very much pro-voiced. Others left me a bit puzzled, especially the too dark/light complaint about DAO (illustrated by nothing but a screenshot of Connor, whose quest is very much all grey, at that).
It's also not quite clear whether the criticism addresses DAO, DA2, both, their uncle or their putative child. It seems to mash the two in one big blob of "things I didn't like", complete with a (justified) complaint about too much blood in DA2, illustrated with a screenie... of DAO.
There are some good points though, but all this, whether I agree or not, boils down to personal preference so I suppose that what annoys me is above all the "we" in the title.
(and also, I'm left wondering whether there was anything he liked)
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 06:55
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I remember the good old days when PC gamer magazine used to be good. They'd release a monthly issue (this is like over 10 years ago I think) of over 100 pages each, and they were about as level headed and objective with their reviews as any. Now it's tiny little magazines every month filled with opinion pieces to the point where it compromises the actual quality and quantity of content with the aim been to play on everyones emotions.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 06:57
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wasnt a bad list if you ask me. Altho i disagree on his implication that Witcher 2 was gods gift to western RPGs, and I also disagreed with the "DA2 had good combat if you ignore the wave system" part.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:02
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"In the wake of The Witcher 2, that’s just not good enough. It’s not a question of making Dragon Age a dark universe so much as actually living up to the darkness already written into it, instead of just claiming to be for adults and then cutting away to people having sex in their underpants or mistaking big gory combat hits for impactful violence. Geralt’s controversy-shrugging adventures make it look like a cartoon in comparison, and without coming across as gratuitous. Well, mostly anyway." Some valid points.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:05
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tbf every reviewer who gave DA2 a high rating when it was first released all started talking about its faults a year later, same thing is happening with Mass Effect 3.
EA want to ship as many copies as possible, DA will never deal with the content or have the same age rating as a Witcher game.
ruairi46 wrote...
"In the wake of The Witcher 2, that’s just not good enough. It’s not a question of making Dragon Age a dark universe so much as actually living up to the darkness already written into it, instead of just claiming to be for adults and then cutting away to people having sex in their underpants or mistaking big gory combat hits for impactful violence. Geralt’s controversy-shrugging adventures make it look like a cartoon in comparison, and without coming across as gratuitous. Well, mostly anyway." Some valid points.
EA want to ship as many copies as possible, DA will never deal with the content or have the same age rating as a Witcher game.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:06
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Yep, a mage cutting up your mom, sewing her back together, and bringing her back to life to be his bride sure was cartoony.
It sounds more like they're asking for TW2's gratuitous boob shots than anything.
It sounds more like they're asking for TW2's gratuitous boob shots than anything.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:07
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So here is a list of the comments I disagreed with or just rolled my eyes over.
Fix The Dragon Age 2 Problems, Obviously. ... (e.g.) the spider jump-scares [What?]
A Song Of Guts And Maturity. ... In the wake of The Witcher 2, that’s just not good enough.
No Light/Dark Side Counter. Childish. Boring. Any system where you can commit atrocities and make up for it by handing over a few presents... [I like the influence system, which is not just a "light/darkside" mechanic, and I always thought this 'crime' of gifting has been a bit exaggerated.]
The idea of setting an RPG in a city or other small, densely packed area isn’t inherently a bad one. It doesn’t however fit Dragon Age, with its more old-school, epic sweep.
No More Deep Roads.
Hawke added nothing to the game except for a bad British accent, some forgettable family members, and even less reason to care about what was going on in Kirkwall if you weren’t (sssh!) a mage.
No Main Character Voice.
NPCs Responding To You Showing Up In Your Pants. [Really? This was an issue worth filling article space?]
Built For PC. ... The Witcher 2 raised the bar.
Instead of trying to give the main character more adventure for instance, fleshing out the stories of the party members. [I think the last thing they need to work on is focusing less on the main story, even if I appreciate the level of the companion plots in DA2.]
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:13
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Tbh imo it was cartoony and will never actually seem as dark as it could of, however saying that I still liked the game just a point to put out there.Daralii wrote...
Yep, a mage cutting up your mom, sewing her back together, and bringing her back to life to be his bride sure was cartoony.
It sounds more like they're asking for TW2's gratuitous boob shots than anything.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:13
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More deep roads please, and Maker's breath keep the pants on.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:15
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DinoSteve wrote...
EA want to ship as many copies as possible, DA will never deal with the content or have the same age rating as a Witcher game.
Orly? Please, tell me what content that The Witcher dealt with that DA did not.
And hey, guess what? TW and DA have the same age rating. That's right--the same.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:17
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Bah, they better have party customization.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:22
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Triss's lovingly textured knockers.EntropicAngel wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
EA want to ship as many copies as possible, DA will never deal with the content or have the same age rating as a Witcher game.
Orly? Please, tell me what content that The Witcher dealt with that DA did not.
And hey, guess what? TW and DA have the same age rating. That's right--the same.
I respect CDP for sticking to their guns in regards to nudity given what happened with ME1, and while underwear sex is goofy, I'd rather have no nudity than meaningless eye candy.
Modifié par Daralii, 09 février 2013 - 07:27 .
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:23
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The maturity of The Witcher 2 doesn't dwell in Geralt's pants. Don't belittle a great political plot by reducing it too boobs, vajayjays, manly manliness of supreme masculinity and flying royal heads. Reading this kind of things, I wonder why CDPR bothers.DinoSteve wrote...
EA want to ship as many copies as possible, DA will never deal with the content or have the same age rating as a Witcher game.ruairi46 wrote...
"In the wake of The Witcher 2, that’s just not good enough. It’s not a question of making Dragon Age a dark universe so much as actually living up to the darkness already written into it, instead of just claiming to be for adults and then cutting away to people having sex in their underpants or mistaking big gory combat hits for impactful violence. Geralt’s controversy-shrugging adventures make it look like a cartoon in comparison, and without coming across as gratuitous. Well, mostly anyway." Some valid points.
Bioware is perfectly able to do mature things. Unless you consider that dealing with a murderous schyzophrenic pedophile or having the choice between killing a mother or her child is for kiddies.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:25
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I can't wait for the Oscar award to publish their list of movies they would like to see in future, what content they should have and how they should be made.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:29
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Good Points.
I'm surprised.
I'm surprised.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:36
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Sutekh wrote...
The maturity of The Witcher 2 doesn't dwell in Geralt's pants. Don't belittle a great political plot by reducing it too boobs, vajayjays, manly manliness of supreme masculinity and flying royal heads. Reading this kind of things, I wonder why CDPR bothers.DinoSteve wrote...
EA want to ship as many copies as possible, DA will never deal with the content or have the same age rating as a Witcher game.ruairi46 wrote...
"In the wake of The Witcher 2, that’s just not good enough. It’s not a question of making Dragon Age a dark universe so much as actually living up to the darkness already written into it, instead of just claiming to be for adults and then cutting away to people having sex in their underpants or mistaking big gory combat hits for impactful violence. Geralt’s controversy-shrugging adventures make it look like a cartoon in comparison, and without coming across as gratuitous. Well, mostly anyway." Some valid points.
Bioware is perfectly able to do mature things. Unless you consider that dealing with a murderous schyzophrenic pedophile or having the choice between killing a mother or her child is for kiddies.
I never meant that content involving Geralt's Promiscuousness, I meant the language used and the details of plots within the game, and I was wrong about the age limit.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:37
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Mixed bag. Disagree with some, agree with some other points.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:37
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I guess It would be reasonable for someone from PC gamer to be a PC elitist but I also thought the article was negative and dumb but I couldn't tell you why. Just the basic outlook.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:38
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Daralii wrote...
Triss's lovingly textured knockers.
Oh, didn't know breasts are called 'knockers'. Thanks, vocabulary improved.
Well, Bioware I don't want lovingly textured 'knockers' in DA3, you hear me. DA is mature enough for little old me.
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Posté 09 février 2013 - 07:58
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Daralii wrote...
Yep, a mage cutting up your mom, sewing her back together, and bringing her back to life to be his bride sure was cartoony.
It sounds more like they're asking for TW2's gratuitous boob shots than anything.
That scene with your mother *was* cartoony. That whole quest was pretty pathetic.
