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[Dorrieb]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Now THIS is a well written article.

No, THAT is a compiled summary of information provided by BioWare themselves, as indicated in the title and the header paragraph, and the closest that Ed allows himself to approach anything resembling an opinion is when he calls a statement by Mike Laidlaw 'confusing'.

Renmiri1 wrote..You can make suggestions and even criticism without coming accross like a forum troll, ya know ?

Pray tell, what criticism, let alone suggestions?

Here is one criticism for you: You do not know what 'well-written' means. It is nothing to do with content. And one suggestion: Ed would not thank you for calling Robert a 'forum troll'. Ed needs op copy, same as any other editor.

[Renmiri1]

Dorrieb wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Now THIS is a well written article.

No, THAT is a compiled summary of information provided by BioWare themselves, as indicated in the title and the header paragraph, and the closest that Ed allows himself to approach anything resembling an opinion is when he calls a statement by Mike Laidlaw 'confusing'.

As opposed to a compilation of forum posts ?

At least is well researched and the source is atributed 

Dorrieb wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote..You can make suggestions and even criticism without coming accross like a forum troll, ya know ?

Pray tell, what criticism, let alone suggestions?

Here is one criticism for you: You do not know what 'well-written' means. It is nothing to do with content. And one suggestion: Ed would not thank you for calling Robert a 'forum troll'. Ed needs op copy, same as any other editor.

Dunno, they are both not my friends or family so I just judge them in the merits of their articles. One wrote a well researched informative article, the other writes .. well let's just say it isn't even researched 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 26 février 2013 - 09:14 .

[Dorrieb]

Renmiri1 wrote...
At least is well researched and the source is atributed 

Dunno, they are both not my friends or family so I just judge them in the merits of their articles. One wrote a well researched informative article, the other writes .. well let's just say it isn't even researched 

One is an op-ed, the other is reportage. But... that has been pointed out before, hasn't it? Again, and again, and again, and yet here we are. I believe you do know the difference, but have decided to pretend not to because people here were beginning to look at it in a reasonable light, and that won't do for you at all. Nothing less than ignorant smugness and contempt will please you, because that is how you feel, isn't it? In that case, well done, you've succeeded.

[Renmiri1]

Oi sorry for rattling your cage. What is your relationship with the OP article author anyway ? You take it way past just agreeing with an article, into personal vendetta territory. Why ?

[Dorrieb]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Oi sorry for rattling your cage. What is your relationship with the OP article author anyway ? You take it way past just agreeing with an article, into personal vendetta territory. Why ?

The writing profession is important to me.

[Starshaker]

Alright, so I liked the article, didn't agree with some of it, but mostly good points. I agree that this should be an adult game, but not adult video store type game. You can make the game adult by putting difficult dark quests in the game. Like actually having to choose between a companion living or dying and whichever one dies you see later resurrected by a necromancer and your are forced to kill your own companion after you had already seen them die.
Romance line? Instead of taking more clothes off make it more of a dating thing. You actually have to be nice to her and give her flowers and take her out and while out(side quest she is attacked taken away.). Make her views very pointed and have her disagree with you a lot(This is something I loved about Morrigan.). Make the characters actually get mad at you and you can't fix it with a simple gift! You have to do it through choices you make so they see you have changed when your game is on the line.
One of my favorite Characters in the Bioware universe is Joker. It isn't because of his wit or his awesome girlfriend. It is because he relies on other people and he needs people's help. You just want to help him. Make something like that. Make these characters have personality not just sex toys not just robot followers but people with opinions and feelings that matter to them so much if you don't pay attention you are really going to be sorry.

[Starshaker]

I also think that certain romance should be class specific. If I am a rogue I would like to know that there are different options than if I am a Warrior. WOMEN ARE ATTRACTED TO DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEN!!!! Put this in the game. Aveline for example seems to be drawn to the weaker type of man(Rogue, Mage, Archer) so she can protect him and earn his love that way.(This also helps in gameplay. If I am an Archer I need someone to take the brunt of the forces while I pick them off. I am not saying One romancable Character for each class. I am saying, maybe make one off-limits per class. So No Avaline if you are a warrior, No Isabela if you are a Rogue, No Merrill if you are a mage. That way you still have choices, but playing the other classes changes your romance story completely.

[Starshaker]

I am sorry I have been holding in a lot of these Ideas... :-) Next would be party gatherings. Camp DA:O, Hawks House DA2:
In my opinion neither of these really nailed it. First of all I liked how in DA2 they aren't all RIGHT there. However, I hated running to where they were(FAST TRAVEL!) I think an easy fix to this would be give the player a very rundown keep. and make him fix it up with in game gold. Much like NWN 2 However, the catch is you get to place certain party members in charge of different parts of the keep. Exp:Isabela in charge of Trade, Sten in charge of Smithing, Anders in charge of Stables etc. And the more money you put into their certain area the more they like you and the better that thing performs (Faster horses, better swords, Cheaper Prices.) Make that be the way where you have to choose. Now, obviously if you put tons of time into the game make it to where you can max almost everything out. I really liked that they added this concept in DA:O Awakening but they didn't spend enough time on it and they didn't reward you with a visual change. Whenever you drop a ton of coin in something have it be tiered so that you can see the difference. Visually and game-play wise.
If you have this keep the possibilities are endless, from hiding slaves from the government to opening orphanages to help keep children from turning into pick-pockets. Then showing the impact of those children seeing them grow up and be a part of your army... Then seeing some of them fall in love and some of them die on the battlefield. There are so many possibilities with this! PLEASE BIOWARE LISTEN!!! :-)

[Renmiri1]

Dorrieb wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Oi sorry for rattling your cage. What is your relationship with the OP article author anyway ? You take it way past just agreeing with an article, into personal vendetta territory. Why ?

The writing profession is important to me.

Well I'm an engineer and in my profession we crucify the bad apples that give the profession a bad name. But then again an engineer that doesn't do his homework kills thousands, a writer that doesn't research an article just gets laughed off.

Still I think a huge part of US going to war in Iraq and the debt problems we have today can be partly blamed on the shoddy work of the journalists of the time. So I'm not so sure we should excuse bad journos. They can also contribute to the deaths of many. And that is my reason to being disgusted with badly disguised opinion pieces shoddily researched. Not so harmful in gaming, deadly in RL News.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 février 2013 - 04:20 .

[imbs]

yeah I don't know how you got from a random gamer article to being responsible for thousands of deaths, but consider me impressed.

[Renmiri1]

imbs wrote...

yeah I don't know how you got from a random gamer article to being responsible for thousands of deaths, but consider me impressed.

Reading comprehension.. Google it:devil:

[imbs]

Renmiri1 wrote...

imbs wrote...

yeah I don't know how you got from a random gamer article to being responsible for thousands of deaths, but consider me impressed.

Reading comprehension.. Google it:devil:

Reported



Lmao it's like I am 7 years old again isn't this exciting, friend?

[addiction21]

Renmiri1 wrote...


Still I think a huge part of US going to war in Iraq

If by huge you mean the cost of making war sure. Less then. Last I saw less then 1% of the U.S. population is active service military.

[Renmiri1]

addiction21 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...


Still I think a huge part of US going to war in Iraq

If by huge you mean the cost of making war sure. Less then. Last I saw less then 1% of the U.S. population is active service military.

Cost of this misguided war is not only to Americans as some estimate half a million Iraquis have already died or were wounded. Technically we went there because of WMD which was a flimsy excuse at the time and had the entire US press not been cheering the government without questioning maybe that could have been avoided

But that is way off topic. I just mentioned it because it is what makes me so unforgiving of bad journalists.  

[Dorrieb]

Renmiri1 wrote...
Cost of this misguided war is not only to Americans as some estimate half a million Iraquis have already died or were wounded. Technically we went there because of WMD which was a flimsy excuse at the time and had the entire US press not been cheering the government without questioning maybe that could have been avoided

But that is way off topic. I just mentioned it because it is what makes me so unforgiving of bad journalists.  

I don't disagree with you about the war, but that is not merely off-topic, it is dark-side-of-the-moon off-topic, and also wildly inappropriate, as you've probably had time to realise.

The thing is though, that Richard is not a 'bad journalist'. He is a widely published writer of many, many years and his knowledge of games is encyclopaedic. I doubt you could find very many people who can write authoritatively about Bibleman, Tongue of the Fatman, and Forbes Corporate Warrior, to name a few of the outliers. You could easily find that out, if you could be bothered to do some of that 'Googling' that you encourage others to do.

Modifié par Dorrieb, 27 février 2013 - 06:35 .

[andrew252]

lets back on topic and NOT talk about iraq shall we?now another thing i wanna see is a sten cameo,he was cool and i miss him

[imbs]

andrew252 wrote...

lets back on topic and NOT talk about iraq shall we?now another thing i wanna see is a sten cameo,he was cool and i miss him

Sten made loads of appearances in DA2 m8 dont you know it

[andrew252]

imbs wrote...

andrew252 wrote...

lets back on topic and NOT talk about iraq shall we?now another thing i wanna see is a sten cameo,he was cool and i miss him

Sten made loads of appearances in DA2 m8 dont you know it

really?huh the only named sten i saw was a quinari with a shield trying to kill me,hope it really wasnt him if so that would make me sad

[AmstradHero]

Dorrieb wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...
At least is well researched and the source is atributed 

Dunno, they are both not my friends or family so I just judge them in the merits of their articles. One wrote a well researched informative article, the other writes .. well let's just say it isn't even researched 

One is an op-ed, the other is reportage. But... that has been pointed out before, hasn't it? Again, and again, and again, and yet here we are. I believe you do know the difference, but have decided to pretend not to because people here were beginning to look at it in a reasonable light, and that won't do for you at all. Nothing less than ignorant smugness and contempt will please you, because that is how you feel, isn't it? In that case, well done, you've succeeded.
...
The thing is though, that Richard is not a 'bad journalist'. He is a widely published writer of many, many years
and his knowledge of games is encyclopaedic. I doubt you could find very many people who can write authoritatively about Bibleman, Tongue of the Fatman, and Forbes Corporate Warrior, to name a few of the
outliers. You could easily find that out, if you could be bothered to do some of that 'Googling' that you encourage others to do.

He might not be a bad journalist, but I don't see how him being about to write authoritatively on those topics means he is always good. That article was not well written, it was not well researched, and threw around pejoratives willy-nilly.  Opinion is fine, but if inaccurate claims are being made, then he should be called out on that, as he was.

You're refusing to accept that he was wrong AT ALL, and that is ridiculous. Yes, he wrote a bad article. He wrote things that were inaccurate, some of which he retracted/corrected. Yes, it's understandable why and how that could happen. That doesn't make it a good article. It's not. You seem to be taking any and all criticism of the article as a criticism of HIM. The two are very different.

Good authors write bad books. Good directors make bad movies. Good journalists write bad articles. It happens. Trying to say that this article is good, when it's been repeatedly and clearly indicated why it is not, is ridiculous. He's a step up from Imrahil_'s tirade against my Alley of Murders, but just like Imrahil_, he's making claims that are patently false. Accuracy matters.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 27 février 2013 - 06:47 .

[Dorrieb]

AmstradHero wrote...
he's making claims that are patently false.

Such as?

Modifié par Dorrieb, 27 février 2013 - 06:52 .

[AmstradHero]

Seriously? Re-read the article and the thread. For starters, the "childish" light side/dark side meter.

[imbs]

No Light/Dark Side Counter. Childish. Boring. Any system where you can commit atrocities and make up for it by handing over a few presents is a system in sore need of being ripped out and replaced with something more effective where deeds rather than integers are what counts.

I fail to see anything patently false here. Opinion opinion opinion and then a comment that appears to be more about DA:O than DA2. I don't see the problem and I even agree that its kind of a poor system that feels out of place in any game that isn't star wars.

Modifié par imbs, 27 février 2013 - 06:59 .

[AmstradHero]

Which is something that wasn't in DA2 at all.

[Dorrieb]

AmstradHero wrote...

Seriously? Re-read the article and the thread. For starters, the "childish" light side/dark side meter.

He suggests 'No Light/Dark Side Counter'. How is that a claim, false or otherwise?

Unless you believe, as perhaps you do, that the author is under the mistaken impression that there was such a counter in DA:O and/or DA2. But there isn't a hint of a word anywhere saying any such thing. It's only a wish that DA3 will not have such a counter either, which isn't unreasonable at all in light that every single BioWare game since NWN has featured such a counter, except for DA O and 2. And in DA it is replaced by the influence system, where for example Leliana will think less of you if you do something sadistic such as allow the Tevinter mage to sacrifice the elves for you, but you can make up for it by giving her a pair of shoes and a flower.

Edit: Actually my memory fails me. In fact BG2 already had the good/evil counter, well before NWN.

Modifié par Dorrieb, 27 février 2013 - 07:12 .

[AmstradHero]

And in DA2 there is no such shortcut. He implies that deeds do not matter, when the whole point of friendship versus rivalry is to weight up ALL THOSE DEEDS. The deeds do matter, he merely objects to the form in which they matter. It's a specious and inaccurate argument.

Like the rest of the article, it's either inaccurate or based purely on his preference while all the time declaring unequivocally "THESE THINGS ARE CATEGORICALLY BAD".

No. He doesn't like them. That doesn't make them bad. It does, however, make his article bad.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 27 février 2013 - 07:13 .