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[noobcannon]

Argentoid wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Niholaren wrote...

Well your theory make sense . It is highly possible that the Catalyst "talked" to Shepard through thoughts and what we see is the representation in shepards mind.

how else would the catalyst take on the form of someone only shepard saw?

Obvious troll is obvious.

I SAID THAT THE CATALYST HAS THE SAME ABILITIES THAT THE LEVIATHANS HAVE. THE LEVIATHANS USED SHEPARD'S MEMORIES (therefore, familiar or recently seen people, like Ann Bryson) TO COMMUNICATE. THE CATALYST DOES THE SAME.

how am i trolling? i'm pretty sure i agreed with you lol. from my very first playthrough, even before leviathan, i have been convinced the ghostly child claiming to be the catalyst is and was some kind of manifestation in shepard's mind. i only questioned Niholaren's post because they said "highly possible" as if they weren't 100% sure. so i was simply asking what would an alternative be? how else would the catalyst take on the form of someone only shepard saw?

Modifié par noobcannon, 11 février 2013 - 12:29 .

[Argentoid]

^ Ooops... sorry. 

Modifié par Argentoid, 11 février 2013 - 12:09 .

[Argentoid]

Shepard on his knees during Leviathan confrontation

Shepard on his knees during the Catalyst confrontation

Modifié par Argentoid, 11 février 2013 - 12:04 .

[noobcannon]

Argentoid wrote...

Shepard on his knees during Leviathan confrontation

Shepard on his knees during the Catalyst confrontation

good observation. never noticed that before.

[masster blaster]

Argentoid wrote...

Shepard on his knees during Leviathan confrontation

Shepard on his knees during the Catalyst confrontation

We ITers notice that to. There are things in Leviathan, that are meant for IT, however this is not about IT, so I will leave.

[DWH1982]

Jadebaby wrote...

It's funny how it's all the people that like the endings, carry on and act like children....

I think everyone, pro ending or anti ending, feels a little under seige on here these days. It can easily lead us all to over react to some things.

Perhaps that's a good sign that we all need to take a step back and cool off a bit?

[Jadebaby]

Sometimes, in this instance... No.

[Clayless]

Jadebaby wrote...

It's funny how it's all the people that like the endings, carry on and act like children....

@OP, I like the theory, needs a tl;dr version. Every theory does! ; )

If you think that's bad then you're in for a shock when you see how the anti-enders have reacted for almost a year.

[BeastSaver]

Reapers' control = indoctrination, which gradually degrades the mental capabilities of the victim (rapidly in the case of husks), and is irreversable.
Leviathans' control = enthrallment, in which the body is controlled by the Leviathan, but once control is released (or the orb destroyed), the victim returns to their right mind with no memory of events.

Interesting theory, OP. You're saying the Catalyst's control would be more like the Leviathans' (rather than the Reapers' - their type of control could have evolved after eons of experimentation) and communicates with Shepard as you described.

BTW, when you recover the Prothean VI from Chronos station, it does not identify Shepard or his/her squad as being indoctrinated.

Modifié par BeastSaver, 11 février 2013 - 03:04 .

[BleedingUranium]

>Trying to make sense of the ending

>(Not IT)

Pick one.

[kschirm]

BeastSaver wrote...
BTW, when you recover the Prothean VI from Chronos station, it does not identify Shepard or his/her squad as being indoctrinated.

I always assumed the VI was hinting at Shep being indoctrinated or partially indoctrinated. Essentially: "My protocols have been overridden, so I will tell you whatever you want regardless of your mental state."

Has this been debunked?

[kalpain]

OP, I like this possibility....

[BleedingUranium]

kschirm wrote...

BeastSaver wrote...
BTW, when you recover the Prothean VI from Chronos station, it does not identify Shepard or his/her squad as being indoctrinated.

I always assumed the VI was hinting at Shep being indoctrinated or partially indoctrinated. Essentially: "My protocols have been overridden, so I will tell you whatever you want regardless of your mental state."

Has this been debunked?

There's that, but more importantly, Shepard isn't indoctrinated at that point. Whether Shepard ends up indoctrinated or not is the whole point of the final decision.

[liggy002]

Argentoid wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

An IT thread in other words.

Not really. Cummon, give me a break. I actually don't like IT. Leviathan DLC proves some stuff I said. I never said that Shepard was being indoctrinated. That's cheap.

Plus, IT establishes that the WHOLE ending thing is just a dream: from London blue beam till the encounter with the Catalyst. 

You mean don't like the idea that the Reapers would indoctrinate Shepard..... you're entitled to your opinion but I really cannot fathom what is so bad about this theory.  It provides an ending (provided there is DLC) that is a million times better than the literal ending.

[UrgentArchengel]

I've been saying that for awhile, but nope...ignored everytime.

[TheViper8234]

Great topic

[Restrider]

To settle this:
This is NOT an IT thread.
Basically, this theory is the one with most "face-value"-parts that still makes a little bit of sense.
I would argue why the Guardian would offer Destroy and is in general genuine, but that's a whole other discussion.

To take everything in the ends at face value... I have no words for this.

[Davik Kang]

Nice thoughts OP, what the choices represent is pretty interesting to think about whether you think hallucination or not... your interpretation very similar to mine (in signature) too. Magic Elevator is certainly when things start getting too weird to be true

[dorktainian]

sometimes you just gotta laff when someone posts something interesting and is almost immediately set upon by the literalists. give the OP a break. IT makes more sense tho. Reason. Rubble.

[Restrider]

@ OP
The only thing about your theory I would gripe about is the intentions of the Guardian.
At least someone tries to think about the endings without resorting to the following pattern:

"BAD RITEYINGS!! DURR!!" - A reductionist

Modifié par Restrider, 11 février 2013 - 11:40 .

[Indy_S]

Removing the physical part of that choice doesn't make it not-gibberish. Everything in it still happens except for wondering why Shepard can breathe here.

[Biotic Sage]

This is one of the best pieces of reading I've had on here in a while. Thank you sir!

[TurianRebel212]

I like the virutal interface idea, as shep's conscience is absorbed to the decision chamber, this after he collapses at the control panel. And shep, being a transhuman and all, as this ability. therefore making it possible for an organic to communicate with The Catalyst for the first time. It's very Tronesque or matrixy, but it would make since. But....... Then why in control or synthesis does shep not live, I mean physically.

Therefore, the endings must be taken at face value:


-Shep can breath in outer space because he's The Shepard.
-Shep can survive the free fall back to earth with no armor, shields or space suit. Cause he's The Shepard.
-There are only 3 decesion chambers cause that's the narrative and it's 'art' and has 'artistic integrity'.
-And Leviathan is DLC, therefore it's not canon. And it's just an extension of the story.

-The Catalyst takes the child form cause shep has PTSD and combat fatigue.

That's why the kids in the dreams, and there's oily shadows and whispers in the dark. These are PTSD symptoms and nothing else. There's nothing in the lore of the series that says, these are nothing else than PTSD symptoms.

The reapers are a good thing, and are just doing things, like fire. They just burn. But there was never any fire in the the dreams. And if there was, again it's PTSD and means nothing. Move along.

Synthesis is the pinnacle of evolution- The catalyst say's so, therefore it's correct. Cause he's the Catalyst and he created everything. He was not created. He is GOD of everything.

Synthesis is the best choice. Cause the catalyst say's it's the 'final evolution of life'. Synthetics and organics combine to make the 'final evolution'. NO ONE else said this in the series. It's a brand new idea that ONLY the catalyst has said.

Shepard can handle control. Cause organic beings have done great at controlling synthetics and the reapers in past cycles. They're ready. TIM wasn't but shep is. Cause he's The Shepard.


Every ally and friend of Shep wants to destory the reapers. But that's the renegade choice.........
Cause it is. Cause the reapers are good. And should be allowed to live (control- paragon choice).

Sheps eyes turn to TIM and Saren eyes during control and stay regular during destroy. Even full renegade lobes reverse....... This means nothing. TIM and Saren have nothing in common. NOTHING.

The reapers are just doing things, this isn't war. They're not at conflict with the galaxy.



Like many have stated before:

It takes MORE headcanon to except the endings at face value.


Nuff said.

But who really cares. Debating the endings is interesting but a moot point.

[Argentoid]

TurianRebel212 wrote...


Therefore, the endings must be taken at face value:


-Shep can breath in outer space because he's The Shepard.
-Shep can survive the free fall back to earth with no armor, shields or space suit. Cause he's The Shepard.
-There are only 3 decesion chambers cause that's the narrative and it's 'art' and has 'artistic integrity'.
-And Leviathan is DLC, therefore it's not canon. And it's just an extension of the story.

-The Catalyst takes the child form cause shep has PTSD and combat fatigue.

That's why the kids in the dreams, and there's oily shadows and whispers in the dark. These are PTSD symptoms and nothing else. There's nothing in the lore of the series that says, these are nothing else than PTSD symptoms.

The reapers are a good thing, and are just doing things, like fire. They just burn. But there was never any fire in the the dreams. And if there was, again it's PTSD and means nothing. Move along.

Synthesis is the pinnacle of evolution- The catalyst say's so, therefore it's correct. Cause he's the Catalyst and he created everything. He was not created. He is GOD of everything.

Synthesis is the best choice. Cause the catalyst say's it's the 'final evolution of life'. Synthetics and organics combine to make the 'final evolution'. NO ONE else said this in the series. It's a brand new idea that ONLY the catalyst has said.

Shepard can handle control. Cause organic beings have done great at controlling synthetics and the reapers in past cycles. They're ready. TIM wasn't but shep is. Cause he's The Shepard.


Every ally and friend of Shep wants to destory the reapers. But that's the renegade choice.........
Cause it is. Cause the reapers are good. And should be allowed to live (control- paragon choice).

Sheps eyes turn to TIM and Saren eyes during control and stay regular during destroy. Even full renegade lobes reverse....... This means nothing. TIM and Saren have nothing in common. NOTHING.

The reapers are just doing things, this isn't war. They're not at conflict with the galaxy.



Like many have stated before:

It takes MORE headcanon to except the endings at face value.


Nuff said.

But who really cares. Debating the endings is interesting but a moot point.

0/1000000000000000


Not enough Garfield.

And I hope you were not serious about DLC.

Modifié par Argentoid, 11 février 2013 - 12:28 .

[TurianRebel212]

Argentoid wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...


Therefore, the endings must be taken at face value:


-Shep can breath in outer space because he's The Shepard.
-Shep can survive the free fall back to earth with no armor, shields or space suit. Cause he's The Shepard.
-There are only 3 decesion chambers cause that's the narrative and it's 'art' and has 'artistic integrity'.
-And Leviathan is DLC, therefore it's not canon. And it's just an extension of the story.

-The Catalyst takes the child form cause shep has PTSD and combat fatigue.

That's why the kids in the dreams, and there's oily shadows and whispers in the dark. These are PTSD symptoms and nothing else. There's nothing in the lore of the series that says, these are nothing else than PTSD symptoms.

The reapers are a good thing, and are just doing things, like fire. They just burn. But there was never any fire in the the dreams. And if there was, again it's PTSD and means nothing. Move along.

Synthesis is the pinnacle of evolution- The catalyst say's so, therefore it's correct. Cause he's the Catalyst and he created everything. He was not created. He is GOD of everything.

Synthesis is the best choice. Cause the catalyst say's it's the 'final evolution of life'. Synthetics and organics combine to make the 'final evolution'. NO ONE else said this in the series. It's a brand new idea that ONLY the catalyst has said.

Shepard can handle control. Cause organic beings have done great at controlling synthetics and the reapers in past cycles. They're ready. TIM wasn't but shep is. Cause he's The Shepard.


Every ally and friend of Shep wants to destory the reapers. But that's the renegade choice.........
Cause it is. Cause the reapers are good. And should be allowed to live (control- paragon choice).

Sheps eyes turn to TIM and Saren eyes during control and stay regular during destroy. Even full renegade lobes reverse....... This means nothing. TIM and Saren have nothing in common. NOTHING.

The reapers are just doing things, this isn't war. They're not at conflict with the galaxy.



Like many have stated before:

It takes MORE headcanon to except the endings at face value.


Nuff said.

But who really cares. Debating the endings is interesting but a moot point.

0/1000000000000000


Not enough Garfield.

And I hope you were not serious about DLC.

I am serious. Meow.

Endings make perfect since at face value, there is no need to interpret anything. They are perfect and are great and give closure. They make since. 









If your an Artard.