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[CosmicGnosis]

I've actually considered this exact possibility. It completely demolishes the complaints from people who believe that the entire physical scene is nonsense.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 06 avril 2013 - 04:29 .

[Ieldra]

This thread passed me by. Thanks, CosmicGnosis, for linking in in my Synthesis thread.

I must say it's a surprisingly coherent scenario. My only objection is that it starts with Shepard being unconscious, which raises questions about their decision-making ability. But I guess I could suspend my disbelief for that.

I don't agree with the Synthesis interpretation, since Shepard's DNA and synthetic components cannot be conducive to Synthesis, but my own interpretation that the information is taken from Shepard's mind works in this scenario as well.

[Indy_S]

It doesn't do anything, though. I agree with one month old me:

Indy_S wrote...
To me, it seems to explain why Shepard can breathe in the chamber and nothing else.

[KingZayd]

Argentoid wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Niholaren wrote...

Well your theory make sense . It is highly possible that the Catalyst "talked" to Shepard through thoughts and what we see is the representation in shepards mind.

how else would the catalyst take on the form of someone only shepard saw?

Obvious troll is obvious.

I SAID THAT THE CATALYST HAS THE SAME ABILITIES THAT THE LEVIATHANS HAVE. THE LEVIATHANS USED SHEPARD'S MEMORIES (therefore, familiar or recently seen people, like Ann Bryson) TO COMMUNICATE. THE CATALYST DOES THE SAME.

So why can't it be a trick?

Modifié par KingZayd, 10 avril 2013 - 01:49 .

[Vargeisa]

Even the geth use images from Shepard's mind in the consensus (why the quarians are all wearing helmets).

[Suron]

a spin on the I.T. theory...ho hum.

why do people insist on these stupid theories? I mean I can see "what if's" but to present them like they may actually be what happened? stupid.

it's EXACTLY as presented..there's no hidden crap...no dream state..EXACTLY. AS. PRESENTED.

reported..mods will decide if this is different enough to let the thread continue..either way I'm done.

I.T. thread with a new coat of paint GO

[Vargeisa]

Suron wrote...

a spin on the I.T. theory...ho hum.

why do people insist on these stupid theories? I mean I can see "what if's" but to present them like they may actually be what happened? stupid.

it's EXACTLY as presented..there's no hidden crap...no dream state..EXACTLY. AS. PRESENTED.

reported..mods will decide if this is different enough to let the thread continue..either way I'm done.

I.T. thread with a new coat of paint GO

I think you need some shoreleave.

[KingZayd]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I've actually considered this exact possibility. It completely demolishes the complaints from people who believe that the entire physical scene is nonsense.

Also eliminates any reason to trust the Starchild.

[Argentoid]

Suron wrote...

a spin on the I.T. theory...ho hum.

why do people insist on these stupid theories? I mean I can see "what if's" but to present them like they may actually be what happened? stupid.

it's EXACTLY as presented..there's no hidden crap...no dream state..EXACTLY. AS. PRESENTED.

reported..mods will decide if this is different enough to let the thread continue..either way I'm done.

I.T. thread with a new coat of paint GO

Okie dokie.

So what was the purpose of the Levi DLC? Whats up with all the "your memories give voice to our words"? Nothing?

2deep4u

"stupid theories"

No wonder people like you don't understand endings like 2001: Space Odyssey, because you would take it at extreme face value.

"OHOHLHOLHOHLHOHLHHO I DONT GHET IT!!!111" 

There's no indoctrination in my theory, my good friend. I just point out the communication method used with the Catalyst.

Modifié par Argentoid, 10 avril 2013 - 10:03 .

[Bill Casey]

Suron wrote...

it's EXACTLY as presented..there's no hidden crap...no dream state..EXACTLY. AS. PRESENTED.

Your sentence contradicts itself...

It is presented as a dream state...
There's dream music, constant fading to white and everything is metaphorical in nature...

So either it's not in the mind or it is exactly as presented...
It can't be both...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 avril 2013 - 10:09 .

[Argentoid]

Final bump.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I do not believe in this theory because the elevator that brings shepard up to the catalyst starts before the fade-to-white. So the elevator does indeed exist, and I do not think that Bioware would send Shepard on an elevator ride to a room we never get to see in the last 10 minutes.

[Argentoid]

Lizardviking wrote...

I do not believe in this theory because the elevator that brings shepard up to the catalyst starts before the fade-to-white. So the elevator does indeed exist, and I do not think that Bioware would send Shepard on an elevator ride to a room we never get to see in the last 10 minutes.

So you don't believe it just because of the Space Elevator. Right...

I don't know, but Space Elevator allows to merge the Catalyst's and Shepard's mind together, in a symbolical way. At least that's what I think it does.

It's so obvious that there's something more into the ending that when you try to understand in a logical way, people act like in denial, saying its just bad writing. Sorry, but sometimes I get really angry because of this type of ignorance.



This is the old version of the Catalyst "consensus". It had trees. Just like those from Shep's nightmares. Why it was removed? We may never know. Maybe because it was too obvious for you guys to see that the Catalyst is mind interfacing with Shepard.

And... what's the purpose of the Levi DLC?... Nothing? Nada? Seriously, I'm all ears. It was made for something, that something is to give sense to the ending squence. And the Catalyst's behaviour, of course.

I do not think that Bioware would send Shepard on an elevator ride to a room we never get to see in the last 10 minutes.

We are talking about Mac Walters and Casey Hudson here. The latter likes vague scenes with messages in them.

Modifié par Argentoid, 16 avril 2013 - 01:38 .

[smeggins773]

this is my exact beleief of what happened... thought it was very well explained and makes alot of sense.. kinda figured the catalyst was interfacing with shepard.. it is foreshadowed with the geth, project overlord and leviathan. good job OP

And everybody please stop complaining about the ending please. I just dont understand why when there are a lot of games, movies and shows out there that have way worse and are considered masterpieces.. just look at 2001 and the sopranos as an example... terrible endings but you dont see people whining about those

Modifié par smeggins773, 17 avril 2013 - 10:15 .

[TheWill]

the elevator is just like the platform legion uses in the concencus ... except he comes down and we go up... love the theory.. there too much weird to accept it all at face value .. those that do though.. i have to wonder if they just ran through the games not listening to anything. and we have to apply everything we learn about edi to the catalyst.. lying.. self modifying core programming...wanting to learn...if she can..it can

[Argentoid]

smeggins773 wrote...

And everybody please stop complaining about the ending please. I just dont understand why when there are a lot of games, movies and shows out there that have way worse and are considered masterpieces.. just look at 2001 and the sopranos as an example... terrible endings but you dont see people whining about those

People have the right to complain. But after a year? Neh. 

[SirLugash]

That theory is quite interesting and makes more sense than face value, but still I don't understand why the Catalyst would even offer Destroy as a choice.
According to Leviathan, the Catalyst's task was the preservation of life (from organic-synthetic-conflict) and this has not been fulfilled yet.
How would destroying the Reapers accomplish this?
Why would the Catalyst allow it?

Modifié par SirLugash, 18 avril 2013 - 02:50 .

[Argentoid]

SirLugash wrote...

That theory is quite interesting and makes more sense than face value, but still I don't understand why the Catalyst would even offer Destroy as a choice.
According to Leviathan, the Catalyst's task was the preservation of life (from organic-synthetic-conflict) and this has not been fulfilled yet.
How would destroying the Reapers accomplish this?
Why would the Catalyst allow it?

Because the Catalyst was forced to consider Destroy as an option because of the Crucible.

The Crucible comes up with three choices. 

Catalyst: "The Crucible changed me, created new possibilities..."

Therefore, it hacked the kid. 

Modifié par Argentoid, 19 avril 2013 - 03:08 .

[Usefull_idiot]

What does IT mean..?

[SirLugash]

Argentoid wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

That theory is quite interesting and makes more sense than face value, but still I don't understand why the Catalyst would even offer Destroy as a choice.
According to Leviathan, the Catalyst's task was the preservation of life (from organic-synthetic-conflict) and this has not been fulfilled yet.
How would destroying the Reapers accomplish this?
Why would the Catalyst allow it?

Because the Catalyst was forced to consider Destroy as an option because of the Crucible.

The Crucible comes up with three choices. 

Catalyst: "The Crucible changed me, created new possibilities..."

Therefore, it hacked the kid. 

Even though the Crucible might change him (and I don't think a power source can hack anything to be honest) it's hard to believe that it would let the Catalyst throw his overall task out of the window.
I mean Control would be a viable option, letting someone else do the job.
But Destroy basically means the Catalyst abandones the reason he was created for as I don't see how Destroy is a new created possibility to solve the problem.
The Catalyst seeks a way to get rid of the Synthetic-vs-Organic problem once and for all and Destroy does in no way fulfill this.
Maybe you can elaborate your view on this a little more, I'm really curious.

Also, I don't believe the Crucible comes with the Choices but the Catalyst (or the Citadel).
Even though the decision chamber isn't exactly real according to your theory, it is still shown that the decisions are on the Citadel (or the Catalyst as the Citadel is part of him), the Crucible being above you.

Usefull_idiot wrote...

What does IT mean..?

Indoctrination Theory.

Modifié par SirLugash, 20 avril 2013 - 12:17 .

[Dubozz]

Still a better ending. If a lot of people are trying to make your ending "unreal" something is seriously wrong with it.

[Argentoid]

Dubozz wrote...

If a lot of people are trying to make your ending "unreal" something is seriously wrong with it.

The ending does happen in my theory, goddamit. The only thing I point out is the communication method used by the Catalyst, which takes place in the Catalyst's consensus.

I don't what's wrong with the ending... maybe its the fact that a lot of people take it on the literal way. Just like most dummies took Sovereign's statements literal way OVER 9000:

"We have no beginning. We have no end"

OH DEER! THEY WERE BORN OUT OF THIN AIR! BRILLIANT! DREW KARPYSHYN FTW! MAC WALTERS SUCKS!

[Argentoid]

Even though the Crucible might change him (and I don't think a power source can hack anything to be honest) it's hard to believe that it would let the Catalyst throw his overall task out of the window.

Even if the Crucible it's a powersource it doesn't matter, it changed him. The Catalyst said it.  And he was forced to accept them. 

In the leaked script, it was also detailed that the Crucible made the Catalyst loose control of the Reapers for a brief moment... so I still think that the Crucible is what I said before. Well, maybe not a hacking device, but you see my point.

One day, maybe, I'll ask one of the writers about this. That'd be awesome.

Modifié par Argentoid, 20 avril 2013 - 12:30 .

[SirLugash]

Argentoid wrote...

Even though the Crucible might change him (and I don't think a power source can hack anything to be honest) it's hard to believe that it would let the Catalyst throw his overall task out of the window.

Even if the Crucible it's a powersource it doesn't matter, it changed him. The Catalyst said it.  And he was forced to accept them. 

In the leaked script, it was also detailed that the Crucible made the Catalyst loose control of the Reapers for a brief moment... so I still think that the Crucible is what I said before. Well, maybe not a hacking device, but you see my point.

One day, maybe, I'll ask one of the writers about this. That'd be awesome.

If they still remember by then ^^
I get your point and I hope you get mine.
Creating new possibilities to me means new possibilities to accomplish my assignment, which Destroy doesn't.
I can't believe that the Crucible made the Catalyst suddenly think "Hmm maybe I should just kill myself".
But that's just me, apparently we will never know for sure.

[Dubozz]

Argentoid wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

If a lot of people are trying to make your ending "unreal" something is seriously wrong with it.

The ending does happen in my theory, goddamit. The only thing I point out is the communication method used by the Catalyst, which takes place in the Catalyst's consensus.

I don't what's wrong with the ending... maybe its the fact that a lot of people take it on the literal way. Just like most dummies took Sovereign's statements literal way OVER 9000:

"We have no beginning. We have no end"

OH DEER! THEY WERE BORN OUT OF THIN AIR! BRILLIANT! DREW KARPYSHYN FTW! MAC WALTERS SUCKS!

maybe this could be better.. (f**** starchild still annoying) maybe if we would see shep lying
 on the floor near anderson after the last conversation it could be better, maybe if catalyst would look like aveena/vigil/ other stuff that is NOT retarded starchild with a crappy voice it could be better, if we would save shep from the citadel in destroy/say bb to joker in control and send back the shuttle (not menton synthesis - it should be retconned for good). it could be better, BUT bioware failed at execution as well as with the concept of the ending. Two times. Even with ec it is still good old catalyst rbg 3 colored bs. 

Yeah i kinda agree this "interface theory" could remove shoot the tube/jump into the beam etc nonsense by making it unreal. this is a good thing, but as i said before concept of the ending stays. 

Modifié par Dubozz, 20 avril 2013 - 04:05 .