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[o Ventus]

Sejborg wrote...

So what? The EVA CORE body is fast, has great armor, can wield different kinds of weapon, and it can effortlesly take Ashley by the head and slam it against a wall again and again.

Your puny LOKI mech can't do any of that - mods or no. 

1. If by "fast" you mean on par with Shepard, sure. Going by this, everyone in the galaxy is fast, because everyone more or less runs the same speed.

2. Yeah. Armor so great that EDI is killed in combat by a Centurion with 6 or so shots.

3. You say this like its a point for EDI. The Rampart mech could wield other weapons too.

4. See #3.

[BleedingUranium]

o Ventus wrote...

2. Yeah. Armor so great that EDI is killed in combat by a Centurion with 6 or so shots.

Gameplay and story segregation.

A good example is Halo, where the Spartans' MJOLNIR armour's shields can take minutes of gunfire and things like tanks rounds and not go down. Gameplay? Not so much.

[Sejborg]

o Ventus wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

So what? The EVA CORE body is fast, has great armor, can wield different kinds of weapon, and it can effortlesly take Ashley by the head and slam it against a wall again and again.

Your puny LOKI mech can't do any of that - mods or no. 

1. If by "fast" you mean on par with Shepard, sure. Going by this, everyone in the galaxy is fast, because everyone more or less runs the same speed.

2. Yeah. Armor so great that EDI is killed in combat by a Centurion with 6 or so shots.

3. You say this like its a point for EDI. The Rampart mech could wield other weapons too.

4. See #3.

1. No. Not everyone is fast. For instance your puny LOKI mech or Ramparts do not move that fast - making them slow.

2. 6 shots is alot better than what your precious (but puny) LOKI mech can withstand.

3. Ok. So you may have found one point were they are equals. However on all other points the EVA CORE is clearly superior.

4. That has never happened, so I don't believe you. 

[o Ventus]

Sejborg wrote...

1. No. Not everyone is fast. For instance your puny LOKI mech or Ramparts do not move that fast - making them slow.

2. 6 shots is alot better than what your precious (but puny) LOKI mech can withstand.

3. Ok. So you may have found one point were they are equals. However on all other points the EVA CORE is clearly superior.

4. That has never happened, so I don't believe you. 

You insist on calling it a LOKI. Do you actually know what a Rampart mech is?

[Enhanced]

The body is the most advanced mech we've seen in ME. Also, EDI wouldn't want to be a Loki or Rampart mech. She wants to look as human as possible.

Modifié par Enhanced, 11 février 2013 - 10:37 .

[o Ventus]

Enhanced wrote...

The body is the most advanced mech we've seen in ME.

The geth.

Also, EDI wouldn't want to be a Loki or Rampart mech. She wants look as human as possible.

How do you know what EDI "wants"?

[Sejborg]

o Ventus wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

1. No. Not everyone is fast. For instance your puny LOKI mech or Ramparts do not move that fast - making them slow.

2. 6 shots is alot better than what your precious (but puny) LOKI mech can withstand.

3. Ok. So you may have found one point were they are equals. However on all other points the EVA CORE is clearly superior.

4. That has never happened, so I don't believe you. 

You insist on calling it a LOKI. Do you actually know what a Rampart mech is?

LOKI mech is the topic of this thread. The Rampart is not. Do you actually know what a topic is?

The Rampart mech was created by the cerberus organisation located on Omega in ME3. I don't know why you are so interested in talking about it though, since EVA CORE is superior to it in almost any way. At best the Rampart is an equal to EVA CORE in some specific areas - like being able to wield weapons. 

Why would you want EDI to be uploaded to a droid that is of subpar standard? Why not go with the best? 

[Sejborg]

o Ventus wrote...

How do you know what EDI "wants"?

EDI chose EVA CORE! How is that for "wants"?

Forget. I just realised that you are trolling. 

[o Ventus]

Sejborg wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

How do you know what EDI "wants"?

EDI chose EVA CORE! How is that for "wants"?

Forget. I just realised that you are trolling. 

She didn't "choose" anything. What other disabled mech bodies were on the Normandy? Kei-9?

Oh, right. Challenging your assertion that EDI "wanted" anything = trolling.

[o Ventus]

Sejborg wrote...

LOKI mech is the topic of this thread. The Rampart is not. Do you actually know what a topic is?

The Rampart mech was created by the cerberus organisation located on Omega in ME3. I don't know why you are so interested in talking about it though, since EVA CORE is superior to it in almost any way. At best the Rampart is an equal to EVA CORE in some specific areas - like being able to wield weapons. 

Why would you want EDI to be uploaded to a droid that is of subpar standard? Why not go with the best? 

Because I don't want to be banned, I won't insult you.

The Rampart IS a LOKI mech, albeit heavily modified and FAR more capable than its predecessor.

Also, well done on countering my point with nothing. I've stated some things the Rampart is capable of. All you've done is refute them by saying "Nuh-uh, Eva's body is better!" You haven't stated a single fact.

[Enhanced]

o Ventus wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

The body is the most advanced mech we've seen in ME.

The geth.

Also, EDI wouldn't want to be a Loki or Rampart mech. She wants look as human as possible.

How do you know what EDI "wants"?

Geth can't self repair, Legion still has a hole in it's body.  If you shoot a geth in the face, it's head explodes, but EDI's body just gets knocked out and recovers.

It's obvious that she wants to look like a human. She studies human characteristics in ME2 and ME3. She wants to be in a relationship with Joker. She want's to fit in with the Normandy's crew.

Modifié par Enhanced, 11 février 2013 - 10:57 .

[BleedingUranium]

You're basically trying to argue that there's a ship on par with, or more advanced than Normandy. There is not. Same goes for EDI's body, it's just as obvious.

[Ninja Stan]

This is a reminder that we can disagree with each other without insults. Let's keep it civil, please.

[Sejborg]

o Ventus wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

LOKI mech is the topic of this thread. The Rampart is not. Do you actually know what a topic is?

The Rampart mech was created by the cerberus organisation located on Omega in ME3. I don't know why you are so interested in talking about it though, since EVA CORE is superior to it in almost any way. At best the Rampart is an equal to EVA CORE in some specific areas - like being able to wield weapons. 

Why would you want EDI to be uploaded to a droid that is of subpar standard? Why not go with the best? 

Because I don't want to be banned, I won't insult you.

The Rampart IS a LOKI mech, albeit heavily modified and FAR more capable than its predecessor.

Also, well done on countering my point with nothing. I've stated some things the Rampart is capable of. All you've done is refute them by saying "Nuh-uh, Eva's body is better!" You haven't stated a single fact.

Nope. You just pick and choose as you feel like, intentionally ignoring the parts that make EVA CORE a better body, than the LOKI - or Rampart for that matter. 

Go look at what I and others have written.

It is faster, more agile, stronger (as I said it can wield Ashley by the head; none of your mechs have done something similar) and it can do infiltration work.

Now answer me this: Why is it that you think EDI would be better off in a Rampart instead of the EVA CORE?

Modifié par Sejborg, 11 février 2013 - 11:24 .

[o Ventus]

Sejborg wrote...

Nope. You just pick and choose as you feel like, intentionally ignoring the parts that make EVA CORE a better body, than the LOKI - or Rampart for that matter. 

Go look at what I and others have written.

It is faster, more agile, stronger (as I said it can wield Ashley by the head; none of your mechs have done something similar) and it can do infiltration work.

Now answer me this: Why is it that you think EDI would be better off in a Rampart instead of the EVA CORE?

Picking and choosing? I laid out he Rampart's most basic combat functions. It's immune to Cerberus force fields, can protect itself in an impenetrable bubble, and can wield various weapons (Katana shotgun by default, omni blades when Hunter Killer mode is active). Your point about the Rampart being physically weak (rather, weaker than EDI) is absurd. There is nothing at all to suggest it. Again, you haven't stated any facts that counter what I say. You only come back with "Eva is better!; Rampart sucks!"

I never denied not countered that EDI is agile. EDi is fast, but the Rampart in HK mode is right on her level. 

[o Ventus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

You're basically trying to argue that there's a ship on par with, or more advanced than Normandy. There is not. Same goes for EDI's body, it's just as obvious.

... What? I never said anything about a ship.

Like the other guy, you haven't stated anything even remotely factual. "It's just as obvious" is meaningless when you don't provide any context.

[Sejborg]

o Ventus wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Nope. You just pick and choose as you feel like, intentionally ignoring the parts that make EVA CORE a better body, than the LOKI - or Rampart for that matter. 

Go look at what I and others have written.

It is faster, more agile, stronger (as I said it can wield Ashley by the head; none of your mechs have done something similar) and it can do infiltration work.

Now answer me this: Why is it that you think EDI would be better off in a Rampart instead of the EVA CORE?

Picking and choosing? I laid out he Rampart's most basic combat functions. It's immune to Cerberus force fields, can protect itself in an impenetrable bubble, and can wield various weapons (Katana shotgun by default, omni blades when Hunter Killer mode is active). Your point about the Rampart being physically weak (rather, weaker than EDI) is absurd. There is nothing at all to suggest it. Again, you haven't stated any facts that counter what I say. You only come back with "Eva is better!; Rampart sucks!"

I never denied not countered that EDI is agile. EDi is fast, but the Rampart in HK mode is right on her level. 

This is hopeless. When I or others mention EVA CORE's assets you just claim that they are not facts. Play the game or read the wiki's and you would know them to be true. And the bold part clearly shows that you are not reading my posts. You are simply deciding for yourself what my posts is about.

Is your Rampart mech capable of:
Incinerate
Overload
Defense matrix
Decoy

Because in the EVA CORE body EDI can do those things.

I don't know how you run your squad but having a squadmember walk through a force field without the rest of the squad or standing around in its own corner with it's shield up being all invulnerable is pretty damn useless. I take those powers I listed above any day instead of what the Rampart offers. 

This is like aguing why a brand new Mercedes is better than a Lada. 

[Display Name Owner]

Just to weigh in for no reason at all...

The Rampart Mech has an omni blade, which presumably means it can be fitted with an omni-tool, which would indeed allow it to perform Incinerate and Overload. IIRC it also has something similar to Defense Matrix or a shield boost or something similar. Decoy, to be honest I don't even know how that power is supposed to work. But no, the Rampart Mech can't do that. But to be fair, the RM never had a cutscene where it faced off with a squadmate. There's no indication of it being stronger or weaker than EVA. Still, you disable EVA with what, 6 shots from a pistol (the most basic model no less)? So maybe her durability isn't all that great. She survives the Kodiak crash, but then so does James. EVA is superior in that the body can house an advanced AI, which Loki mechs probably aren't equipped to do. But then, EDI's main intelligence is still housed aboard the Normandy IIRC, so it shouldn't be a major issue.

[ZLurps]

Robosexual wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Thing is the only person this applies to is Ashley, and even then it's countered by all the females in the Alliance that don't have big boobs, including Shepard, and all the perfect males.

Miranda is genetically perfect, EDI is designed to look like that, and Liara is a civillian who, to be fair, shows no skin and doesn't even wear a skin tight outfit.

Doesn't matter. Results appear plausible or unplausible, if they appear unplausible in established series, it's a failure on artistic direction department.

No it's not, that's subjective, and isn't a fault of the creators.

Only to degree, you should have read that article I linked.

[o Ventus]

isnudo wrote...

Just to weigh in for no reason at all...

The Rampart Mech has an omni blade, which presumably means it can be fitted with an omni-tool, which would indeed allow it to perform Incinerate and Overload. IIRC it also has something similar to Defense Matrix or a shield boost or something similar. Decoy, to be honest I don't even know how that power is supposed to work. But no, the Rampart Mech can't do that. But to be fair, the RM never had a cutscene where it faced off with a squadmate. There's no indication of it being stronger or weaker than EVA. Still, you disable EVA with what, 6 shots from a pistol (the most basic model no less)? So maybe her durability isn't all that great. She survives the Kodiak crash, but then so does James. EVA is superior in that the body can house an advanced AI, which Loki mechs probably aren't equipped to do. But then, EDI's main intelligence is still housed aboard the Normandy IIRC, so it shouldn't be a major issue.

Since you already posted this, I'll just silently agree.

Though I'm not sure what to make of the old LOKI not being able to house EDI. Doesn't EDI say after obtaining her body that the body is controlled via signals from the Normandy? Wouldn't her control of a LOKI function in a similar fashion? Or any other mech for that matter? She hasn't actually transferred her "consciousness" into the body, all it seems to need is the ability to transmit and receive signals.

Modifié par o Ventus, 12 février 2013 - 01:16 .

[Wayning_Star]

o Ventus wrote...

isnudo wrote...

Just to weigh in for no reason at all...

The Rampart Mech has an omni blade, which presumably means it can be fitted with an omni-tool, which would indeed allow it to perform Incinerate and Overload. IIRC it also has something similar to Defense Matrix or a shield boost or something similar. Decoy, to be honest I don't even know how that power is supposed to work. But no, the Rampart Mech can't do that. But to be fair, the RM never had a cutscene where it faced off with a squadmate. There's no indication of it being stronger or weaker than EVA. Still, you disable EVA with what, 6 shots from a pistol (the most basic model no less)? So maybe her durability isn't all that great. She survives the Kodiak crash, but then so does James. EVA is superior in that the body can house an advanced AI, which Loki mechs probably aren't equipped to do. But then, EDI's main intelligence is still housed aboard the Normandy IIRC, so it shouldn't be a major issue.

Since you already posted this, I'll just silently agree.

Though I'm not sure what to make of the old LOKI not being able to house EDI. Doesn't EDI say after obtaining her body that the body is controlled via signals from the Normandy? Wouldn't her control of a LOKI function in a similar fashion? Or any other mech for that matter? She hasn't actually transferred her "consciousness" into the body, all it seems to need is the ability to transmit and receive signals.

probably why she felt alive more with synthesis? just say'n...

[Sejborg]

isnudo wrote...

Just to weigh in for no reason at all...

The Rampart Mech has an omni blade, which presumably means it can be fitted with an omni-tool, which would indeed allow it to perform Incinerate and Overload. IIRC it also has something similar to Defense Matrix or a shield boost or something similar. Decoy, to be honest I don't even know how that power is supposed to work. But no, the Rampart Mech can't do that. But to be fair, the RM never had a cutscene where it faced off with a squadmate. There's no indication of it being stronger or weaker than EVA. Still, you disable EVA with what, 6 shots from a pistol (the most basic model no less)? So maybe her durability isn't all that great. She survives the Kodiak crash, but then so does James. EVA is superior in that the body can house an advanced AI, which Loki mechs probably aren't equipped to do. But then, EDI's main intelligence is still housed aboard the Normandy IIRC, so it shouldn't be a major issue.

This is just silly. You can't just add something to it and say.... Great, now it can do that as well.

Because hey, what if we fitted EVA with a tactical nuclear? Now it got that going for it as well. Put that up on the plus side.

Give me a break. 

Besides it is not just 6 shots. There is the kodiak crash, she gets rammed and is on fire.

[o Ventus]

Sejborg wrote...

This is just silly. You can't just add something to it and say.... Great, now it can do that as well.

Because hey, what if we fitted EVA with a tactical nuclear? Now it got that going for it as well. Put that up on the plus side.

Give me a break. 

Besides it is not just 6 shots. There is the kodiak crash, she gets rammed and is on fire.

You should consider running for a public office, with your near-political ability to dismiss things that may disprove your notion.

She was rammed along with the Kodiak crash? Are those 2 not the same thing? A what other point was she rammed by anything? 

My God, you just HAVE to be right, no matter how illogical your presentation is.

[Sejborg]

o Ventus wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

This is just silly. You can't just add something to it and say.... Great, now it can do that as well.

Because hey, what if we fitted EVA with a tactical nuclear? Now it got that going for it as well. Put that up on the plus side.

Give me a break. 

Besides it is not just 6 shots. There is the kodiak crash, she gets rammed and is on fire.

You should consider running for a public office, with your near-political ability to dismiss things that may disprove your notion.

She was rammed along with the Kodiak crash? Are those 2 not the same thing? A what other point was she rammed by anything? 

My God, you just HAVE to be right, no matter how illogical your presentation is.

The kodiak she was in gets rammed. I tried to describe the crash.

And what is illogical about choosing the better model?

I don't HAVE to be right. I just happen to BE right this time.

This is going no where. You stopped arguing your case and now you just try to target me as a person. Sad. Is it really that hard to admit that EVA CORE is better than the Rampart?

[o Ventus]

You can't say that Eva is better than the Rampart or not. You say she's strong, that she's agile, that she can wield various weapons, etc.

These are not advantageous to Eva.

Once again, aside from (likely) being more agile than the Rampart and Eva's more humanoid silhouette, in what way is her platform better? Remember, the Rampart has omni blades (thus an omnitool) and an impenetrable shield, as well as thermal resistant armor. She isn't any faster, the Rampart is just as fast once hunter killer kicks in. She isn't as formidable against crowds of enemies (in fact, the Rampart was specifically designed as a riot mech).

Modifié par o Ventus, 12 février 2013 - 03:26 .