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[FAButzke]

I would trade EDI for Mordin/Wrex/Jack/Zaeed/Thane/Jacob/Grunt any day.
Also, in ME3, Ashley looks like she was a man before and a sex change surgery. Can't stand her looks. (She is not as hideous as Allers though.)

[DirtySHISN0]

arial wrote...
who else would have liked it more if, instead of the body EDI has, she was just put into a highly upgraded LOKI mech?

Probably already been said, Isn't that what we actually already have?

I don't buy into the whole "EDIs body is oversexualised" because there are better examples of over sexualisation within the EA two thirds of Mass Effect, reguarding male and female characters, that BSN willfully ignores.

Still, less bouyant and more sleek is how i would have designed her. More "I've chosen a gender and selected a body, deal with it" instead of "help me define my gender instead of my personality".

All in all, I quite like EDI as is. There is always room for improvement though.

[Indy_S]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

arial wrote...
who else would have liked it more if, instead of the body EDI has, she was just put into a highly upgraded LOKI mech?

Probably already been said, Isn't that what we actually already have?

I don't buy into the whole "EDIs body is oversexualised" because there are better examples of over sexualisation within the EA two thirds of Mass Effect, reguarding male and female characters, that BSN willfully ignores.

Still, less bouyant and more sleek is how i would have designed her. More "I've chosen a gender and selected a body, deal with it" instead of "help me define my gender instead of my personality".

All in all, I quite like EDI as is. There is always room for improvement though.

I don't wilfully ignore it. I'm well aware of the over-sexualisation of the other characters. Given the sum total of over-sexualisation, I've got to ask, where do we draw the line?

[BleedingUranium]

Indy_S wrote...

I don't wilfully ignore it. I'm well aware of the over-sexualisation of the other characters. Given the sum total of over-sexualisation, I've got to ask, where do we draw the line?

Draw the line? lol

[Clayless]

Indy_S wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Why do you hate it?

I wouldn't hate it if it was JUST EDI. But it isn't. There are six or seven characters (the only ones in the setting) that have D cup breasts. They are all in your squad. You know everyone with a large rack on a first name basis. Couple it with the fact that the only female characters that can do anything in this setting have giant boobs and you get a fairly advanced case of 'Amazon fantasies'. That kind of thing just breaks my immersion.

All the guys have perfect bodies too. They even highlight Vega's a few times to emphasise this.

I could understand where you're coming from if this was just a girl thing, but it's not. There's nothing wrong with EDI's body because it's just that, a body.

Modifié par Robosexual, 11 février 2013 - 11:56 .

[Indy_S]

Robosexual wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Why do you hate it?

I wouldn't hate it if it was JUST EDI. But it isn't. There are six or seven characters (the only ones in the setting) that have D cup breasts. They are all in your squad. You know everyone with a large rack on a first name basis. Couple it with the fact that the only female characters that can do anything in this setting have giant boobs and you get a fairly advanced case of 'Amazon fantasies'. That kind of thing just breaks my immersion.

All the guys have perfect bodies too. They even highlight Vega's a few times to emphasise this.

I could understand where you're coming from if this was just a girl thing, but it's not, there's nothing wrong with EDI's body because it's just that, a body.

Again, if it was just EDI, I probably wouldn't mind too much. I think you do understand that having it apply to everyone breaks my immersion. People make fun of the crazy muscle-bound nature of Gears of War and then a character appears in ME with the same build. Vega is bad, too. Jacob, Thane, Kaidan, Cortez, they're all bad. BUT they are somewhat more believeable than their female counterparts. Muscles in the military is not much of a stretch. D-cup breasts on all the greatest warriors... A bit more of a stretch, no?

[BleedingUranium]

Indy_S wrote...

Again, if it was just EDI, I probably wouldn't mind too much. I think you do understand that having it apply to everyone breaks my immersion. People make fun of the crazy muscle-bound nature of Gears of War and then a character appears in ME with the same build. Vega is bad, too. Jacob, Thane, Kaidan, Cortez, they're all bad. BUT they are somewhat more believeable than their female counterparts. Muscles in the military is not much of a stretch. D-cup breasts on all the greatest warriors... A bit more of a stretch, no?

I don't see any problems. Ash is the only actual soldier out of them anyway.

[JBPBRC]

Indy_S wrote...

D-cup breasts on all the greatest warriors... A bit more of a stretch, no?

Not a stretch at all, all things considered.

[Display Name Owner]

I can get behind a bit of sexualisation, I won't lie. Samara's cleavage revealing armour, fine (although I could have lived without it). Miranda's catsuit, not fit for every situation, but fine. Jacob's manhood-threatening skintight armour, cool, let the ladies have something to look at too, hehe. Benezia's dress - kind of pushing it, actually. But EDI's design I just can't bring myself to like, for some reason. It's the one example I find positively immersion breaking. In the other cases it feels like characters who happen to be sexy, but EDI seems like she was designed around the concept of being overtly sexy, and it was kind of pointless. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but her getting a body serves no practical purpose beyond having something curvaceous to look at. Everything she does on Chronos, the only mission she's actually required for, could have been done remotely.

I just don't think the body played any role in her growth as a character, except for the Joker romance, which I shoot down every time because honestly I find it kind of daft. Maybe if her design felt more 'natural' and less 'forced' I would have liked it.

Modifié par isnudo, 11 février 2013 - 12:09 .

[Clayless]

Indy_S wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

All the guys have perfect bodies too. They even highlight Vega's a few times to emphasise this.

I could understand where you're coming from if this was just a girl thing, but it's not, there's nothing wrong with EDI's body because it's just that, a body.

Again, if it was just EDI, I probably wouldn't mind too much. I think you do understand that having it apply to everyone breaks my immersion. People make fun of the crazy muscle-bound nature of Gears of War and then a character appears in ME with the same build. Vega is bad, too. Jacob, Thane, Kaidan, Cortez, they're all bad. BUT they are somewhat more believeable than their female counterparts. Muscles in the military is not much of a stretch. D-cup breasts on all the greatest warriors... A bit more of a stretch, no?

D-Cup breasts in the military, or greatest warriors, only applies to Ashley.

Liara is an alien, and not in the military. EDI is an infiltration unit, and not a combat unit or made for the military. Tali doesn't have big boobs.

So basically that's one case of someone having big boobs in a situation where it would seem unrealistic, but one person having big boobs in the military isn't unrealistic. All the military guys have perfect bodies, as in perfect perfect, so it's not like there's any sort of discrimination.

[Indy_S]

JBPBRC wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

D-cup breasts on all the greatest warriors... A bit more of a stretch, no?

Not a stretch at all, all things considered.

Yeah. That's what I mean when I call it an 'immature fantasy'.

[JBPBRC]

isnudo wrote...

 Miranda's catsuit, not fit for every situation, but fine. 

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In the other cases it feels like characters who happen to be sexy, but EDI seems like she was designed around the concept of being overtly sexy, and it was kind of pointless. 

Wait...Miranda is fine, but EDI isn't? Despite being designed specifically (even with in- game lore) to be sexy? 

[BleedingUranium]

Indy_S wrote...

Yeah. That's what I mean when I call it an 'immature fantasy'.

Why you keep calling natural sexual attraction that's hardwired into our brains "an immature fantasy" escapes me.

JBPBRC wrote...

Wait...Miranda is fine, but EDI isn't? Despite being designed specifically (even with in- game lore) to be sexy?

Exactly, it even makes perfect sense in-universe. By making her (with the Eva Coré skin) very attractive, people are going to be less suspicious of her. It makes perfect sense.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 11 février 2013 - 12:16 .

[Indy_S]

Robosexual wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Again, if it was just EDI, I probably wouldn't mind too much. I think you do understand that having it apply to everyone breaks my immersion. People make fun of the crazy muscle-bound nature of Gears of War and then a character appears in ME with the same build. Vega is bad, too. Jacob, Thane, Kaidan, Cortez, they're all bad. BUT they are somewhat more believeable than their female counterparts. Muscles in the military is not much of a stretch. D-cup breasts on all the greatest warriors... A bit more of a stretch, no?

D-Cup breasts in the military, or greatest warriors, only applies to Ashley.

Liara is an alien, and not in the military. EDI is an infiltration unit, and not a combat unit or made for the military. Tali doesn't have big boobs.

So basically that's one case of someone having big boobs in a situation where it would seem unrealistic, but one person having big boobs in the military isn't unrealistic. All the military guys have perfect bodies, as in perfect perfect, so it's not like there's any sort of discrimination.

Fortunately, I did clarify for 'greatest warriors' in the case of the women. Ash, Liara and EDI all have large boobs. In a galaxy where they make up half the cast with large boobs, that's really concerning. They were all designed with large breasts because someone wanted more large breasts in the game. That's not endearing me to their appearance. Their prior incarnations fit the universe better.

Fun fact about the guys: Shepard, Kaidan and Steve all have the same birthmark on their back. Yay for copy-pasting.

[78stonewobble]

I mentally explained it away with... as an infiltration model... Why not go for the looks to eg. seduce. Thats practically a no brainer if you have the option.

The cameltoe was a bit over the top tho...

Over sexualisation was more apparent and silly in the case of Samara. For Miranda, as she was designed, the same argument applies as for EDI. Though again... For the love of god ditch the cameltoe! *lol*



More interestingly I reject the notion that EDI is just programming and not an AI. She afaik definately shows the capability to go beyond her basic programming, learn, adapt and evolve. To me trademarks of a true Artificial Intelligence.

Heck I'd wage most people would fail at learn, adapt and evolve.

[BleedingUranium]

Indy_S wrote...

Their prior incarnations fit the universe better.

Yay for copy-pasting.

Pick one.

[Indy_S]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Yeah. That's what I mean when I call it an 'immature fantasy'.

Why you keep calling natural sexual attraction that's hardwired into our brains "an immature fantasy" escapes me.

The fantasy is to be surrounded by attractive, incredibly busty women. That's more than natural sexual attraction.

[Indy_S]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Their prior incarnations fit the universe better.

Yay for copy-pasting.

Pick one.

Hmmm... It's almost as if context changes those quotes so that it isn't a dichotomy...

[Clayless]

Indy_S wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

D-Cup breasts in the military, or greatest warriors, only applies to Ashley.

Liara is an alien, and not in the military. EDI is an infiltration unit, and not a combat unit or made for the military. Tali doesn't have big boobs.

So basically that's one case of someone having big boobs in a situation where it would seem unrealistic, but one person having big boobs in the military isn't unrealistic. All the military guys have perfect bodies, as in perfect perfect, so it's not like there's any sort of discrimination.

Fortunately, I did clarify for 'greatest warriors' in the case of the women. Ash, Liara and EDI all have large boobs. In a galaxy where they make up half the cast with large boobs, that's really concerning. They were all designed with large breasts because someone wanted more large breasts in the game. That's not endearing me to their appearance. Their prior incarnations fit the universe better.

Fun fact about the guys: Shepard, Kaidan and Steve all have the same birthmark on their back. Yay for copy-pasting.

Why is it concerning? What's bad about them having big boobs?

[BleedingUranium]

Indy_S wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Their prior incarnations fit the universe better.

Yay for copy-pasting.

Pick one.

Hmmm... It's almost as if context changes those quotes so that it isn't a dichotomy...

I'll spell it out for you: you say you like their previous verisons better, even though that's ME1's single body size for every human female and asari, and then complain about copy-pasting with a tiny detail.

[BleedingUranium]

Robosexual wrote...

Why is it concerning? What's bad about them having big boobs?

And why does their breast size even matter?

[DirtySHISN0]

Indy_S wrote...

I don't wilfully ignore it. I'm well aware of the over-sexualisation of the other characters. Given the sum total of over-sexualisation, I've got to ask, where do we draw the line?

We Either go back to ME1 where all humanoids shared 2 stock body shapes either male/female or we stop complaining about it all together.  People need to stop claiming it is only a problem with EDI.

General statement/response - not specifically at you, but you understand what i mean.

[Some Gamer Guy]

EDI was one of my favorite characters in ME3. The fact she's sexy is only a bonus to a great character arc. And her romance with Joker, and her curiosity in human customs... all heartwarming.

[Indy_S]

Robosexual wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Fortunately, I did clarify for 'greatest warriors' in the case of the women. Ash, Liara and EDI all have large boobs. In a galaxy where they make up half the cast with large boobs, that's really concerning. They were all designed with large breasts because someone wanted more large breasts in the game. That's not endearing me to their appearance. Their prior incarnations fit the universe better.

Fun fact about the guys: Shepard, Kaidan and Steve all have the same birthmark on their back. Yay for copy-pasting.

Why is it concerning? What's bad about them having big boobs?

Considering only the people of the Normandy are capable of doing things in this setting, it seems to reinforce the idea that large breasts are the only way to be a woman. That's not said in the game, it's just a side-effect of having all of these stacked characters together. The rule is as follows: If you have small breasts, you might not be a woman, whereas if you have large breasts, you are certainly one. That's not the only way to interpret it, I understand, but what about this seems like a mature way of handling this? I can't see it.

[JBPBRC]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

I don't wilfully ignore it. I'm well aware of the over-sexualisation of the other characters. Given the sum total of over-sexualisation, I've got to ask, where do we draw the line?

We Either go back to ME1 where all humanoids shared 2 stock body shapes either male/female or we stop complaining about it all together.  People need to stop claiming it is only a problem with EDI.

General statement/response - not specifically at you, but you understand what i mean.

I think having a good blend of character models beyond just "average" and "comic book" proportions would be a good middle ground as well.