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[LadyVaJedi]

I like the idea of saying my dog ate the dragon.

[Tirigon]

It´s a pointless discussion. In the end it will turn out that every Warden is nothing but a few pixels which are used by higher entities bored with their lifes who have created a Matrix in which the Wardens are caught. And if a Warden survived it´s simply because the higher entity controlling him is a Haxx0r and used Godmode cheats.

[Bullets McDeath]

ComTrav wrote...

"Riordan totally did it. Poor guy."

/thread!

Seriously though, this is the perfect defense.

[david46]

"Well you see I was so famished after fighting my way to the ashes that I had a sandwich before I went out to face the false Andraste and practice my dragon killing skills. I must have got some of the ashes on my hands while filling the pouch and transferred them to the sandwich. I sure felt strange after eating it, really strange. So with the ashes in my system they probably clashed with the old god and destroyed him. The Maker had his own plan for killing it. Why?, ask Him not me. So you can take your suspicions and accusations and stuff the up your Chantry where they belong."

Modifié par david46, 10 janvier 2010 - 07:21 .

[TheMadCat]

outlaworacle wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

"Riordan totally did it. Poor guy."

/thread!

Seriously though, this is the perfect defense.

Not really, kind obvious to tell a man died falling several hundred feet. Unless you tell them you never liked the guy and decided to toss his corpse off the tower.

[TheMadCat]

There is no set time for Blights to happen, they simply happen whenever the Darkspawn manage to find and taint an old God. Could be 5 years, could be 5,000 years.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

If I asked, I'd just bring Sandal along, point to him, and shrug helplessly.



"Enchantment?"

[Bhatair]

"No, you don't understand. There was a fourth Grey Warden who slew the Archdemon. Red Herring was his name."

[Bullets McDeath]

TheMadCat wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

"Riordan totally did it. Poor guy."

/thread!

Seriously though, this is the perfect defense.

Not really, kind obvious to tell a man died falling several hundred feet. Unless you tell them you never liked the guy and decided to toss his corpse off the tower.

Well, I assume a funeral was held for him. Not much chance for them see his body. Besides, maybe he fell of the roof of Fort Drakon after he absorbed the essence of the Archdemon.

[MorningBird]

TheMadCat wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

"Riordan totally did it. Poor guy."

/thread!

Seriously though, this is the perfect defense.

Not really, kind obvious to tell a man died falling several hundred feet. Unless you tell them you never liked the guy and decided to toss his corpse off the tower.

Actually, it is plausible.

First of all, Riordan's plan to confront the Archdemon alone is shared only with the PC and their party.  Nobody else knows that he's planning to climb to the top of a tower to leap onto the Archdemon's back...

Furthermore, Riordan was completely alone when he decided to jump the Archdemon, and high enough up that anyone fighting on the ground would see him as little more than a dot in the sky.  The PC knows it's Riordan falling to his death, and not some nameless soldier, because they're aware of his plan.  The rest of the Ferelden army wouldn't.

Thirdly, Falling from such a great height, Riordan was probably little more than a greasy smear on the pavement when he finally hit the ground.  As we never see his body in the cutscene, the writers have complete leeway to say that he was 'unrecognizable' enough to pass as just another soldier's corpse by the rest of the army.

Fourthly, if there's 20 Darkspawn charging you with swords raised high, you're not going to allow yourself to get too distracted by what's happening overhead.  Those that did see Riordan fall are likely long dead with Darkspawn daggers in their back because they took their eyes off the enemy that was right in front of them.

Finally, Riordan isn't some nameless Grey Warden.  I think that it's fairly safe to say that he's well known within the order, and considering how he tore that Archdemon's wing open, a capable fighter.  If you said he landed the killing blow, there's really no reason for anyone to believe otherwise based off of what Riordan said before the fight and his actions during the battle and his general capabilities.

I'm sure there's more reasons as to why he is an effective scapegoat, but eh. xD

[TheMadCat]

Couple of good points, but nowhere near as interesting or drama filled.

[MorningBird]

TheMadCat wrote...

Couple of good points, but nowhere near as interesting or drama filled.

lol, see, I'm hoping there will be a drama option if you tell the TRUTH and that the "Riordan did it!" scapegoat dialog option is more something that needs to pass a pursuation check.

Like:

How are you still alive?

1) (lie) Riordan landed the killing blow.
2) (threaten) YOUR MOM!
3) My dog ate the Archdemon.
4) I had sexy time with a Witch of the Wild's and her baby now carries the soul of the Archdemon--but don't worry, she promised me the child would be born without the taint! =D

As for what would happen to you if you told the truth... they may just administer you a slap on the wrist, because regardless as to whether or not you accepted the dark ritual, the fact remains that at the end of the game you're a national hero.

Killing you would be more problematic than allowing you to live and rebuild the Order in Ferelden.

Modifié par MorningBird, 10 janvier 2010 - 08:11 .

[Thoron Draugohtar]

woah.....



Warden: "But Riordan DID do it....eh Alistair?"

Alistair: "I thought the flying dogs that raised me flew in at the last moment (like in flash gordon) and totally kicked darkspawn but....after this we found out that they had their own order of greywardens and had actually recruited this here wardens dog....That brave pooch saved Fereldans but if you ask me...poor mangy mut."



Senior warden: O.o......"I'm going to have to ask you to write a report...."



Alistair+Warden: "Dang"

[sillymonkboy]

"Well, its like this...

"I was a new Warden, less than a day Joined, with noone around to give me guidance or instruction.  The only other Warden in the entire country was a pansy-*ss little b*tch who deferred every single decision to me.  I did the best I could with what I had and I didn't see any of you around or even lifting a finger to help.  So, as I see it, you have two choices:  You can either shut the f*ck up about it and make contingency plans so my situation doesn't happen again in the future, or you can find out why I was considered the most skilled warrior in Highever and why Duncan chose me..."

Modifié par sillymonkboy, 10 janvier 2010 - 08:52 .

[Sunthas]

4 endings with lots of variations right?
I noticed Alistair is in the scenes for the expansion, so I guess Anora didn't have him executed after all.

• Dark Ritual (no one dies)
• Logain Dies
• Alistair Dies
• You Die

1, 3, and 4 are all problematic for the expansion. Ofcourse the talking darkspawn could be your kid, but Alistair appears to have not aged.

• If you did the ritual, you can claim ignorance, probably if Alistair did it you both can claim ignorance.
• If you sacrificed yourself... how did you get to the expansion?
• If Alistair sacrificed himself... how did he get to the expansion?

Modifié par Sunthas, 10 janvier 2010 - 08:29 .

[sillymonkboy]

MorningBird wrote...

Thirdly, Falling from such a great height, Riordan was probably little more than a greasy smear on the pavement when he finally hit the ground.  As we never see his body in the cutscene, the writers have complete leeway to say that he was 'unrecognizable' enough to pass as just another soldier's corpse by the rest of the army.

As evidenced by more than one skydiver whose chute failed as well as suicides from skyscrapers, the human body retains its shape even when hitting something extremely hard at terminal velocity.  In fact, I recall a pregnant skydiver (Shayna something)  whose chute failed who landed in a parking lot on her face.  She had blood coming from her ears, eyes, nose and mouth and her facial bones were broken, but she was still quite recognizable.  The baby was fine, btw.

[frylock23]

Those talking about the problem of Riordan falling from great heights negating him from killing the AD:



Didn't you all see the explosion that resulted from the AD's death? Absolutely astounding! It completely blew Riordan's cold, dead corpse off the top of that tower ...

[TheMadCat]

1, 3, and 4 are all problematic for the expansion. Ofcourse the talking darkspawn could be your kid, but Alistair appears to have not aged.

Nope, impossible to be your kid. The Architect has been around for a while, his character known in the book The Calling which takes place several years before your characters story.

[MorningBird]

sillymonkboy wrote...

As evidenced by more than one skydiver whose chute failed as well as suicides from skyscrapers, the human body retains its shape even when hitting something extremely hard at terminal velocity.  In fact, I recall a pregnant skydiver (Shayna something)  whose chute failed who landed in a parking lot on her face.  She had blood coming from her ears, eyes, nose and mouth and her facial bones were broken, but she was still quite recognizable.  The baby was fine, btw.

These situations aren't really comparable.

You're thinking of a scenario where you can hold up a 'before' and 'after' picture side-by-side in front of someone's face and have them go, "Oh yeah, they DO look the same!" because yes, as far as side-by-side comparisons go, I'm sure someone would be able to pick out the similarities.

However, to my knowledge, they have yet to develop photography in Ferelden, and our memories do not work half as well as you may think.

If you barely knew Riordan--who spend most of his time locked up in Howe's basement--and then saw his face broken and bloodied on the ground, but "mostly intact" beside what must amount to hundreds of other corpses wearing the same armor--are you really going to stop and think, "Hey, this guy's that Grey Warden dude I met all of once!  My, his face is remarkably intact!"

Fact is, Riordan wasn't in Ferelden (freely) all that long, and didn't associate with many people due to the Grey Wardens having an astounding amount of hidden enemies.  The average Joe soldier would not be able to recognize his broken face from the next guy in this circumstance.

If more people skydived during medieval battles with dragons, magic, failing chutes and no photography, I think you'd find all of this to be pretty true.

Modifié par MorningBird, 10 janvier 2010 - 09:06 .

[MorningBird]

double post, sorry!

Modifié par MorningBird, 10 janvier 2010 - 09:06 .

[sillymonkboy]

MorningBird wrote...

sillymonkboy wrote...

As evidenced by more than one skydiver whose chute failed as well as suicides from skyscrapers, the human body retains its shape even when hitting something extremely hard at terminal velocity.  In fact, I recall a pregnant skydiver (Shayna something)  whose chute failed who landed in a parking lot on her face.  She had blood coming from her ears, eyes, nose and mouth and her facial bones were broken, but she was still quite recognizable.  The baby was fine, btw.

These situations aren't really comparable.

You're thinking of a scenario where you can hold up a 'before' and 'after' picture side-by-side in front of someone's face and have them go, "Oh yeah, they DO look the same!" because yes, as far as side-by-side comparisons go, I'm sure someone would be able to pick out the similarities.

However, to my knowledge, they have yet to develop photography in Ferelden, and our memories do not work half as well as you may think.

If you barely knew Riordan--who spend most of his time locked up in Howe's basement--and then saw his face broken and bloodied on the ground, but "mostly intact" beside what must amount to hundreds of other corpses wearing the same armor--are you really going to stop and think, "Hey, this guy's that Grey Warden dude I met all of once!  My, his face is remarkably intact!"

Fact is, Riordan wasn't in Ferelden (freely) all that long, and didn't associate with many people due to the Grey Wardens having an astounding amount of hidden enemies.  The average Joe soldier would not be able to recognize his broken face from the next guy in this circumstance.

If more people skydived during medieval battles with dragons, magic, failing chutes and no photography, I think you'd find all of this to be pretty true.

I wasn't referring to random people being able to recognize who Riordan is/was, but rather the comment that Riordan would have been a 'greasy smear'.  My point was that he would have still been a recognizable human being even if you did not know who he was.

[Sarethus]

Seriously guys the PC could just say that he doesn't know why he lived and instead turn it around and ask them that question. "Hey Riordan said I would die if I swung the killing blow, yet I'm alive. Not that I'm complaining but you guys sure about all your facts?" and watch while they try to figure it out.

[likeorasgod]

MorningBird wrote...

LostScout wrote...

Since Blights get stronger the longer they go on, and there are only 3 gray wardens available at the start of the battle, I don't think the senior gray wardens would have a problem with your hedging your bets. As a new gray warden you did the best you could to ensure success and end a blight early. Or, you could truthfully tell them that it was Dog. He was tainted, wasn't a soulless darkspawn, and in at least one of my playthroughs was the one who actually put down the archdemon (never mind the propaganda cutscene about me with a sword which was put out by my publicity department). To further strengthen my argument, dog is nowhere to be found in the aftermath. There might be a dog who looks like him at the coronation, but it won't talk to me, so it can't be my faithfull hound.

... THIS.

I hope to god that's a speech option! xD

Grey Wadens: What happened to the Archdemon?
PC: My Dog ATE him.

THE END.

I still see Dog as anouther grey warden in the party.

Though truethfully why would any one question the only liveing Greywardens that just killed an Archdemon?  I mean your now the badiest of the bad.   You KILLED AN ARCHDEMON?   Just one glance and the  other greywardens should coward at your feet.

Oh and something that got me thinking.  On one of my playthroughs I did the dark ritual, but I didn't bring Morgain with me so she was like, "Aftger all we did your not takeing me?"  But me and Al still lived, but she wasn't there for the absorbing of the old god thing....so what happen to the old god soul and such?  LOL she got knocked up without the extra goodies.

[vaesapiens]

"The dieing thing was a placebo effect, I cracked it"