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[Bullets McDeath]

Sarethus wrote...

Seriously guys the PC could just say that he doesn't know why he lived and instead turn it around and ask them that question. "Hey Riordan said I would die if I swung the killing blow, yet I'm alive. Not that I'm complaining but you guys sure about all your facts?" and watch while they try to figure it out.

That's a good point. Considering the last blight was 400 years ago, none of them would know for sure, they would essentially be basing that belief on hearsay.

In the end, there are alot of possible outs but it depends on what they allow us to do in the story.

[Topaz Bee]

"A witch did it."

[MorningBird]

sillymonkboy wrote...

I wasn't referring to random people being able to recognize who Riordan is/was, but rather the comment that Riordan would have been a 'greasy smear'.  My point was that he would have still been a recognizable human being even if you did not know who he was.

*smacks forehead* But that was only a figure of speech! xD  You didn't NEED to clarify that!

Modifié par MorningBird, 10 janvier 2010 - 09:58 .

[Tirigon]

You don´t see the truth.



You can simply let Sten explain:



Warden: Why did noone die?

Sten: The Archdemon is a dragon, dragons are female, and female fighters are a lie. Therefore, the Archdemon is a lie. Kadan doesn´t die because of a lie.

Warden: Ehm... right, I see.

Sten: Good.



Problem solved.

[Rovay]

outlaworacle wrote...
That's a good point. Considering the last blight was 400 years ago, none of them would know for sure, they would essentially be basing that belief on hearsay.

But isn't there a special mausoleum designed specificaly to hold Gray Wardens who sacrificed their lives by slaying the Archdemon? The PC is buried there, among other four Archdemon slayers in Epilogue (that is, if the ritual option was not chosen of course). I think Grey Wardens would be sure about the neccesary sacrifice, they would just have to look at the bodies there.

[sillymonkboy]

MorningBird wrote...

sillymonkboy wrote...

I wasn't referring to random people being able to recognize who Riordan is/was, but rather the comment that Riordan would have been a 'greasy smear'.  My point was that he would have still been a recognizable human being even if you did not know who he was.

*smacks forehead* But that was only a figure of speech! xD  You didn't NEED to clarify that!

Yes, I did.  Your figure of speech implies that noone, under any circumstances, would be able to identify Riodan or determine whether he had struck the final blow and died in the tradional manner.

I don't disagree that Riordan makes a good scapegoat when explaining the situation to a group of people who were over a thousand miles away and have no reliable way to decern the truth in a primitive technological setting.  In fact, I agree.  What I do disagree with is spreading misinformation and then being patronizing and dismissive when someone calls you on it.

[Valkeyr]

LostScout wrote...

Since Blights get stronger the longer they go on, and there are only 3 gray wardens available at the start of the battle, I don't think the senior gray wardens would have a problem with your hedging your bets. As a new gray warden you did the best you could to ensure success and end a blight early. Or, you could truthfully tell them that it was Dog. He was tainted, wasn't a soulless darkspawn, and in at least one of my playthroughs was the one who actually put down the archdemon (never mind the propaganda cutscene about me with a sword which was put out by my publicity department). To further strengthen my argument, dog is nowhere to be found in the aftermath. There might be a dog who looks like him at the coronation, but it won't talk to me, so it can't be my faithfull hound.

Rovay wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...
That's a
good point. Considering the last blight was 400 years ago, none of them
would know for sure, they would essentially be basing that belief on
hearsay.

But isn't there a special mausoleum
designed specificaly to hold Gray Wardens who sacrificed their lives by
slaying the Archdemon? The PC is buried there, among other four
Archdemon slayers in Epilogue (that is, if the ritual option was not
chosen of course). I think Grey Wardens would be sure about
the neccesary sacrifice, they would just have to look at the bodies
there.../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png

My dog ate the archdemon. It bit at the archdemons ankles until it tripped and died!
Please build a nice tomb with a statue for it and bring it bones to its tomb everyday!


And thus the legend of Cuddles the Archdemon slayer was born..

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Don't the wardens know, what happens in Ferelden, stays in Ferelden

Way I see it, the taint would no doubt be gone from the body of the dead warden, so in the case of the ritual, just drag any joe black from the roof of the fort (remember there was all them soldiers that got killed just as the warden got there) and claim they had been made into a warden. Issue resolved.

[MatronAdena]

Riordan making the killing blow IS completely true........from a certain point of view....



he did after all confront the archdemon and wound it greatly...forcing it to crash to the top of the tower, and eventually meet it's death.



Now... had Riordan not done what he would have done, getting to the demon would have been more costly, and perhaps it may have even been able to escape, who knows....



but the point is, the death of the archdemon would not have been possible in this case had it not been for the actions of Riordan...



and so, it was he who sealed the fate of the demon... and with in that was the true cause of death...



from a certain point of view



awh yes, the Obi-Wan defense.

[MorningBird]

sillymonkboy wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

*smacks forehead* But that was only a figure of speech! xD  You didn't NEED to clarify that!

Yes, I did.  Your figure of speech implies that noone, under any circumstances, would be able to identify Riodan or determine whether he had struck the final blow and died in the tradional manner.

I don't disagree that Riordan makes a good scapegoat when explaining the situation to a group of people who were over a thousand miles away and have no reliable way to decern the truth in a primitive technological setting.  In fact, I agree.  What I do disagree with is spreading misinformation and then being patronizing and dismissive when someone calls you on it.

*sigh* I'm not being patronizing or dismissive, I'm just completely and utterly surprised that someone would take something so LITERALLY, even on the internet, especially since the phrase 'greasy smear' is fairly COMMON.

Examples are: "I'm going to punch him so hard, he'll be nothing more than a greasy smear on the ground when I'm through with him!"

And: "He hit the ground so hard, he was nothing more than a greasy smear when they found him!"

Both are used to illustrate a situation without being taken for their literal meaning (as it is as imposible to LITERALLY beat someone into a 'greasy smear' with your bare fists as it is to 'turn into a greasy smear' fom falling from a great height...)

So for a situation where someone is jumping off a TALL tower and hitting a HARD floor, this figure of speech is appropriate.

In case you're unaware, the definition of 'a figure of speech' is "language used in a figurative or non-literal sense."

Note the "NON-LITERAL."

If you've never heard the term 'greasy smear on the ground', fair enough, you have a reason for taking it literally.  However, just because you 'missed the point' doesn't mean anyone was spreading 'misinformation'. Otherwise there are millions of authors out their spreading slander and lies that need your immediate attention.

Modifié par MorningBird, 12 janvier 2010 - 06:20 .

[Vicious]

Loghain pretty much says in the epilogue that he intends to keep his mouth shut.

Personally if the other GW's have a problem with it, they can blow me.

I'd happily say Riordan dealt the final blow, if there weren't so many damn witnesses on top of the tower who saw me stab it in the head with some random greatsword.

Modifié par Vicious, 12 janvier 2010 - 06:24 .

[MorningBird]

Vicious wrote...

Loghain pretty much says in the epilogue that he intends to keep his mouth shut.

Personally if the other GW's have a problem with it, they can blow me.

I'd happily say Riordan dealt the final blow, if there weren't so many damn witnesses on top of the tower who saw me stab it in the head with some random greatsword.

lol, when I fought the Archdemon, I didn't know I was still able to summon the troops... so I didn't >.>  and seeing as how there was no one there to voluntarily help me in the fight, there were no witnesses in my game! =D

[ozenglish]

I am taking Duncan's Beard saved us route. not in a single playthrough have I sacrificed myself so far. I am going to have to do it sooner or later, but having leliana crying over my remains just breaks my blackened PC's heart lol.



Hmm, killing ones' self is such a hard thing to do at the best of times.

[Asylumer]

Wardens: "So how is it that you're not dead?"

PC: "Oh, I did die."

Wardens: "You.. did die? You look alive to us."

PC: "...I got better."

[MorningBird]

Asylumer wrote...

Wardens: "So how is it that you're not dead?"
PC: "Oh, I did die."
Wardens: "You.. did die? You look alive to us."
PC: "...I got better."

... You win.  That is all. *claps*

[BloodRaith]

Kalfear wrote...
So Bioware themselves saying in press release you can use a saved character or roll a new Warden from neighboring Orlay is called a RUMOR now?

Wow, seems like if its not on Wiki you cant convince anyone of anything anymore! Kinda sad really!

I read this in Loghain's voice... then I noticed your avatar image.