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[iorveth1271]

I personally dislike Ashley for three things, really.

First, the HUGE distrust she shows against Shepard after ME1. IMO, that was going way too far. Shepard worked together with her for a while, saved her ass on Eden Prime, and - considering she lives in ME2+3 - chose her on Virmire. Now that s/he's been with a human supremacist organization that tried to help the human colonies in the Terminus and recognized the threat the Collectors posed, all of which should have been things she should actually be supporting considering some of her xeno-"cautious" statements in ME1, she still doesn't trust you, despite the fact you show up with two aliens by your side, going even further by calling them human supremacist. And even when killing dozens of Cerberus soldiers without a blink, she doesn't stop bickering. Sorry, but she just went over the line. Her statement if she ends up dying on the Citadel that she hopes the Reapers send you straight to hell did not help my already negative opinion of her at all.

Second, I didn't like her attitude towards alien members of the crew in ME1 already, at all. I can understand a bit of distrust, but she just did not like the fact of non-humans on an Alliance ship that wouldn't even exist if not for the Turians at the very least considering its design. Her constant hostility towards Liara and her frequent mentioning how little she trusts non-humans just annoyed me personally.

And lastly, her story itself did just not spark my interest at all. There was literally nothing that incited curiosity for me about her. She more often than not ended up either being left down on the lower decks and ignored, as I did with Allers, whom I took with me solely for the War Asset rating, or her dialogue skipped through as quickly as I could. I was usually when talking to her either just annoyed by her attitude, or bored. Her looks, especially in ME1, and the voice acting, which I personally didn't "love" either, just made it worse.

For me, she was, like Allers in ME3, a waste of perfectly good space on the Normandy.

[thehomeworld]

People wrongly believe she is a racist because her view points represent someone who isn't around aliens 100% of the time sure she learned about them in school but spent how many years away from all that? She's for the people not into sci fi but who picked up ME because that space game looks cool so yeah she like them wouldn't be able to tell the aliens from the animals if that's a racist statement and its not then you'd have several people who thought that before she ever said it. I thought the first Elcor I saw was some giant beast that was going to eat me until I found others on my second playthrough who were talking.

Ash being distrustful of the unvetted aliens on the ship that have free reign is legit even if they don't do anything harmful Adams as people seem to forget had more issues then that but I've never heard of anyone claiming he was a racist and he wanted them off the ship precisely because they were aliens. There are aliens in ME that are pure racist towards humans yet no one seems to care about the fact those aliens are racist towards shep and other npcs, Javik is an active racist yet no one hates him on that love the selectivism here.

There is a trend in the world that is further promoted on TV and in media that its cool to hate anyone preceived as Christians which are white people who say they believe in God so if you get A + B put together people are being trained to hate them so they're actively being religiphobes if not hate mongers I'd say racist but that only applies to someone who says all white people are Christians and I hate them. So basically if people hate her because she mentions she believes in God then thats their issue they need to deal with.

I can see people not liking her because she won't join shep after calling him a terrorist w/o evidence to the fact but that's the only legit claim they've got.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 13 février 2013 - 05:47 .

[dragonslaya]

the writers clearly didn't mean for her to join the normandy after the coup attempt.

lots of dialogue for her in the first half of the game, and then after that she just disappears.

[Isichar]

1. She is too self righteous
2. You do NOT question Shepard. She really should have learned this in ME1 really. And dont give me that "She had plenty of good reason to be sus-" NUUUUUUUUUUUHAH you do NOT question Shepard!

[Silvair]

Here's how it goes for me.

1) Only female I liked was Tali, because the alternates were the xenophobic b**** and the glossy eyed art major who always seems kinda high, so she got on my nerves more than anything else.

ME2) Only females I liked were Tali, Chambers, and Kasumi. Tali was who I wanted to romance since the first game for the above reasons, so I went with her over Chambers, and Kasumi is not an option. Alternatives being Ashley split into two characters (The aggressive hostile Jack and the racist Miranda), so I didn't like EITHER of them.

ME3. Only female I like is Tali because we've come full circle to ME1's issues, since the only females are again, Tali, Ashley, and Liara, only with Liara swapping out "high as a kite" for "cold and distant". (not counting EDI for obvious reasons).

So my original reason for liking tali in ME2 is because the alternatives are "Grrr i'm a soldier" and "grrr i'm a b****". Ashley is BOTH of those, so I really don't like her.

[RenatoDep]

She is too b*tchy...way too b*tchy, I didn't think twice in Virmire to let her die.

[KiwiQuiche]

Because of how Bioware utterly butchered her in ME3 for teh sexy.

Yeah no. Take it away and give me ME1 Ash, please.

[BronzTrooper]

Ashley is actually the last female character I have romanced with a male Shepard (as Paragon at least). I like her because she is always ready for a fight but, she isn't my favorite female character. I don't think she is ugly but, Miranda and Liara have her beat in the looks category (IMO). Some of her dialogue in ME1 --when you are romancing her-- is pretty surprising. Here's my list of my favorite female characters in order from most liked to least liked:

Tali
Liara
Kasumi
EDI and Samara (it was a tie)
Miranda (DAT ASS!)
Jack
Ashley
Dr.Chakwas
Engineer Gabby
Samantha Traynor
Kelly Chambers

Modifié par Gamer072196, 14 février 2013 - 07:50 .

[Bob Garbage]

I like Ashley in ME1 as a renegade LI, and she's actually a million times more appealing once you've romanced her IMO. But she is absolutely terrible in ME3, and not the same character as far as I can tell. Her appearance change is so, so bad. I basically let her die on Virmire in all my play throughs now because of it. ME1 Ashley deserves a good death.

Modifié par Bob Garbage, 14 février 2013 - 01:06 .

[Slayer299]

+1000 for KiwiQuiche's comment.

Also people complain that Ash is too "ugly" before her glamorization in ME3.

[FOX216BC]

Ahh the good old Phoenix armor i hope BioWare put's in the next  Alternate Appearance Pack. If they going the do one that is.

Modifié par FOX216BC, 14 février 2013 - 03:52 .

[knightnblu]

1. She is xenophobic
2. Fair point
3. She was your lover in ME1, she rode with you the whole way, she stood with you against the Alliance and the Council, and of all people she should have known you the best. She walked over I don't know how many corpses on Horizon to call you a traitor. She's the poster girl for "my grandpa was mistreated by the Alliance!!" and yet she does the exact same thing to you. She abandons you to your cell and won't have anything to do with you despite having claimed to love you. Worse, BioWare NEVER allows you to take it to her behind for her stupidity. Nope, you just have to kiss her back side and make nice and allow her to get over her crazy. Not me. I put a boot in her rump as I send her to Hackett. I just wish that BioWare would let me tell her what I really think.

[Iakus]

Okay I can't take it anymore:

1)  She's nationalist.  In the future the difference between that and xenophobic may blur a little, but she doesn't see aliens as inferior to humans.  She simply distrusts those who may not have humanity's best interests at heart.  That includes those who may take orders from alien governments and organizations, or who sell their loyalty to the highest bidder.  She doesn't trust the Council, but then she doesn't trust politicians in genreral (they look after themselves first, after all) in addition she distrusts organizations like Cerberus and Terra Firma, who again, are more self-serving than looking out fro humanity's interests.  If you actually listen to her, she shows a great deal of compassion for individuals, even aliens.  Just less so for organizations.

2) Ash had good reason not to trust Shepard.  He/she has been dead for two years, and Cerberus has done the Enkindlers-know-what  to the body.  I thoroughly disliked how Ash called Shepard a traitor on Horizon, and I'm glad that seems to have been quietly retconned away given the conversations on Mars.  Also helps that if you go back to Anderson after Horizon she does, in fact, back up Shepard's story of the Collectors.  But Ash still has plenty of reason to be suspicious.  TIM is definitely a Chessmaster who may still be manipulating Shepard even after rejoining the Alliance.  Would he so easily let a valuable resource like Shepard go?  The recordings at Cronos Base tell us that it's only because of EDI that Shepard managed to escape TIM's clutches.

3 Trust?  "All right, skipper.  Udina, step away from the console"  There's your trust.

Modifié par iakus, 14 février 2013 - 04:41 .

[Bob Garbage]

I agree that she is what we would call a nationalist, and not xenophobic. And really, renegade Shepard is much the same in ME1. Which is a far more believable Shepard considering how new humans are to the galactic community.

[lordhugorune]

Only thing I liked about her in ME1 was that she was tough and could handle her weaponry. The three times I've played through Virmire, she's never survived it, I figure she can go to a better place and all that.

[CynicalShep]

RenatoDep wrote...

She is too b*tchy...way too b*tchy, I didn't think twice in Virmire to let her die.

Given your avatar there might have been an additional reason or two to let her die on Virmire. Amrite?

[AdmiralCheez]

Ashley was a very believable, very human character...

... in ME1.

[darthnick427]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ashley was a very believable, very human character...

... in ME1.

Well her ME1 writer quit after ME2 so it certainly makes sense she's not enjoyable in ME3 really.

[FOX216BC]

www.youtube.com/watch 

[TheRealJayDee]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Because of how Bioware utterly butchered her in ME3 for teh sexy.

Yeah no. Take it away and give me ME1 Ash, please.

Yes, please!

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ashley was a very believable, very human character...

... in ME1.

And that's what was a huge part of her appeal for many Ash fans, and it's also what Bioware seemingly didn't get at all when making ME3. The endless discussions about her views and believes we had and have show what depth the character had.

Sad thing is that they definitely succeeded in reaching some "new Ash fans" with their approach, who didn't understand how anyone could like her before Bioware's design team finally injected her with some sex appeal. It's sad, really...

[Made Nightwing]

Because player egos are as soft and delicate as a newborn baby.

Consider Spec Ops: The Line. Right up until the end, most players thought that their character was still a hero. It's not until the reveal that you realise you were playing a weak-willed, half psychotic monster for most of the game.

Shepard worked with terrorists. No ifs, ands or buts. To work with Cerberus is to further their goals, meet their aims, and aid their work. He was a traitor in every sense of the word. Worse still, he was a traitor who denied his treason. To me, this shows Shepard is just weak, unable to face up to what he is doing. Consider this, if Shepard had just gone back to the Alliance and the Council, got his Spectre status reinstated, and then gone after the Collectors the right way, Cerberus would never have gotten their hands on Collector/Cerberus tech. That means we wouldn't have had to fight them in ME3, hundreds of thousands of innocent people wouldn't have been turned into mindless cannon fodder, and most importantly, we would have had more time to refine the Crucible, talk some sense into the Catalyst and avoid the endings. Pipe dream, I know, but the facts remain:

Cerberus in ME3 is entirely Shepard's fault. Destroyed base, or non-destroyed, he gift wrapped Cerberus the Reaper IFF codes they needed to get there and salvage it. Players hate Ashley becaue she was right.

And knightblu, I clearly remember you saying over and over again that you used to love Ash, so her 'xenophobia' was clearly not an issue for you.

[wright1978]

I think Ashley is a well written, pretty consistent character but not one either me or most of my Sheps have much affinity or closeness to. Someone who if it wasn't for the events of ME1 where they were thrown together would have any connection whatsover.

[The Night Mammoth]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Shepard worked with terrorists. No ifs, ands or buts. To work with Cerberus is to further their goals, meet their aims, and aid their work. He was a traitor in every sense of the word. Worse still, he was a traitor who denied his treason. To me, this shows Shepard is just weak, unable to face up to what he is doing. Consider this, if Shepard had just gone back to the Alliance and the Council, got his Spectre status reinstated, and then gone after the Collectors the right way, Cerberus would never have gotten their hands on Collector/Cerberus tech. 

If Shepard had done that the Collector's would have succeeded, or Cerberus would have won without Shepard. 

So I'm pretty okay if that somehow makes Shepard a traitor. 

It doesn't, but fine. 

[Raikas]

darthnick427 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ashley was a very believable, very human character...

... in ME1.

Well her ME1 writer quit after ME2 so it certainly makes sense she's not enjoyable in ME3 really.

Yeah, but Kaidan had a different writer as well and didn't end up acting like a different character in the end.

I liked Ash in 1 - she said some iffy stuff, but I thought that was realistic.  But she came off so differently in ME3 that she might as well have been a new character entirely - that plus the hair in her face and the crazy promotion made me edit my saves to swap VSes after my first playthough.

[noxpanda]

I really liked her in ME1, sure she was a bit ****y now and then, but she was damn funny sometimes too. I dont like all the chars to be sunshine and rainbows, so she worked well i thought.

But in ME3 her writing was really bad, all the humour was gone. I took her one quite a few missions and she just came across as ****y. The makeover and her dwelling constantly in one room on the normandy didnt help. It also seemed like a lot of her 'scene' convos revolved around her sister, which was a little dull. Such a shame.