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[farhansdisplayname]

So I just watched Star Wars for the first time (Episodes I and II only so far). I can definitely see the inspiration that BioWare got from the Star Wars universe. There are many similarities just with different names in each universe. But here is the thing: I'm actually not liking Star Wars as much as Mass Effect. Hardcore SciFi/Space opera fans, is it blasphemous of me to like ME better? Because I learned more about the ME universe in ME1 than I learned about the SW universe in the first two episodes. For example, in SW I see aliens walking around with no info regarding their biology/culture like we get in ME. But maybe this isn't a fair comparison after all, because the SW films don't come with a codex that ME comes with. Because of both being completely different mediums.

I respect SW for the inspiration it gave to ME, but I think ME takes it to a new, higher level. Would I be a lone weirdo in holding this opinion?

[JDee3]

Watch the original trilogy of Star Wars then judge. The original is much better than the new ones. Star Wars has a much better expanded universe than Mass Effect but ME is new to the game.. it's not looking good for them though because they started off with a it's the players choice and there is no cannon story kinda thing.. and it's kinda hard to see any stories past the ending. ME1 may almost be better than Star Wars in my opinion because of it's realistic feel and just how everything was introduced but ME2 & 3.. eh

Edit:
Star Wars will probably live longer than Mass Effect

Modifié par JDee3, 11 février 2013 - 07:14 .

[NRieh]

So I just watched Star Wars for the first time (Episodes I and II only so far)

Could you PLEASE unsee it and start from ep.4, as most of the humanity did?...

Also could use "new order" - 4,5,2,3,6. Note - NO ep.1!

[bboynexus]

While I appreciate the impact Star Wars had on pop culture and filmmaking in general, I don't think it's anywhere near as good as most people make it out to be. It's a husk of universe, really, inhabited by simple archetypal characters devoid of any real substance.

[jancz89]

I liked Star wars as a kid, but I recently watched all 6 episodes and I strugled to watch them to the end, the movies are boring and stupid, I mean the only great thing about star wars is the fanbase, I think episode V is the best star wars movie, probably because lucas had almost nothing to do with it, I am completely serious, the movies and the star wars universe is bad really bad when you grow up, it's for children....
it's not really a science fiction, it's a fairy tale with planets and galaxies

Modifié par jancz89, 11 février 2013 - 08:48 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Episode 4 is, honestly, solidly a b-grade movie. By today's standards. But for the time, the real impact Episode 4 had was twofold. First, the graphics and the painstaking detail, the look; it was a sci-fi movie that looked like it had actually been *lived in*. Nothing was gleaming sleek chrome.

The other part of it was the story. In context... Hollywood had been making "The Man Always Wins" movies for several years, where depressingly corrupt authorities always won against the rebellious, freespirited, protagonists. Or where the 'hero' of the film had to 'go rogue' in order to deliver justice.

Then there's Star Wars: A New Hope. Mostly, it hit the audience with a story where "The Man" *lost*. Where the corrupt and evil authorities *lost* to the rebels. Where the hero of the film *didn't* have to betray his ideals or principles in order to achieve his goal.

At the time, that was the biggest achievement of the movie.

And yes, it is Space Opera.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 11 février 2013 - 09:03 .

[FlamingBoy]

star wars for the most part was made on the fly, and it worked well for the original movies
but my god that new trilogy is an abomination

as for comparing mass effect and starwars:
Star Wars in itself is a good vs evil experience through and through. Its a story about falls, heroes, and redemption/punishment for the villain. To be very specific its a fairy tale in space.
Thats not a bad thing, actually the orginal trilogy pulled it off really well.

As for mass effect they the lines were pretty grey in the first 2, the only evil was the reapers (and geth until mass effect 2) and not a lot was known about them at the time.

Mass effect 3 seems to exist between star wars good and evil and mass effect grey lines to varying degrees of success.

[Siegdrifa]

Well, univers wise, Star Wars strong point is that you can mix many things, from tribal and archaic planet to hyper technologic city, everything fit easly.

I like star wars 4 5 6 since i was a kid but i was never one of those hardcore fan. I did play serval session of the official role playng game book in high school and the experience was terrific, much more than warhammer or magna veritas etc, wich was a surprise for me.

[simonrana]

I always thought Mass Effect borrowed much more from Star Trek than Star Wars myself.

And despite being a huge Star Wars fan I can see where the OP is coming from - if I saw the movies for the first time now as an adult I'd probably think they were pretty terrible. The franchise has got great nostalgia value for those that grew up with it, it was pioneering at the time it was made, and it has fantastically cool ideas. But the dialogue and acting is pretty terrible a lot of the time.

[Vargas78]

This is a new problem that we will see more of in the future. It is a pity.

The new generations will have started watching Star Wars from episode 1. It has the potential to ruin it's awesomeness and hurt the popularity of the saga in the long run. Unless Disney suddenly pulls something awesome out of the bag.

If new generations watched Star Wars in the mindset that it was an awesome classic in space opera movies that has had a massive influence on popular culture, they would prefer it. Instead the first characters that most make their mark are likely to be the buffoon Jar Jar Binks and Anakin 'Yippee!!!' Skywalker, which might be ok if you are 3. But will create a low expectation to maturer or even slightly older audiences.

Modifié par Vargas78, 11 février 2013 - 11:22 .

[Gruntburner]

Dude, if you want to see where Bioware draws much of its inspiration from, check out Battlestar Galactica. So much of geth and the themes surrounding synthetics were pretty much pulled from the show.

[Niholaren]

Mass effect was inspired by many sci-fi series , personally found refferences to Babylon 5 , and even from the Metabarons Comic Saga (all time Favorite)

[NRieh]

The new generations will have started watching Star Wars from episode 1. It has the potential to ruin it's awesomeness and hurt the popularity of the saga in the long run.

Yeah, it IS a problem....If only Lucas had guts and accepted "machete order" as an official recommended "canon"..... *sigh* I know that it's the only way I'm going to show those movies to my kids within a year or two. And that's how I'm going to watch episodes myself.

[Constipator369]

You're not alone. I love SW, but as a very rational person, I love ME even more.

And while SW and ME are 2 different mediums, you should try SW:KotOR once you're done with the movies. ME is it's spiritual successor after all.

[Fredvdp]

Star Wars is a fantasy series that takes place in a scifi settings. Many of its story elements are borrowed from knight stories, fairy tales, and even history (World War II, for instance). I don't see many similarities between Mass Effect and the Star Wars movies*. I think Mass Effect has a lot more in common with Star Trek and older scifi literature.

* Mass Effect has more in common with BioWare's videogame Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. It has a story about an ancient civilization and their advanced technology. It contains more scifi tropes than the Star Wars movies.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 11 février 2013 - 12:44 .

[MstrJedi Kyle]

You really shouldn't judge based on I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

Modifié par DarthKilby, 12 février 2013 - 09:06 .

[PwnedDuck]

jancz89 wrote...

I liked Star wars as a kid, but I recently watched all 6 episodes and I strugled to watch them to the end, the movies are boring and stupid, I mean the only great thing about star wars is the fanbase, I think episode V is the best star wars movie, probably because lucas had almost nothing to do with it, I am completely serious, the movies and the star wars universe is bad really bad when you grow up, it's for children....
it's not really a science fiction, it's a fairy tale with planets and galaxies

Not that this stops its legions of fans from obsessively headcanoning away any inconsistencies where really they could just move on to better stories...

[dreman9999]

Op...Understand this. Their is a bw game called Star wars:Knight of the old republic. It's a great sw rpg...Much of the people form that team, including the game directer of ME, were part of the kotor team.
If you see simular to SW in ME, you're spot on being much of the things they used in ME was learnt and developed when they were making KOTOR(Star wars:Knight of the old republic). ME is the spiritual successor of kotor.

And Yes, I do feel ME is better then the original movies and kotor as a series.

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 février 2013 - 01:36 .

[BluRay]

You can't compare a film with a game.
Yes they are similar,but it's impossible to say wich is better because a game it's obviusly more complete,especially Mass Effect.

[dreman9999]

Fredvdp wrote...

Star Wars is a fantasy series that takes place in a scifi settings. Many of its story elements are borrowed from knight stories, fairy tales, and even history (World War II, for instance). I don't see many similarities between Mass Effect and the Star Wars movies*. I think Mass Effect has a lot more in common with Star Trek and older scifi literature.

* Mass Effect has more in common with BioWare's videogame Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. It has a story about an ancient civilization and their advanced technology. It contains more scifi tropes than the Star Wars movies.

Biotic=Force
mandilorians=krogan
cerberus troopers=storm troopers
Giant spacebattle
Many alien races.

Add, ME has a bunch of simularity to Star trek, battle star gulactic, ender's game, H.P. Lovecraft, Isaac Asimov, Space odyssey 2001 and some hints of dune.

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 février 2013 - 01:35 .

[dreman9999]

ArtuThepig wrote...

You can't compare a film with a game.
Yes they are similar,but it's impossible to say wich is better because a game it's obviusly more complete,especially Mass Effect.

You do know ME is the sprial successor to Kotor...Right?

[dreman9999]

DarthKilby wrote...

You really shouldn't judge based one I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

I know this just a ran tosecond to last place but no way is SW ep 2 worse then SW ep 1.

[Nerevar-as]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Episode 4 is, honestly, solidly a b-grade movie. By today's standards. But for the time, the real impact Episode 4 had was twofold. First, the graphics and the painstaking detail, the look; it was a sci-fi movie that looked like it had actually been *lived in*. Nothing was gleaming sleek chrome.

The other part of it was the story. In context... Hollywood had been making "The Man Always Wins" movies for several years, where depressingly corrupt authorities always won against the rebellious, freespirited, protagonists. Or where the 'hero' of the film had to 'go rogue' in order to deliver justice.

Then there's Star Wars: A New Hope. Mostly, it hit the audience with a story where "The Man" *lost*. Where the corrupt and evil authorities *lost* to the rebels. Where the hero of the film *didn't* have to betray his ideals or principles in order to achieve his goal.

At the time, that was the biggest achievement of the movie.

And yes, it is Space Opera.

It´s about time we get back to that. I´m tired of anti-"heroes" that often feel the way villains did back in the 80s, and grimdark for the sake of it. ME3 endings felt just wrong for that (can´t post spoilers here though).

And skipping Ep I? While avoiding Jar Jar is certainly a pleasant idea, missing Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn isn´t, by far. And let him/her watch them in the order he wants. I feel curious as how he´ll take Ep III ending and the moment in Ep V knowing what´s actually happening.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 11 février 2013 - 03:24 .

[stonbw1]

simonrana wrote...

I always thought Mass Effect borrowed much more from Star Trek than Star Wars myself.

This.  The Reaper and Borg storylines are almost carbon copies of each other. 

The real Star Wars movies were truly great. They crafted a beautiful and engaging story with tiny models, costumes, and Jim Henson muppets. CGI ruined Ep 1-3.  I defy anyone to watch the last scene with Yoda (Ep 6) and not be astounded by how much emotion can be conveyed by a puppet's facial movements. That is thousand times more impressive than some stupid computer animated character.

[Fredvdp]

dreman9999 wrote...

DarthKilby wrote...

You really shouldn't judge based one I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

I know this just a ran tosecond to last place but no way is SW ep 2 worse then SW ep 1.

I think Anakin in episodes I and II is more annoying than Jar Jar in episode I. I think Episode I is the least bad of the prequels.