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[Brovikk Rasputin]

Not a huge SW fan either.

[dreman9999]

Fredvdp wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DarthKilby wrote...

You really shouldn't judge based one I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

I know this just a ran tosecond to last place but no way is SW ep 2 worse then SW ep 1.

I think Anakin in episodes I and II is more annoying than Jar Jar in episode I. I think Episode I is the least bad of the prequels.

Nothing can be worse then Jar Jar...Nothing.  1000 anoying Anakin's are nothing to annoyance to one JarJar.

[MACharlie1]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DarthKilby wrote...

You really shouldn't judge based one I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

I know this just a ran tosecond to last place but no way is SW ep 2 worse then SW ep 1.

I think Anakin in episodes I and II is more annoying than Jar Jar in episode I. I think Episode I is the least bad of the prequels.

Nothing can be worse then Jar Jar...Nothing.  1000 anoying Anakin's are nothing to annoyance to one JarJar.

"Sand is rough and gets everywhere." 

'Nuff said. 

[dreman9999]

MACharlie1 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DarthKilby wrote...

You really shouldn't judge based one I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

I know this just a ran tosecond to last place but no way is SW ep 2 worse then SW ep 1.

I think Anakin in episodes I and II is more annoying than Jar Jar in episode I. I think Episode I is the least bad of the prequels.

Nothing can be worse then Jar Jar...Nothing.  1000 anoying Anakin's are nothing to annoyance to one JarJar.

"Sand is rough and gets everywhere." 

'Nuff said. 

How is that worse then anything Jar Jar said?

[AlanC9]

The new trilogy isn't as bad as people say it is, and the original trilogy wasn't as good as people say it is.

[Vargas78]

AlanC9 wrote...

The new trilogy isn't as bad as people say it is, and the original trilogy wasn't as good as people say it is.

Disagree, the original trilogy was as good as people say it is. Youre probably looking at it through 2013 eyes, without respect to context. If that is the case of course it will look like a B-Movie today. And would also be unoriginal. But back in its release it was something special. Sure, space opera genre long existed in other media and also in film but Star Wars had endearing and well developed characters and was a great adventure set against a great and epic backdrop. The galaxy  it was set in was fascinating as were its heroes and villains. It popularised the genre and even became a part of our popular culture. Mention Luke Skywalker or Chewbacca anywhere and it will be recognised. Unless youre in the rain forest or a remote village in Uzbekistan.

Though i acknowledge it may not be as timeless in its appeal as some people thought/hoped it would be, it will always remain a classic.

Modifié par Vargas78, 11 février 2013 - 09:46 .

[Nerevar-as]

MACharlie1 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DarthKilby wrote...

You really shouldn't judge based one I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

I know this just a ran tosecond to last place but no way is SW ep 2 worse then SW ep 1.

I think Anakin in episodes I and II is more annoying than Jar Jar in episode I. I think Episode I is the least bad of the prequels.

Nothing can be worse then Jar Jar...Nothing.  1000 anoying Anakin's are nothing to annoyance to one JarJar.

"Sand is rough and gets everywhere." 

'Nuff said. 

"Y se te mete por doquier." Sounds much more pathetic. Good thing I can see it on VO (and if you think HC is wooden, you should listen to some dubs).

So? He had Padme in a gown/open back dress by his side and said the first thing that came into his mind. While it was something rather pathetic to say, I can believe he could say that. Is no worse than Leia complaining about dirty hands. Luckily for the OT, Ford can say the most stupid or cruel things ("I know"? Good thing those weren´t Han´s final words to his LI), and still be charismatic.

Jar Jar antics just have no excuse, save for QGJ grabbing his tongue. Pity he didn´t pull it out.

Vargas, I´d say OT (maybe the saga as a whole) is still up to the times. After all, we are back to the grimdark times when actually good people are completely screwed, change sides, abandon the values that make them heroes, lose or give up, and so on. ANH was an answer to that, and it´s still valid. ME could have been a videogame equivalent, and maybe that´s what they sought with those poor excuse of endings, but instead it looks it´ll pass in time as the standard for screweing a story at the last moment. There´s a reason some stories need a happy ending or bittersweet at most, while others need downers. ME wasn´t in the latter category.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 11 février 2013 - 07:36 .

[SpectreSeven]

Gruntburner wrote...

Dude, if you want to see where Bioware draws much of its inspiration from, check out Battlestar Galactica. So much of geth and the themes surrounding synthetics were pretty much pulled from the show.

BSG is definitely one of the biggest influences, I agree

[Khayness]

dreman9999 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DarthKilby wrote...

You really shouldn't judge based one I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

I know this just a ran tosecond to last place but no way is SW ep 2 worse then SW ep 1.

I think Anakin in episodes I and II is more annoying than Jar Jar in episode I. I think Episode I is the least bad of the prequels.

Nothing can be worse then Jar Jar...Nothing.  1000 anoying Anakin's are nothing to annoyance to one JarJar.

"Sand is rough and gets everywhere." 

'Nuff said. 

How is that worse then anything Jar Jar said?

That whole romance subplot is eye-gougingly painful to watch. I'd rather have Jar Jar. No mistake here, he is still awful and annoying.

The only saving grace Ep. II has is; Ewan McGregor, Christopher Lee and Samuel L. Jackson being awesome.

I love Star Wars because it made the Jedi Knight and KotOR games possible (Republic Commando is cool too). It's really not the cornerstone of the sci-fi world, but you can't deny the impact it had on popculture.

Edit: And let's not forget Star Wars came out in 1977 and the new trillogy had to honor its themes which maybe seem outdated and overused to you.

And Star Wars also made Darths & Droids possible too, almost forgot.

Modifié par Khayness, 11 février 2013 - 08:22 .

[Abraham_uk]

farhansdisplayname wrote...

So I just watched Star Wars for the first time (Episodes I and II only so far). I can definitely see the inspiration that BioWare got from the Star Wars universe. There are many similarities just with different names in each universe. But here is the thing: I'm actually not liking Star Wars as much as Mass Effect. Hardcore SciFi/Space opera fans, is it blasphemous of me to like ME better? Because I learned more about the ME universe in ME1 than I learned about the SW universe in the first two episodes. For example, in SW I see aliens walking around with no info regarding their biology/culture like we get in ME. But maybe this isn't a fair comparison after all, because the SW films don't come with a codex that ME comes with. Because of both being completely different mediums.

I respect SW for the inspiration it gave to ME, but I think ME takes it to a new, higher level. Would I be a lone weirdo in holding this opinion?

Star Wars and Mass Effect are in the same genre Space Age. You could also say that Mass Effect was inspired by Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica and Firefly.

In addition you could argue that Red Dead Redemption was inspired by the Spagetti Westerns.

Any stories within the same genre will often (not always) share similiar conventions and settings.

[MrStoob]

Watching the prequels first, hmmmm. I would have recommended 4-6 then the prequels. The prequels are, IMO, little to do with the original vision. And don't get me started on... no, I refuse to even type his name,hehe. SW will always have a place in my heart as the first cinema experience (1st time around, I'm that old hehe) that made me go WOW! I must see more, have more of this. It took another 30 odd years, but now I'm the proud owner of far too many light sabres (9 at last count I think), blasters, Leia on a speeder bike (big one for 9" character, looks groovy on the shelf in my gaming area along with some Portal stuff and whatnot), etc, etc.

SW vs ME came up on another forum just the other day. I still can't decide. I'm aware that SW is probably a little creaky these days and I absolutely love ME, but which is better? Can a parent say which child they prefer?

[oldag07]

Now JJ Abrams just has to direct a Mass Effect movie, and he will be the master of most of the science fiction stories that I love.

[arial]

you just... for the first time.. ever?

wow, you must be pretty young

[SurelyItsJames]

Episodes 1, 2 and 3 don't exist in my headcannon, neither do the special editions. When I wanna watch star wars I watch the original widescreen laserdisc version of the films.

[Mr.House]

Ew ep 1 and 2. Watch 4,5 and 6. They are fantastic(even if the battle of Endor in ep6 was lulz) I vastly prefer SW over ME, plus KOTOR 2 and TOR(SW, agent and trooper storylines) are better then anything ME. There's also some really good books and fantastic characters like Grand Admiral Thrawn.

[Malanek]

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing can be worse then Jar Jar...Nothing.  1000 anoying Anakin's are nothing to annoyance to one JarJar.

Jar-Jar was harmless and unimportant. Anakin was key to the story and the kid in episode 1 was a worse casting mistake than Tom Cruise to play Jack Reacher.

[MrStoob]

The Clone Wars animations are pretty groovy too, the old CN ones as well as the new fancy Dan ones. And the Jedi Knight game series are fun, particularly duelling in MP.

[SurelyItsJames]

Malanek999 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing can be worse then Jar Jar...Nothing.  1000 anoying Anakin's are nothing to annoyance to one JarJar.

Jar-Jar was harmless and unimportant. Anakin was key to the story and the kid in episode 1 was a worse casting mistake than Tom Cruise to play Jack Reacher.

I would have been okay with that, but they made him important in episode 2 by having him be the one to call for a vote to give power to palpatine. Ugh, talking about the prequels makes me sick.

They make a magic potion that makes you forget the prequels when you drink it. It's called bleach.

[Malanek]

SurelyItsJames wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing can be worse then Jar Jar...Nothing.  1000 anoying Anakin's are nothing to annoyance to one JarJar.

Jar-Jar was harmless and unimportant. Anakin was key to the story and the kid in episode 1 was a worse casting mistake than Tom Cruise to play Jack Reacher.

I would have been okay with that, but they made him important in episode 2 by having him be the one to call for a vote to give power to palpatine. Ugh, talking about the prequels makes me sick.

They make a magic potion that makes you forget the prequels when you drink it. It's called bleach.

I actually liked that bit. Palpatine manipulated the weak minded to achieve his goal of galactic war.

[macrocarl]

Star Wars is pretty bad - the new ones pretty much ruin the entire franchise.... although I still dig 1V and V, mostly. You should see the holiday special it's on youtube. But only watch it if you want your face to melt

[Han Shot First]

There is nothing wrong with liking Mass Effect better. Perhaps you just prefer Sci Fi to Fantasy.

While Star Wars is set in space and includes some elements from Sci Fi, it is actually more of a Fantasy epic than a Sci Fi one. At its heart it is basically a story of a clash between good and evil wizards.

[farhansdisplayname]

Those that can't believe that I just watched SW for the first time: Yes, I'm a quarter of a century old and watched it for the first time. People look at me like I'm an alien or something when I tell them I never watched SW (well... until now.).

Why did I choose to watch in the prequels first? Because I knew nothing of the SW universe and a self-professed SW fan told me that I should watch it in that order. Reading your responses now, I regret starting with the prequels.

I HATED Jar Jar Binks in episode I and I wished he'd get killed or something. But in episode II, I thought "Jar Jar is an angel compared to this Anakin kid." Why? Because in episode II, Anakin is ready to let go of the Jedi code just to follow his wet dream. (RESPECT to Samara! She held on to her code seriously). I CHEERED when Dooku chopped Anakin's hand off. Queen Amidala is another character I disliked. She KNOWS that Anakin has feelings for her, she TELLS Anakin that he is creeping her out and then she CONTINUES to wear sexy, skintight and open back dresses that attract Anakin even more.

Complaining aside, QG Jinn I really liked. Obi-Wan was good too (especially in episode II). Yoda is probably my favourite character so far. And being a huge LOTR fan, I was shocked and got super excited to see Christopher Lee, I had no idea he was in it.

And thanks. I'll have to check out all the other series mentioned here. Star Trek is next on the list after SW.

Modifié par farhansdisplayname, 12 février 2013 - 06:38 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Space Opera is a different genre from Science Fiction. There's been.. maybe.. two science fiction movies that have actually been made; 2001: A Space Oddesy and the sequel, 2010.

There have been *many* Space Opera films. Star Trek. Battlestar Galactica. Buck Rogers. Star Wars. Mass Effect. They're all solidly Space Opera. Mass Effect started out *closer* to science fiction, but with ME 2 and then ME 3, they're clearly not science fiction anymore.