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[TurianRebel212]

farhansdisplayname wrote...

So I just watched Star Wars for the first time (Episodes I and II only so far). I can definitely see the inspiration that BioWare got from the Star Wars universe. There are many similarities just with different names in each universe. But here is the thing: I'm actually not liking Star Wars as much as Mass Effect. Hardcore SciFi/Space opera fans, is it blasphemous of me to like ME better? Because I learned more about the ME universe in ME1 than I learned about the SW universe in the first two episodes. For example, in SW I see aliens walking around with no info regarding their biology/culture like we get in ME. But maybe this isn't a fair comparison after all, because the SW films don't come with a codex that ME comes with. Because of both being completely different mediums.

I respect SW for the inspiration it gave to ME, but I think ME takes it to a new, higher level. Would I be a lone weirdo in holding this opinion?

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How old are you? You've never seen starwars?!?! 

WTF.


Seriously? I've never met anyone who hasnt seen Star Wars. I'm 23. 

[gw2005]

lol this is awesome. I myself just began to revisit starwars movies a few days ago as well.

just one comparison that will make my experience to you very obvious: Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones. The car chase scene where anakin and obiwan is chasing the assasin that set some worm to kill padme - aside from the obvious comparison between the star wars flying cars and mass effect, the entire car action sequence is analogous to the car chase scene with shepard and liara in LotSB DLC. Even the opening in the building where the cars go through are the same.

Aside from the visual, even the tone and topic of conversation is comparable. obiwan telling anakin to stop being suicidal while anakin is obviously enjoying the thrill and even teasing his master about him not liking flying. While in LofSB DLC, liara comments on shepard enjoying the thrill "you're enjoying this" after shep dismisses a near miss with a crashing truck with a "there we go"

Obviously, these are elements common to a lot of car chase scenes and scifi movies in general, but the comparison between the two series is hard to dismiss and interesting to say the least.

Attack of the Clones:



LotSB:



Attack of the Clones:



LotSB:

Modifié par gw2005, 12 février 2013 - 09:16 .

[Phategod1]

Fredvdp wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DarthKilby wrote...

You really shouldn't judge based one I and II, especially II, that movie is horrid.

I know this just a ran tosecond to last place but no way is SW ep 2 worse then SW ep 1.

I think Anakin in episodes I and II is more annoying than Jar Jar in episode I. I think Episode I is the least bad of the prequels.

I'm akin to agree with you, but to make a more proper analogy 1 is like solid clump crap and the other like runny watery diarrhea. one is more managable then the other but there both S#$t. 

[Clayless]

Still only seen Ep 1, 2 and 3.

Only seen bits of the other 3.

[Fawx9]

farhansdisplayname wrote...

Those that can't believe that I just watched SW for the first time: Yes, I'm a quarter of a century old and watched it for the first time. People look at me like I'm an alien or something when I tell them I never watched SW (well... until now.).

Why did I choose to watch in the prequels first? Because I knew nothing of the SW universe and a self-professed SW fan told me that I should watch it in that order. Reading your responses now, I regret starting with the prequels.

I HATED Jar Jar Binks in episode I and I wished he'd get killed or something. But in episode II, I thought "Jar Jar is an angel compared to this Anakin kid." Why? Because in episode II, Anakin is ready to let go of the Jedi code just to follow his wet dream. (RESPECT to Samara! She held on to her code seriously). I CHEERED when Dooku chopped Anakin's hand off. Queen Amidala is another character I disliked. She KNOWS that Anakin has feelings for her, she TELLS Anakin that he is creeping her out and then she CONTINUES to wear sexy, skintight and open back dresses that attract Anakin even more.

Complaining aside, QG Jinn I really liked. Obi-Wan was good too (especially in episode II). Yoda is probably my favourite character so far. And being a huge LOTR fan, I was shocked and got super excited to see Christopher Lee, I had no idea he was in it.

And thanks. I'll have to check out all the other series mentioned here. Star Trek is next on the list after SW.

I almost want to go a find the person and push them off a cliff.

The only thing you get from watching the first 3 is spoiling all the reveals the original trilogy had.

I actually like the order someone else posted which interlaced the OT with the prequels. It doesn't get rid of the horrible writing but at least keeps the integrity of the OT intact.

Modifié par Fawx9, 12 février 2013 - 02:50 .

[shodiswe]

Mass effect, I think has given us more on the cultures of different species.

Ofcourse, there is the whole "expanded" universe of the Star wars universe that I havn't bothered with, that might flesh it out a little.
What sometiems anoys me about the Star Wars univers is the polarity between the Sith and Jedi. That you have to be an extreme of one thing or you arn't a good sith or a good Jedi. Anything in between seems to be regarded as a missfit, accepted by neither.

[M920CAIN]

Well let me compile a list: Blade Runner, Sphere, Event Horizon, Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly, Stargate, etc. It has elements from each of the shows/movies I mentioned +then some. I think it's part of what makes it great. It borrows mostly the gud stuff and adds a bit of spice to it.

[Blooddrunk1004]

M920CAIN wrote...

Well let me compile a list: Blade Runner, Sphere, Event Horizon, Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly, Stargate, etc. It has elements from each of the shows/movies I mentioned +then some. I think it's part of what makes it great. It borrows mostly the gud stuff and adds a bit of spice to it.

Add Alien and Aliens aswell. The whole Rachni ark in Mass Effect is inspired from both movies (derelict ship, eggs, queen, bug hunt and etc.)

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 12 février 2013 - 04:45 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

farhansdisplayname wrote...

So I just watched Star Wars for the first time (Episodes I and II only so far). I can definitely see the inspiration that BioWare got from the Star Wars universe. There are many similarities just with different names in each universe. But here is the thing: I'm actually not liking Star Wars as much as Mass Effect. Hardcore SciFi/Space opera fans, is it blasphemous of me to like ME better? Because I learned more about the ME universe in ME1 than I learned about the SW universe in the first two episodes. For example, in SW I see aliens walking around with no info regarding their biology/culture like we get in ME. But maybe this isn't a fair comparison after all, because the SW films don't come with a codex that ME comes with. Because of both being completely different mediums.

I respect SW for the inspiration it gave to ME, but I think ME takes it to a new, higher level. Would I be a lone weirdo in holding this opinion?

Well, first off your looking at movies made 20 years after the originals with the thought that everyone wathcing already saw the other films.

Second, mass effect was a game that had a codex that could be open and read in game, that's where the majority of the information comes from. Expecting a movie to have anything similar is rather baffling to be honest. I would say that your time would be better spent reading wookiepedia if your looking to see the story depth and information on the universe than the films, maybe a few of the books as well.

[Cainhurst Crow]

M920CAIN wrote...

Well let me compile a list: Blade Runner, Sphere, Event Horizon, Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly, Stargate, etc. It has elements from each of the shows/movies I mentioned +then some. I think it's part of what makes it great. It borrows mostly the gud stuff and adds a bit of spice to it.

The sphere. My god what a bad movie.

[Nerevar-as]

Fawx9 wrote...

farhansdisplayname wrote...

Those that can't believe that I just watched SW for the first time: Yes, I'm a quarter of a century old and watched it for the first time. People look at me like I'm an alien or something when I tell them I never watched SW (well... until now.).

Why did I choose to watch in the prequels first? Because I knew nothing of the SW universe and a self-professed SW fan told me that I should watch it in that order. Reading your responses now, I regret starting with the prequels.

I HATED Jar Jar Binks in episode I and I wished he'd get killed or something. But in episode II, I thought "Jar Jar is an angel compared to this Anakin kid." Why? Because in episode II, Anakin is ready to let go of the Jedi code just to follow his wet dream. (RESPECT to Samara! She held on to her code seriously). I CHEERED when Dooku chopped Anakin's hand off. Queen Amidala is another character I disliked. She KNOWS that Anakin has feelings for her, she TELLS Anakin that he is creeping her out and then she CONTINUES to wear sexy, skintight and open back dresses that attract Anakin even more.

Complaining aside, QG Jinn I really liked. Obi-Wan was good too (especially in episode II). Yoda is probably my favourite character so far. And being a huge LOTR fan, I was shocked and got super excited to see Christopher Lee, I had no idea he was in it.

And thanks. I'll have to check out all the other series mentioned here. Star Trek is next on the list after SW.

I almost want to go a find the person and push them off a cliff.

The only thing you get from watching the first 3 is spoiling all the reveals the original trilogy had.

I actually like the order someone else posted which interlaced the OT with the prequels. It doesn't get rid of the horrible writing but at least keeps the integrity of the OT intact.

Unless he was already spoiled, I have my doubts he expected Ep III to end with the bad guy winning, one hero as his right hand, another dead, and the third in hiding. So there´s a trade, and one unlikely to be seen often. And I´d really like to know what the OP will feel during ESB´s fight. Even without the surprise, drama factor during the fight should be greater. And about the Jedi Code after the end of RotJ.

And try BSG before ST, Just be warned there are mystical elements that increase as the series advances.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 12 février 2013 - 07:21 .

[NRieh]

Watch them in the proper order, 1,2,3,4,5,6.

Worst advice ever. It's like "get all possible spoilers before palying new game or reading new novel".

4-6 never intended to have ANY prequels, and the only reason they called first one "ep.4" - to give a "small part of huge and epic something" feeling. Which they did.

I can only repeat - use "machete order", which is 4-5-2-3-6. And google why it's a good idea. But know that description and explanation article has a lot of spoilers, so - it's not a good idea to read about it before watching.

It could be not most optimal, but it's the way to preserve integrity and important plot spots of both 4-6 and 2-3, and you can watch ep1 later on - if you feel like you need some extra, but treat it as some kind of "prequel to prequel", don't take it as part of whole series.

[Sentient6]

As terrible as the new trilogy was (not that I like the original very much, mind you), the fight between Darth Maul and Obi-wan & Qui-gon is the single best scene in the entire franchise.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

ME is definitely it's spiritual successor in the video game world. So much homage.

The SWs universe is seriously stupid. You have so much lore that you decide to not give a ****. Hell, there is books on what happens after Episode 6. I kid you not. The lore is too complicated, it's boring, it's devoid of spirit.

[Neria Rose]

Sentient6 wrote...

As terrible as the new trilogy was (not that I like the original very much, mind you), the fight between Darth Maul and Obi-wan & Qui-gon is the single best scene in the entire franchise.

Uh huh..

As an aside, I love Star Wars. The original trilogy is infinitely better than the new one, but aside from Hayden Christensen's horrific performance I enjoyed the new movies (I'm 28, watched the original several times at home before the new came out in theatres). Palpatine being my favorite villain in any medium may have helped.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 15 février 2013 - 01:03 .

[Brannon]

Star Wars was a favorite as a kid (I'm 35 and old enough to remember seeing Return of the Jedi in theaters in 83) and I will always have fondness for it, but like many my age, Lucas' terrible execution of the prequels took most of the enthusiasm out of it for me.

This being said, Star Wars was a fantastic creation. It was intentionally simplistic in tone, to match the old sci-fi serials Lucas loved as a kid, and this maximized its cultural impact. It was ostensibly sci-fi, but also included virtually every major heroic/quest and fairy tale trope imaginable. In the "expanded" universe, it left room for it to be as dark or as light as the creators wanted it to be. Lucas obviously wanted to steer the course more towards a young audience overall as the years went on, but I'm sure this had a lot to do with that being were the money was at as far as merchandising goes.

Saying that Mass Effect owes a lot to it, or Star Trek, is no knock of course. Star Wars itself borrows heavily from Flash Gordon, Star Trek, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Tolkein and Dune.

[Sentient6]

Neria Rose wrote...
Uh huh..

XD

And yet my point stands.

[NRieh]

And the thread winner is....

Neria Rose wrote...
Uh huh..

8P

And one can also compare speeders run from ep6 and stupid cgi ep1 races.

[Hainkpe]

Episodes 4, 5, and 6 are the iconic Star Wars. It's what will be remembered long after Mass Effect. Episodes 1, 2, and 3 just added to the universe. As will anything that Disney comes up with.

The Star Wars franchise has been around for 36 years. It has had an impact on may facets of Sci fi. That's what make it iconic. With The Clone Wars and newe games being pitched to Disney as well as SWTOR, the franchise is active and will continue to be so for a long time.

[Bocks]

This is why Star Wars will be forever better than Mass Effect.

[Nerevar-as]

Nrieh wrote...

And the thread winner is....

Neria Rose wrote...
Uh huh..

8P

And one can also compare speeders run from ep6 and stupid cgi ep1 races.

I´ll always find it funny how people despise CGI. I really want some director to say a scene was CGI, and after it´s been shredded to pieces by the fans show it actually wasn´t. Believing is seeing for too many people.

If it works, it works, and stop motion is no better than CG where suspense of disbelief is involved. Although I agree sometimes it just doesn´t work. The CG Aliens from A3 & A4 were horrible.

[Nerevar-as]

Bocks wrote...



This is why Star Wars will be forever better than Mass Effect.

If ME3 writers had done RotJ... No, just too horrible to even think about it.

[spirosz]

Watch it from 4.

Am I the only one who enjoyed the new series? It wasn't terrible and I thought the third one was excellent.