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[GreyLycanTrope]

spirosz wrote...

Watch it from 4.

Am I the only one who enjoyed the new series? It wasn't terrible and I thought the third one was excellent.

The first was downright dumb, the second was bland, the third was enjoyable, from my perspective anyways.

[Nerevar-as]

spirosz wrote...

Watch it from 4.

Am I the only one who enjoyed the new series? It wasn't terrible and I thought the third one was excellent.

I liked them all. All have elements I don´t enjoy but far from reducing the overall experience. I also like parts of the EU, mostly DH comics since 10 years ago and Del Rey books until Troy Denning took over and ruined everything.

[Bocks]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Bocks wrote...



This is why Star Wars will be forever better than Mass Effect.

If ME3 writers had done RotJ... No, just too horrible to even think about it.

Oh no.

An ending with closure? With a character looking back at the fallen? With a happy sense of victory despite the sacrifices made until that point? Something that makes the audience feel a sense of accomplishment and success? The horror!

[Clayless]

Bocks wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Bocks wrote...



This is why Star Wars will be forever better than Mass Effect.

If ME3 writers had done RotJ... No, just too horrible to even think about it.

Oh no.

An ending with closure? With a character looking back at the fallen? With a happy sense of victory despite the sacrifices made until that point? Something that makes the audience feel a sense of accomplishment and success? The horror!

Didn't they just blow up the Death Star but not actually solve anything else?

[Sejborg]

Robosexual wrote...

Bocks wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Bocks wrote...



This is why Star Wars will be forever better than Mass Effect.

If ME3 writers had done RotJ... No, just too horrible to even think about it.

Oh no.

An ending with closure? With a character looking back at the fallen? With a happy sense of victory despite the sacrifices made until that point? Something that makes the audience feel a sense of accomplishment and success? The horror!

Didn't they just blow up the Death Star but not actually solve anything else?

Spoiler alert. Darth Vader and Palpatine also died. 

[Clayless]

Sejborg wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Didn't they just blow up the Death Star but not actually solve anything else?

Spoiler alert. Darth Vader and Palpatine also died. 

Yeah but the Empire is still there, just temporarily leaderless?

[Sejborg]

Robosexual wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Didn't they just blow up the Death Star but not actually solve anything else?

Spoiler alert. Darth Vader and Palpatine also died. 

Yeah but the Empire is still there, just temporarily leaderless?

Probably. I guess questions will be answered in episode 7.

[Clayless]

Sejborg wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Yeah but the Empire is still there, just temporarily leaderless?

Probably. I guess questions will be answered in episode 7.

I guess. But "nothing was solved but those questions may get answered in a sequel created over 30 years later, that we only learned about a few months ago, therefore RotJ ends better" doesn't really sound like a good argument to make.

Modifié par Robosexual, 15 février 2013 - 03:28 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Sejborg wrote...
Probably. I guess questions will be answered in episode 7.

That issue has actually been expanded upon in various books and comics, expended universe and what not. Fair chunk of the war left to fight, but the empire basically was in recline without the Emperor and having lost a fair chunk of the fleet and upper leadership.

[Nerevar-as]

Robosexual wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Didn't they just blow up the Death Star but not actually solve anything else?

Spoiler alert. Darth Vader and Palpatine also died. 

Yeah but the Empire is still there, just temporarily leaderless?

Luke is going to be the kind of Jedi the Old Order should have been, Han & Leia hook up, Anakin is redeemed and finally has peace, the Empire has no head, nor the back up head, so it´s pretty much screwed. I´d say characters and plots were closed.

[Sejborg]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Sejborg wrote...
Probably. I guess questions will be answered in episode 7.

That issue has actually been expanded upon in various books and comics, expended universe and what not. Fair chunk of the war left to fight, but the empire basically was in recline without the Emperor and having lost a fair chunk of the fleet and upper leadership.

The expanded universe sucks ass. I hope Arndt and Abrams disregard it completely. 

[luzburg]

i like starwars but i think mass effect is better

[Clayless]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Yeah but the Empire is still there, just temporarily leaderless?

Luke is going to be the kind of Jedi the Old Order should have been, Han & Leia hook up, Anakin is redeemed and finally has peace, the Empire has no head, nor the back up head, so it´s pretty much screwed. I´d say characters and plots were closed.

But the Empire still has millions of ships and troops and, correct me if I'm wrong, vastly outnumber the rebels? Wouldn't it just have created a temporary power vacuum that could just be filled by another high ranking official? The galaxy is a huge place and apparently they were powerful enough to rule it with an iron fist, so there must be tons of high ranking officials that could replace the Emperor. And destroying the Death Star didn't do anything the first time, they just rebuilt it, I don't see how destroying it a second time does anything different.

Modifié par Robosexual, 15 février 2013 - 03:48 .

[Fawx9]

Robosexual wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Yeah but the Empire is still there, just temporarily leaderless?

Luke is going to be the kind of Jedi the Old Order should have been, Han & Leia hook up, Anakin is redeemed and finally has peace, the Empire has no head, nor the back up head, so it´s pretty much screwed. I´d say characters and plots were closed.

But the Empire still has millions of ships and troops and, correct me if I'm wrong, vastly outnumber the rebels? Wouldn't it just have created a temporary power vacuum that could just be filled by another high ranking official? The galaxy is a huge place and apparently they were powerful enough to rule it with an iron fist, so there must be tons of high ranking officials that could replace the Emperor. And destroying the Death Star didn't do anything the first time, they just rebuilt it, I don't see how destroying it a second time does anything different.

The Emperor had control of the senate, or was at least close to it(it been a long time since I saw 4). Without him the senate may finally be able to undo the changes he brought and help the rebells more openly.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Sejborg wrote...
The expanded universe sucks ass. I hope Arndt and Abrams disregard it completely. 

Kotor is part of the universe.

[shodiswe]

Also this the kind of competition Star Wars had when it was created...



Which is acualy an example of good sciencefiction of that era... Some of the other stuff.. I woudln't want to think about..

[Clayless]

Fawx9 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

But the Empire still has millions of ships and troops and, correct me if I'm wrong, vastly outnumber the rebels? Wouldn't it just have created a temporary power vacuum that could just be filled by another high ranking official? The galaxy is a huge place and apparently they were powerful enough to rule it with an iron fist, so there must be tons of high ranking officials that could replace the Emperor. And destroying the Death Star didn't do anything the first time, they just rebuilt it, I don't see how destroying it a second time does anything different.

The Emperor had control of the senate, or was at least close to it(it been a long time since I saw 4). Without him the senate may finally be able to undo the changes he brought and help the rebells more openly.

Wait, how the hell did he manage to convince them to allow him to blow up planets? Twice? And why didn't the rebels just go for the senate and convince them to reject Palpatines actions?

[Sejborg]

Robosexual wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

But the Empire still has millions of ships and troops and, correct me if I'm wrong, vastly outnumber the rebels? Wouldn't it just have created a temporary power vacuum that could just be filled by another high ranking official? The galaxy is a huge place and apparently they were powerful enough to rule it with an iron fist, so there must be tons of high ranking officials that could replace the Emperor. And destroying the Death Star didn't do anything the first time, they just rebuilt it, I don't see how destroying it a second time does anything different.

The Emperor had control of the senate, or was at least close to it(it been a long time since I saw 4). Without him the senate may finally be able to undo the changes he brought and help the rebells more openly.

Wait, how the hell did he manage to convince them to allow him to blow up planets? Twice? And why didn't the rebels just go for the senate and convince them to reject Palpatines actions?

Jar Jar Binks gave Palpatine unlimited power. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Robosexual wrote...
Wait, how the hell did he manage to convince them to allow him to blow up planets? Twice? And why didn't the rebels just go for the senate and convince them to reject Palpatines actions?

Dictators centralize power, he used the clone wars to legally strenghten his political position, not much the Senate can do aside from voicing a protest. The first Death star was built in secret after which the Senate was dissolved. At which point the form of government became enforced strickly by the military. The Senate was already behind the rebelion after this, but also powerless while Palpatine was alive. Removing the Emipire's top leadership didn't leave much in terms of a successor, the key flaw with centralized power is that without a clear line of succession the whole structure falls apart.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 15 février 2013 - 04:20 .

[RACDB]

I also saw Star Wars for the first time. But it was in a movie theater back in 1977.

[Sejborg]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Sejborg wrote...
The expanded universe sucks ass. I hope Arndt and Abrams disregard it completely. 

Kotor is part of the universe.

Oh right. I don't consider that part of the expanded universe for some reason.  I like kotor.

[DesioPL]

I must agree at some points why? I don't mean here inspirations about movies, but locations from SW to ME.

1: Illium is definitly inspired by Corruscant, if you look in ME2 at the background, you will see some inspirations.

2: Not sure here, but possible that 2183 Despoina, where is Leviathan storyline, inspired by Rhen Var? Not sure in 100%.

3: Namakli looks smillar to Utapau from Revenge Of The Sith, i sure about it!

4: Is there anyone, that Eden Prime remind Tatooine? But here is some diffrences...

[Nerevar-as]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
Wait, how the hell did he manage to convince them to allow him to blow up planets? Twice? And why didn't the rebels just go for the senate and convince them to reject Palpatines actions?

Dictators centralize power, he used the clone wars to legally strenghten his political position, not much the Senate can do aside from voicing a protest. The first Death star was built in secret after which the Senate was dissolved. At which point the form of government became enforced strickly by the military. The Senate was already behind the rebelion after this, but also powerless while Palpatine was alive. Removing the Emipire's top leadership didn't leave much in terms of a successor, the key flaw with centralized power is that without a clear line of succession the whole structure falls apart.

The Empire was totally centralized. That was the point of the DS. Remove the annoying burocracy, use an iron fist, and if anyone complains blow their planet. With no DS that plan goes away, as orbital bombardments just take too much resources to be practical. What happened in the EU was more or less logical, a lot of leaders each doing their own thing, with the ocassional Marty Tzu being a bit more successful than others.

[Redbelle]

farhansdisplayname wrote...

So I just watched Star Wars for the first time (Episodes I and II only so far). I can definitely see the inspiration that BioWare got from the Star Wars universe. There are many similarities just with different names in each universe. But here is the thing: I'm actually not liking Star Wars as much as Mass Effect. Hardcore SciFi/Space opera fans, is it blasphemous of me to like ME better? Because I learned more about the ME universe in ME1 than I learned about the SW universe in the first two episodes. For example, in SW I see aliens walking around with no info regarding their biology/culture like we get in ME. But maybe this isn't a fair comparison after all, because the SW films don't come with a codex that ME comes with. Because of both being completely different mediums.

I respect SW for the inspiration it gave to ME, but I think ME takes it to a new, higher level. Would I be a lone weirdo in holding this opinion?

Aye, watch ep 4 5 and 6 first. They were the first one's to be released for a reason after all.

And the reason? Arguable at best but here's my take.

SW's is not hard sci-fi. It's a fairy tale wrapped up in Sci-Fi. Ep4-6 heavily support's this as it has all the hall mark's of a fantasy stroy of all, from the dark lord's to the chosen one.

Carrie Fisher once said (not in so many words) that SW was a borrowing of the Wizard of Oz and other fantasy staples of the genre, reimagined.

Anyway. SW may be a fantasy story, but it is still Sci-Fi and one of the go too's for how to do it as SW is a successful franchise that captured the imagination of generation's.

[Brannon]

Without question there are numerous sci-fi franchises that do characterization, politics, etc, better than Star Wars, and Mass Effect is one of them. But like many have pointed out, Star Wars is equally a fantasy and much of the best fantasy purposely uses archetypes for maximal effect.