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[Clayless]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

But the Empire still has millions of ships and troops and, correct me if I'm wrong, vastly outnumber the rebels? Wouldn't it just have created a temporary power vacuum that could just be filled by another high ranking official? The galaxy is a huge place and apparently they were powerful enough to rule it with an iron fist, so there must be tons of high ranking officials that could replace the Emperor. And destroying the Death Star didn't do anything the first time, they just rebuilt it, I don't see how destroying it a second time does anything different.

According to the books, without Palpatine's authority the Empire goes into decline and starts to fragment, which means the Rebels easily swoop in and gain control of most of the galaxy. The Empire tries to reclaim their territory several times but has been too badly weakened by infighting, crap leaders and failed campaigns that it just can't keep going.

Yeah I read a bit on this and it seems it took 38 years after the end of RotJ before the Empire finally collapsed, so it seem like they were pretty much only at the start of the war at the end of the last film. I don't exactly see how that's a good place to end things.

It just seems like comparing Star Wars to Mass Effect isn't very good seeing as though Star Wars is a kids film that doesn't exactly seem to worry about the finer details of the plot, and Mass Effect is lore heavy and for adults. Even the way the universes work. Star Trek and Mass Effect would be a bit of a better comparison.

Modifié par Robosexual, 15 février 2013 - 06:40 .

[Nerevar-as]

I think it was around 15 years or so. The rulers of what was left of the Empire by then decided to cut loses and ask for peace. Then some authors decided that their mildly fascist goverment worked far better than the Republic´s democracy. WTF?

[Redbelle]

Robosexual wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

But the Empire still has millions of ships and troops and, correct me if I'm wrong, vastly outnumber the rebels? Wouldn't it just have created a temporary power vacuum that could just be filled by another high ranking official? The galaxy is a huge place and apparently they were powerful enough to rule it with an iron fist, so there must be tons of high ranking officials that could replace the Emperor. And destroying the Death Star didn't do anything the first time, they just rebuilt it, I don't see how destroying it a second time does anything different.

According to the books, without Palpatine's authority the Empire goes into decline and starts to fragment, which means the Rebels easily swoop in and gain control of most of the galaxy. The Empire tries to reclaim their territory several times but has been too badly weakened by infighting, crap leaders and failed campaigns that it just can't keep going.

Yeah I read a bit on this and it seems it took 38 years after the end of RotJ before the Empire finally collapsed, so it seem like they were pretty much only at the start of the war at the end of the last film. I don't exactly see how that's a good place to end things.

It just seems like comparing Star Wars to Mass Effect isn't very good seeing as though Star Wars is a kids film that doesn't exactly seem to worry about the finer details of the plot, and Mass Effect is lore heavy and for adults. Even the way the universes work. Star Trek and Mass Effect would be a bit of a better comparison.

I think the last serious contender for defeating the Rebel's/New Republic was Grand Admiral Thrawn who appeared in the Tie Fighter game of many a year ago. Then got the position of chief bad guy in his own trilogy of extended universe books.

Best trilogy ever!

[Blooddrunk1004]

The original trilogy makes the new one look like ****.
Only reason why you should watch the new trilogy is because of action scenes that's it.

Revenge of the Sith is the only movie that is worth watching from beggining to the end, mostly because it has dbest lightsaber fights, Anakin finally gets some character development and it also doesn't have annoying characters and pointless scenes like previous movies did.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 16 février 2013 - 04:17 .

[Sejborg]

Sentient6 wrote...

As terrible as the new trilogy was (not that I like the original very much, mind you), the fight between Darth Maul and Obi-wan & Qui-gon is the single best scene in the entire franchise.

Disagreed. This is the best scene in the entire franchise:

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Sejborg, 16 février 2013 - 04:36 .

[Mimitochan]

farhansdisplayname wrote...

So I just watched Star Wars for the first time (Episodes I and II only so far). I can definitely see the inspiration that BioWare got from the Star Wars universe. There are many similarities just with different names in each universe. But here is the thing: I'm actually not liking Star Wars as much as Mass Effect. Hardcore SciFi/Space opera fans, is it blasphemous of me to like ME better? Because I learned more about the ME universe in ME1 than I learned about the SW universe in the first two episodes. For example, in SW I see aliens walking around with no info regarding their biology/culture like we get in ME. But maybe this isn't a fair comparison after all, because the SW films don't come with a codex that ME comes with. Because of both being completely different mediums.

I respect SW for the inspiration it gave to ME, but I think ME takes it to a new, higher level. Would I be a lone weirdo in holding this opinion?

They're both sci-fi, but SW are movies, ME are games. Hardly comparable.
Also please, start with the original trilogy, not that crap. It's like starting with ME3.

If you're interested in science-fiction in general though, immersive universes, lore, aliens, just read novels. They're far superior than anything you will go and watch or play. Plus you'll meet the fathers who inspired a lot of what you're refering to.

[Han Shot First]

Sejborg wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

As terrible as the new trilogy was (not that I like the original very much, mind you), the fight between Darth Maul and Obi-wan & Qui-gon is the single best scene in the entire franchise.

Disagreed. This is the best scene in the entire trilogi:

www.youtube.com/watch

Agreed.

And this is still the best duel in the series.

What it lacks in CGI acrobatics, it makes up for in drama and story, and concludes with one of the greatest reveals in movie history.

[Dragon_Claw]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

As terrible as the new trilogy was (not that I like the original very much, mind you), the fight between Darth Maul and Obi-wan & Qui-gon is the single best scene in the entire franchise.

Disagreed. This is the best scene in the entire trilogi:

www.youtube.com/watch

Agreed.

And this is still the best duel in the series.

What it lacks in CGI acrobatics, it makes up for in drama and story, and concludes with one of the greatest reveals in movie history.

Those are some good scenes, but this one is my favorite. No acrobatics crap here, just pure anger backed up by John Williams.

Modifié par Dragon_Claw, 16 février 2013 - 06:39 .

[Brannon]

I think the main problem I had with the prequels, like many, was the look an portrayal of Anakin. It was a conceptual mistake to start him off as a child. I would have started him off in his early 20's at the youngest with a brief sketch of his "origin." I also visualized him looking and acting like a brooding young Christian Bale more so than an actor similar to Mark Hamil's Luke Skywalker.

[NRieh]

I´ll always find it funny how people despise CGI.

It's not that people despise CGI. But can you really claim, that CGI Yoda looks better than Oz' one? Can you really say that real models look worse than CGI? CGI is cheaper to use today, and it has some advantages. But...you know that even in our HI-FI digital era tube-based amps and sound they provide are considered best ones, don't you?

[Sejborg]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

As terrible as the new trilogy was (not that I like the original very much, mind you), the fight between Darth Maul and Obi-wan & Qui-gon is the single best scene in the entire franchise.

Disagreed. This is the best scene in the entire trilogi:

www.youtube.com/watch

Agreed.

And this is still the best duel in the series.

What it lacks in CGI acrobatics, it makes up for in drama and story, and concludes with one of the greatest reveals in movie history.

Those are some good scenes, but this one is my favorite. No acrobatics crap here, just pure anger backed up by John Williams.

That is my favorite fight scene in the entire franchise. Always makes the hair on my arms stand up. John Williams is an absolute beast, and George Lucas was still inspired back then.  

[Han Shot First]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

As terrible as the new trilogy was (not that I like the original very much, mind you), the fight between Darth Maul and Obi-wan & Qui-gon is the single best scene in the entire franchise.

Disagreed. This is the best scene in the entire trilogi:

www.youtube.com/watch

Agreed.

And this is still the best duel in the series.

What it lacks in CGI acrobatics, it makes up for in drama and story, and concludes with one of the greatest reveals in movie history.

Those are some good scenes, but this one is my favorite. No acrobatics crap here, just pure anger backed up by John Williams.

That is probably my second favorite duel of the series, for the reasons you stated. Even 30(!) years later Luke's rage-filled reaction and that score still hold up. Epic scene.

[Belisarius25]

The duel also leads to my favorite scene (Luke's refusal of Palpatine's offer/rejection of the Dark Side and faith in his father) - the firm conviction of "I will never turn to the Dark Side"...

Modifié par Belisarius25, 16 février 2013 - 09:33 .

[Nerevar-as]

Brannon wrote...

I think the main problem I had with the prequels, like many, was the look an portrayal of Anakin. It was a conceptual mistake to start him off as a child. I would have started him off in his early 20's at the youngest with a brief sketch of his "origin." I also visualized him looking and acting like a brooding young Christian Bale more so than an actor similar to Mark Hamil's Luke Skywalker.

Considering how many times it had been remarked Luke had a lot of Anakin in him, that´s kind of your fault. Maybe the reason I liked them was that that was the only thing I´d expected about I-III. So Anakin being a more emotionally imbalanced version of Luke made sense to me. I also think showing him as a child was important, it shows him nice enough until the "by the book" Jedi get hold of him, and don´t stop to wonder why the Chosen One wasn´t found until he was too old by their standards, just try to adapt him to said standards. Result: his emotions are a bomb about to go off.

I also vote RotJ Luke vs Vader as best duel in the saga. ESB doesn´t have that much drama, until the reveal it´s just the good guy getting his ass handed to him, which wasn´t something that new even back then. What made it what it was is the reveal, not the duel itself. RotJ on the other side is the culmination of 3 movies (later 6), and it really delivers. And "Dark Side Beckons" theme is just amazing, Williams nailed it.

[farhansdisplayname]

gw2005 wrote...

lol this is awesome. I myself just began to revisit starwars movies a few days ago as well.

just
one comparison that will make my experience to you very obvious: Star
Wars II: Attack of the Clones. The car chase scene where anakin and
obiwan is chasing the assasin that set some worm to kill padme - aside
from the obvious comparison between the star wars flying cars and mass
effect, the entire car action sequence is analogous to the car chase
scene with shepard and liara in LotSB DLC. Even the opening in the
building where the cars go through are the same.

Aside from the
visual, even the tone and topic of conversation is comparable. obiwan
telling anakin to stop being suicidal while anakin is obviously enjoying
the thrill and even teasing his master about him not liking flying.
While in LofSB DLC, liara comments on shepard enjoying the thrill
"you're enjoying this" after shep dismisses a near miss with a crashing
truck with a "there we go"

Obviously, these are elements common
to a lot of car chase scenes and scifi movies in general, but the
comparison between the two series is hard to dismiss and interesting to
say the least.

Yup, my thoughts exactly. Haha.

Nerevar-as wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

I almost want to go a find the person and push them off a cliff.

The only thing you get from watching the first 3 is spoiling all the reveals the original trilogy had.

I actually like the order someone else posted which interlaced the OT with the prequels. It doesn't get rid of the horrible writing but at least keeps the integrity of the OT intact.

Unless he was already spoiled, I have my doubts he expected Ep III to end with the bad guy winning, one hero as his right hand, another dead, and the third in hiding. So there´s a trade, and one unlikely to be seen often. And I´d really like to know what the OP will feel during ESB´s fight. Even without the surprise, drama factor during the fight should be greater. And about the Jedi Code after the end of RotJ.

And try BSG before ST, Just be warned there are mystical elements that increase as the series advances.

Well, I know Luke Skywalker's father is Darth Vader. And I assume this is the biggest reveal of the original trilogy. But dang it how is Luke related to Anakin Skywalker?! I assume they're brothers because Anakin too has a mysterious beginning, Anakin's mother wasn't clear on who his father is. Looking forward to watching the rest of the films to find out more about the Skywalkers and how Vader comes into the picture.

Nerevar-as, haven't seen episode III yet, but I know the bad guys win thanks to your post But hey, which is great
because I like the Seperatist Movement/Siths a HECK of a lot more than the Republic and the Jedi.

Ya, I wish I could forget SW and watch again in the chronology they were released. Oh well. Too late now.

Modifié par farhansdisplayname, 19 février 2013 - 05:23 .

[MrFob]

farhansdisplayname wrote...

So I just watched Star Wars for the first time (Episodes I and II only so far). I can definitely see the inspiration that BioWare got from the Star Wars universe. There are many similarities just with different names in each universe. But here is the thing: I'm actually not liking Star Wars as much as Mass Effect. Hardcore SciFi/Space opera fans, is it blasphemous of me to like ME better? Because I learned more about the ME universe in ME1 than I learned about the SW universe in the first two episodes. For example, in SW I see aliens walking around with no info regarding their biology/culture like we get in ME. But maybe this isn't a fair comparison after all, because the SW films don't come with a codex that ME comes with. Because of both being completely different mediums.

I respect SW for the inspiration it gave to ME, but I think ME takes it to a new, higher level. Would I be a lone weirdo in holding this opinion?

Yep, ME certainly took it's share of inspiration from the classics. They never made a secret about that either. Also, I like the ME universe better as well.

But now, go and watch Babylon 5, then we can talk about similarities again.

[RogueBot]

Episode 5 is gonna knock you off your couch. It's a great movie.

Personally, my like of Star Wars and Mass Effect is about even. I don't really like episodes 1-3. but the originals were amazing. I don't care for certain aspects of ME3, but most of the series is really good.

But Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon back in the day. The only thing that's sorta comparable to it in that regard is Harry Potter, but even that's a bad comparison.

Modifié par RogueBot, 19 février 2013 - 06:33 .

[Doriath666]

You'll never be able to enjoy Star Wars if you're watching it this late in your life.The main thing that keeps star wars alive is really nostalgia.The people who saw the originals when they were really young are still in love with the Star wars universe for the fact that it was important to them when they were children.Even if they complain about the prequels..Which are not near as bad as everyone says...still dont understand why they complain about Jar-jar but not the ewoks.But the Star wars universe is great, the movies are just a small fraction of the star wars universe and there is so much greatness in it and more material than any form of sci fi/fantasy ever.Ive loved the movies since I was a very young kid and thats why its my favorite even over mass effect.A shame that some people have never seen them.

[Doriath666]

LineHolder wrote...

Good point re:CGI. As much as I loved The Hobbit, the Orcs and UrukHai looked much better in LOTR because they were real actors wearing makeup and masks.

CGI has its uses obviously, it is a matter of finding the right balance.

Defintly agree with this.Its the main reason I cant stand Avatar and alot of the new movies coming out..the CGI doesnt hold up near as well as real makeup and mask.Hell if you look at the CGI in the LOTR movies, its looks beter than almost anything else that has come out since and those were made in the late 90s early 2000.

[ManOfSteel]

"So I just watched Star Wars for the first time."

You poor thing. I'd recommend going to watch something else.

Modifié par DoomHK, 19 février 2013 - 10:31 .

[Haargel]

spirosz wrote...

Watch it from 4.

Am I the only one who enjoyed the new series? It wasn't terrible and I thought the third one was excellent.

No, I also like them, and I grew up watching the OT as a 6 year old. I always wondered how Anakin became Darth Vader and voila, I got my answers.

I must say if you have never seen them, you should start watching the OT, then the PT.

[NoxNoctum]

The prequels are terrible. Watch the original trilogy. I hope you haven't seen Episode 3 yet it would totally spoil the original series (much better movies).

Modifié par NoxNoctum, 19 février 2013 - 02:24 .