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[ruggly]

Wow...I...nevermind, this here idiot luddite will just ignore this.

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

I think the point of Synthesis was to present us with the technological Singularity, if you're familiar with that term. It's not about understanding everything, as we don't right now, it's about the rationale that if we continue evolving technology and the sciences, eventually we'll be able to leave nature and mortality behind. Nature and mortality tend to result in a lot of suffering, a lot of death, and some people embrace that death as they're unable to think outside of their small world perceptions, they're stuck in a very small box. Synthesis is for those that want to dream bigger.

For those, like myself, it's a conclusion wchich fits our ideals. It presents a future mostly sans suffering, it changes the human condition. We no longer have to be beasts reliant on instinct. Similar to the reapers, we will no longer be slaves to our own biologically programming. If you've been following scientific research at all, a lot of it is pretty much to overturn nature's own code. Curing diabetes recently had an interesting milestone, as did a potential future cure for cognitive decline (the lack of new neurons being created in old age).

Much of what we do is meant to augment our natural selves, to go past our own shortcomings. That shiny iPhone or Android phone you might have is a side-effect of that desire. A hundred years ago, you wouldn't be able to immediately and directly call a hospital or the police out on the street like you can now. This is all augmentation of the human condition, it's about overcoming our shortcomings and rebuilding ourselves into better creatures. Bionic eyes recently went on sale as a product to cure blindness (no, really). Every day we take another step towards the Singularity.

The Singularity is the event where we pretty much step aside from nature, because we have no more use for it, and we've taken evolution into our own hands. Essentially, we're free of nature's biological coding. And if you think about it, that's much of what Mass Effect 3 represents - everyone is a slave to their code. The synthetics are, the organics are, the reapers are. And yet we all want something better, and we strive for better things. Legion striving to provide code to allow his people to become truly sapient is reminiscent of our own struggle.

So, for a mind like mine, Synthesis isn't at all difficult to accept. It's the natural culmination of everything. It's what we're all heading towards, anyway. Every intelligent mind strives to escape the boundaries of nature. Every intelligent mind wants to undo damages brought about by us being natural creatures. If it wasn't for that drive, we wouldn't have people working on cures for the big bads, like cancer and STDs. The point of the Singularity is that at that point, those concerns stop being concerns, we're no longer slaves to the fear of them.

Synthesis represents that turning point. A point where we can all connect to a galactic consensus to share thoughts and emotions, where we could back up our very minds to it, where we could upgrade our bodies to the point where they are so different that we're barely a part of the human condition any more, where we could instead just leave our bodies behind and just become a part of a living spaceship. Those are very far-fetched notions right now, but it's, frankly, awesome ideas like those that we strive for. Those are the long term goals for us.

The ultimate purpose of humanity is to defeat the human condition and recreate it as something entirely our own.

Synthesis provides the chance to do just that, to finally be free of all concerns and take personal evolution into your own hands. It's pretty much the ultimate future, the point where we transcend from the human condition into something else. Yes, i'm a transhumanist, but for obvious reasons. Of course, the opposite end of this is being a luddite, where you absolutely hate any and all forms of advancement (only perhaps barely tolerating those you were born into). I always feel sad for luddites, because they're going to end up as those old people who long for 'the days when.' (And they might become those old people as early as the age of 30 depending on how much they hate modern technology.)

Whereas I'm quite a bit along that road myself, past middle age and still going strong. I'll be as ready for new technology when I'm 80 as I am today, and I will continue to feel sorry for those that aren't.

But yes, that's what Synthesis represents: The inevitable tomorrow.

I don't see why that's a bad thing, one step too far, or hard to understand.

[JMJ_91]

Auld Wulf wrote...

JMJ_91 wrote...

Right, I see your point, that's why Snythesis is supposed to be the "Good"-ending. I've just got trouble seeing how it would work inside the Mass Effect universe (kinda weird arguing about what's unrealtistic in a sci-fi game )

Well, you seem nice enough, so I'll continue this...

I guess I don't understand what the problem is from the perspective of the Mass Effect Universe. It's all about tools (your technology), resources, and organisation. If your tools are flexible and advanced enough, then eventually you'll be able to do damn near anything. I've heard the term "digital reality" come up a lot lately in regards to physics research, and what we're finding is that everything is actually much more simple than we originally bleieved it to be. Every bit as messy, certainly, but still not at all a grand, incomprehensible thing.

The reapers were built by a race that was far, far ahead of us in regards to their understanding of the Universe. The resrouces were provided by the catalyst, the tool was the Citadel, the Catalyst had clearly been planning this for quite some time, and the tools are hugely flexible and greatly advanced (millennia beyond our own). I've often theorised that the Catalyst leaked the Crucible simply because it wanted to be in a situation where it could provide other solutions, where it could prove to the reaper consensus that the original solution could no longer work. It tried to create that situation, much to the chagrin of the reaper consensus.

Many times the Alliance pointed out that they had no clue what they were building, but the instructions for building it were so surprisingly simple and elegant, so much so that they could build this thing without even knowing what it was. This is what leads me to believe that the Crucible itself was a Catalyst plan, leaked to every cycle in the hopes that one of them would be able to build it, so that the Catalyst could initiate a new solution.

Look at the technology we've witnessed already. The quarians and the geth are incredibly advanced, anyway. EDI was a marvellous piece of engineering, essentially a man-made sapient life form... now just up the ante and realise what the reapers could do with their technology. The relays could be used as a transmission medium for whatever they want. Couple the relays as a transmission medium with self-replicating nanotechnology and things begin to make more sense. This is how it 'spreads' everywhere.

And really, the relays are reaper tech, so they're likely easily programmed to perform any number of tasks. When you look at how we already have hardware that we can program to reshape itself, even circuitboards which we can tell to take a certain shape and be a certain thing, on a grander scale, a reaper relay is likely capable of so, so much more.

Where would this nanotech come from? Manufactured by the Citadel thanks to the resources provided by the Crucible. Again: Tools, organisation, and resources.

You just have to think bigger. It's Sci-Fi, after all. At some point in the future we're going to look back at us, today, and realise how incredibly primitive we are. This will be seen as the middle ages, a dark time where we lacked in so much; where there was so much poverty in the world; and so much sickness and suffering. The whole point of being alive is to strive to overcome those limitations and become something better. Synthesis is just that on a grander scale. We already overcome so many things today with tools, resources, and organisation. But it's not enough.

If we had enough organisation, today, we'd already be building superstructures in space. But sadly there are things getting in the way of that. A lot of it is due to failings in our own nature (largely greed). Still, we have overcome much with our tools, what resources we have available to us, and our organisation. Synthesis is just that on a much, much grander scale.

Fair enough, you've made a compelling point for the synthesis. Still not the ending I favor, but I defintively see where you're coming from. Like I said, a beam changing DNA-structure is just a little "too far fetched" for my own liking inside the ME lore

Modifié par JMJ_91, 11 février 2013 - 09:50 .

[Wayning_Star]

Auld Wulf wrote...

JMJ_91 wrote...

Right, I see your point, that's why Snythesis is supposed to be the "Good"-ending. I've just got trouble seeing how it would work inside the Mass Effect universe (kinda weird arguing about what's unrealtistic in a sci-fi game )

Well, you seem nice enough, so I'll continue this...

I guess I don't understand what the problem is from the perspective of the Mass Effect Universe. It's all about tools (your technology), resources, and organisation. If your tools are flexible and advanced enough, then eventually you'll be able to do damn near anything. I've heard the term "digital reality" come up a lot lately in regards to physics research, and what we're finding is that everything is actually much more simple than we originally bleieved it to be. Every bit as messy, certainly, but still not at all a grand, incomprehensible thing.

The reapers were built by a race that was far, far ahead of us in regards to their understanding of the Universe. The resrouces were provided by the catalyst, the tool was the Citadel, the Catalyst had clearly been planning this for quite some time, and the tools are hugely flexible and greatly advanced (millennia beyond our own). I've often theorised that the Catalyst leaked the Crucible simply because it wanted to be in a situation where it could provide other solutions, where it could prove to the reaper consensus that the original solution could no longer work. It tried to create that situation, much to the chagrin of the reaper consensus.

Many times the Alliance pointed out that they had no clue what they were building, but the instructions for building it were so surprisingly simple and elegant, so much so that they could build this thing without even knowing what it was. This is what leads me to believe that the Crucible itself was a Catalyst plan, leaked to every cycle in the hopes that one of them would be able to build it, so that the Catalyst could initiate a new solution.

Look at the technology we've witnessed already. The quarians and the geth are incredibly advanced, anyway. EDI was a marvellous piece of engineering, essentially a man-made sapient life form... now just up the ante and realise what the reapers could do with their technology. The relays could be used as a transmission medium for whatever they want. Couple the relays as a transmission medium with self-replicating nanotechnology and things begin to make more sense. This is how it 'spreads' everywhere.

And really, the relays are reaper tech, so they're likely easily programmed to perform any number of tasks. When you look at how we already have hardware that we can program to reshape itself, even circuitboards which we can tell to take a certain shape and be a certain thing, on a grander scale, a reaper relay is likely capable of so, so much more.

Where would this nanotech come from? Manufactured by the Citadel thanks to the resources provided by the Crucible. Again: Tools, organisation, and resources.

You just have to think bigger. It's Sci-Fi, after all. At some point in the future we're going to look back at us, today, and realise how incredibly primitive we are. This will be seen as the middle ages, a dark time where we lacked in so much; where there was so much poverty in the world; and so much sickness and suffering. The whole point of being alive is to strive to overcome those limitations and become something better. Synthesis is just that on a grander scale. We already overcome so many things today with tools, resources, and organisation. But it's not enough.

If we had enough organisation, today, we'd already be building superstructures in space. But sadly there are things getting in the way of that. A lot of it is due to failings in our own nature (largely greed). Still, we have overcome much with our tools, what resources we have available to us, and our organisation. Synthesis is just that on a much, much grander scale.

ahhh, looking for the choices menu author(s) and crucible design team,eh.

good luck with that..

[Wayning_Star]

JMJ_91 wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

JMJ_91 wrote...

Right, I see your point, that's why Snythesis is supposed to be the "Good"-ending. I've just got trouble seeing how it would work inside the Mass Effect universe (kinda weird arguing about what's unrealtistic in a sci-fi game )

Well, you seem nice enough, so I'll continue this...

I guess I don't understand what the problem is from the perspective of the Mass Effect Universe. It's all about tools (your technology), resources, and organisation. If your tools are flexible and advanced enough, then eventually you'll be able to do damn near anything. I've heard the term "digital reality" come up a lot lately in regards to physics research, and what we're finding is that everything is actually much more simple than we originally bleieved it to be. Every bit as messy, certainly, but still not at all a grand, incomprehensible thing.

The reapers were built by a race that was far, far ahead of us in regards to their understanding of the Universe. The resrouces were provided by the catalyst, the tool was the Citadel, the Catalyst had clearly been planning this for quite some time, and the tools are hugely flexible and greatly advanced (millennia beyond our own). I've often theorised that the Catalyst leaked the Crucible simply because it wanted to be in a situation where it could provide other solutions, where it could prove to the reaper consensus that the original solution could no longer work. It tried to create that situation, much to the chagrin of the reaper consensus.

Many times the Alliance pointed out that they had no clue what they were building, but the instructions for building it were so surprisingly simple and elegant, so much so that they could build this thing without even knowing what it was. This is what leads me to believe that the Crucible itself was a Catalyst plan, leaked to every cycle in the hopes that one of them would be able to build it, so that the Catalyst could initiate a new solution.

Look at the technology we've witnessed already. The quarians and the geth are incredibly advanced, anyway. EDI was a marvellous piece of engineering, essentially a man-made sapient life form... now just up the ante and realise what the reapers could do with their technology. The relays could be used as a transmission medium for whatever they want. Couple the relays as a transmission medium with self-replicating nanotechnology and things begin to make more sense. This is how it 'spreads' everywhere.

And really, the relays are reaper tech, so they're likely easily programmed to perform any number of tasks. When you look at how we already have hardware that we can program to reshape itself, even circuitboards which we can tell to take a certain shape and be a certain thing, on a grander scale, a reaper relay is likely capable of so, so much more.

Where would this nanotech come from? Manufactured by the Citadel thanks to the resources provided by the Crucible. Again: Tools, organisation, and resources.

You just have to think bigger. It's Sci-Fi, after all. At some point in the future we're going to look back at us, today, and realise how incredibly primitive we are. This will be seen as the middle ages, a dark time where we lacked in so much; where there was so much poverty in the world; and so much sickness and suffering. The whole point of being alive is to strive to overcome those limitations and become something better. Synthesis is just that on a grander scale. We already overcome so many things today with tools, resources, and organisation. But it's not enough.

If we had enough organisation, today, we'd already be building superstructures in space. But sadly there are things getting in the way of that. A lot of it is due to failings in our own nature (largely greed). Still, we have overcome much with our tools, what resources we have available to us, and our organisation. Synthesis is just that on a much, much grander scale.

Fair enough, you've made a compelling point for the synthesis. Still not the ending I favor, but I defintively see where you're coming from. Like I said, a beam changing DNA-structure is just a little "too far fetched" for my own liking inside the ME lore

not that the big bang theory is far fetched.. (but is it far fetched enough?)

[JMJ_91]

We're getting waaaay too deep here

You can't compare that

Modifié par JMJ_91, 11 février 2013 - 09:53 .

[frostajulie]

Until Bioware fixes the sense of accomplishment that is severely 100% lacking at the end of ME3 I can't stand to play the game. Yet I love ME the series so much that I can't bear to delete the game. I just wish I could, in the end win. I am a refuser, I don't give a **** about " oh you can't win they say so in the game derp derp"

They say a lot of things in this game and throughout the series that Shepard proved was untrue. I don't care if Shepard dies and the citidel blows up and it takes centuries to rebuild galactic civilization to what it once was. The fact of the matter is Shepard had a track record She always did the impossible and won by uniting disparate factions and using that strength to win.

There was an implied contract between the writers and players that this was Shepards MO. They completely reneged on their part.

There is no sense of victory at the end no sense of satisfaction. Every ending except refuse is just a compromise of choosing what you believe to be the least evil option. Refuse, the only option I will ever accept, is immediate defeat which would be fine at low EMS but at high EMS should have ended similar to ME1 and ME2 a rising swell of music and a cameo of all your squaddies and Shepard either smiling as she comes out of the rubble or the ending scene where the crew puts her name on the wall and maybe a statue with the words never forget fade out on ME epic theme music.

I accept that it will not change but I will not ever be ok with how it ended. I played a trilogy only to lose at the end. That sucks.

But I still enjoy ME1 and 2 so it has not apparantly hit me as hard as many of my other fellow fans. I guess I was one of the lucky ones. But Now I play Skyrim and am learning how to play a completely different kind of game so if Bioware doesn't make games for me anymore, so what. Other companies do.

[PMC65]

I must confess that after seeing the initial ending I was confused. What the frack had I just seen? Was my choice the incorrect one? I played all three different endings and it was as if all of them were incomplete.

In this confused state I came to the BSN to see what my pea brain was missing only to see that I was not alone. There were also others pointing out "plot holes" but I didn't really care ... I just wanted to understand what that non-ending "purchase more DLC" ending meant.

Then the whole "whiny, entitled gamer" moniker was thrown out and I went from being confused to angry. I had not come to the BSN to whine or demand that Bioware give me my ending ... I just didn't know what ending they thought they had given me.

As the BSN, gaming sites and even Bioware themselves began to dig their trenches I pulled away ... confused and now angry at the whole thing. It was made even worse after I had celebrated ME3's launch at the Bioware party in LA. I had seen the voice actors, Casey Hudson and Mac Walters all excited about what we (the fans) were about to experience.

How could Casey and his team get the ending so wrong? I asked myself. Then I thought of the voice actors, the fans and everyone that had been involved in ME3 and I felt sad. Sad that it had not turned out as everyone had hoped ... So now I was confused, angry and sad. Eck!

Cut to almost a year later and while I am no longer angry, I am still confused how anyone thought that ending fit Shepard's story ... how no one at Bioware saw it and voiced concern. I'm also still a little sad that ME3 had not been a positive experience and that I've never played it again to the end ... no, the EC did not fix it for me. 

On a positive note, if a video game ending was my greatest disappointment of 2012 then I am truly blessed in life. 

[Sovereign330]

Pre EC-bummed
Post EC-content
Post Leviathan-fine

[CosmicGnosis]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

I think the point of Synthesis was to present us with the technological Singularity, if you're familiar with that term. It's not about understanding everything, as we don't right now, it's about the rationale that if we continue evolving technology and the sciences, eventually we'll be able to leave nature and mortality behind. Nature and mortality tend to result in a lot of suffering, a lot of death, and some people embrace that death as they're unable to think outside of their small world perceptions, they're stuck in a very small box. Synthesis is for those that want to dream bigger.

For those, like myself, it's a conclusion wchich fits our ideals. It presents a future mostly sans suffering, it changes the human condition. We no longer have to be beasts reliant on instinct. Similar to the reapers, we will no longer be slaves to our own biologically programming. If you've been following scientific research at all, a lot of it is pretty much to overturn nature's own code. Curing diabetes recently had an interesting milestone, as did a potential future cure for cognitive decline (the lack of new neurons being created in old age).

Much of what we do is meant to augment our natural selves, to go past our own shortcomings. That shiny iPhone or Android phone you might have is a side-effect of that desire. A hundred years ago, you wouldn't be able to immediately and directly call a hospital or the police out on the street like you can now. This is all augmentation of the human condition, it's about overcoming our shortcomings and rebuilding ourselves into better creatures. Bionic eyes recently went on sale as a product to cure blindness (no, really). Every day we take another step towards the Singularity.

The Singularity is the event where we pretty much step aside from nature, because we have no more use for it, and we've taken evolution into our own hands. Essentially, we're free of nature's biological coding. And if you think about it, that's much of what Mass Effect 3 represents - everyone is a slave to their code. The synthetics are, the organics are, the reapers are. And yet we all want something better, and we strive for better things. Legion striving to provide code to allow his people to become truly sapient is reminiscent of our own struggle.

So, for a mind like mine, Synthesis isn't at all difficult to accept. It's the natural culmination of everything. It's what we're all heading towards, anyway. Every intelligent mind strives to escape the boundaries of nature. Every intelligent mind wants to undo damages brought about by us being natural creatures. If it wasn't for that drive, we wouldn't have people working on cures for the big bads, like cancer and STDs. The point of the Singularity is that at that point, those concerns stop being concerns, we're no longer slaves to the fear of them.

Synthesis represents that turning point. A point where we can all connect to a galactic consensus to share thoughts and emotions, where we could back up our very minds to it, where we could upgrade our bodies to the point where they are so different that we're barely a part of the human condition any more, where we could instead just leave our bodies behind and just become a part of a living spaceship. Those are very far-fetched notions right now, but it's, frankly, awesome ideas like those that we strive for. Those are the long term goals for us.

The ultimate purpose of humanity is to defeat the human condition and recreate it as something entirely our own.

Synthesis provides the chance to do just that, to finally be free of all concerns and take personal evolution into your own hands. It's pretty much the ultimate future, the point where we transcend from the human condition into something else. Yes, i'm a transhumanist, but for obvious reasons. Of course, the opposite end of this is being a luddite, where you absolutely hate any and all forms of advancement (only perhaps barely tolerating those you were born into). I always feel sad for luddites, because they're going to end up as those old people who long for 'the days when.' (And they might become those old people as early as the age of 30 depending on how much they hate modern technology.)

Whereas I'm quite a bit along that road myself, past middle age and still going strong. I'll be as ready for new technology when I'm 80 as I am today, and I will continue to feel sorry for those that aren't.

But yes, that's what Synthesis represents: The inevitable tomorrow.

I don't see why that's a bad thing, one step too far, or hard to understand.

I agree with most of this post, but I hate the fact that Synthesis is forced upon every being in the galaxy. I hate it. It completely ruins Synthesis. It invalidates everything that Synthesis is supposed to represent. People complain that BioWare ruined their Destroy ending. Well, I think that BioWare ruined my Synthesis ending.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 11 février 2013 - 10:19 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I stayed away from the spoilers forum. I stayed away from the leaked scripts. I wish I hadn't.

I hated the bloody ending with a passion. I felt empty afterward. I didn't play a game for two weeks. Then I played NBA 2K11. It had a better ending. I lost my first game, and it was a close one, but I didn't feel empty. The second game I won by one point by getting that dunk to tie and sinking one free throw at the buzzer to win. I remembered what gaming was about.

But Shepard. Shepard... I put 1200 hrs into the first two games, and I got that crap ending after five years of waiting. I chose destroy. I did everything. I did the multi-player just to make sure I got the best endings. I scoured the galaxy to make sure I had the war assets. THIS SUMS UP MY FEELINGS PERFECTLY. Shepard has been in a pile of rubble since March 22, 2012 @ 3:20 a.m. PST when she took a gasp of air and has been holding it. Someone please help her.

I have moved on. Thanks to Mr. Fob I can ignore the ending altogther, and be reunited with Liara. I don't even have to look at that starbrat. It isn't the ending I wanted, but it is better than I got.

[Landon7001]

I agree with the OP and most of your comments. We pretty much were all confused then raged and were ultimately dissapointed. I,too, desire a conversation with the creators, absolutely. The ec helped, no doubt, and I'm torn because despite this, in most decent games that wouldnt have needed an unprecedented fan uprising to be included, a proper ending would've already been there AND the thematic and logic problems are still there and the ultimate remorse and regret and lament about what might have/should have been will likely never fully fade, the rest of the serie is just too good for it to. SO, ultimately not much has chaged, the negative sentiment remains but I'm trying to just be thankful for the EC that we got despite everything, because I just love this series so much.

[Lionel Ou]

Post original ending I was quite... angry and disappointed. About both the writing and the execution of the ending. So I waited for the EC. While I waited I figured out something else, the rest of the game isn't very good either. A decent FPS paired with large areas of lackluster writing and the occasional highlights.

Then came the EC. While changing a pile of chicken **** for a pile of horse **** might make the pile smell sweeter, it doesn't change the fact that it is still a pile of ****.

Then I played Alpha Protocol and now I play Dungeonland.

[Landon7001]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

I think the point of Synthesis was to present us with the technological Singularity, if you're familiar with that term. It's not about understanding everything, as we don't right now, it's about the rationale that if we continue evolving technology and the sciences, eventually we'll be able to leave nature and mortality behind. Nature and mortality tend to result in a lot of suffering, a lot of death, and some people embrace that death as they're unable to think outside of their small world perceptions, they're stuck in a very small box. Synthesis is for those that want to dream bigger.

For those, like myself, it's a conclusion wchich fits our ideals. It presents a future mostly sans suffering, it changes the human condition. We no longer have to be beasts reliant on instinct. Similar to the reapers, we will no longer be slaves to our own biologically programming. If you've been following scientific research at all, a lot of it is pretty much to overturn nature's own code. Curing diabetes recently had an interesting milestone, as did a potential future cure for cognitive decline (the lack of new neurons being created in old age).

Much of what we do is meant to augment our natural selves, to go past our own shortcomings. That shiny iPhone or Android phone you might have is a side-effect of that desire. A hundred years ago, you wouldn't be able to immediately and directly call a hospital or the police out on the street like you can now. This is all augmentation of the human condition, it's about overcoming our shortcomings and rebuilding ourselves into better creatures. Bionic eyes recently went on sale as a product to cure blindness (no, really). Every day we take another step towards the Singularity.

The Singularity is the event where we pretty much step aside from nature, because we have no more use for it, and we've taken evolution into our own hands. Essentially, we're free of nature's biological coding. And if you think about it, that's much of what Mass Effect 3 represents - everyone is a slave to their code. The synthetics are, the organics are, the reapers are. And yet we all want something better, and we strive for better things. Legion striving to provide code to allow his people to become truly sapient is reminiscent of our own struggle.

So, for a mind like mine, Synthesis isn't at all difficult to accept. It's the natural culmination of everything. It's what we're all heading towards, anyway. Every intelligent mind strives to escape the boundaries of nature. Every intelligent mind wants to undo damages brought about by us being natural creatures. If it wasn't for that drive, we wouldn't have people working on cures for the big bads, like cancer and STDs. The point of the Singularity is that at that point, those concerns stop being concerns, we're no longer slaves to the fear of them.

Synthesis represents that turning point. A point where we can all connect to a galactic consensus to share thoughts and emotions, where we could back up our very minds to it, where we could upgrade our bodies to the point where they are so different that we're barely a part of the human condition any more, where we could instead just leave our bodies behind and just become a part of a living spaceship. Those are very far-fetched notions right now, but it's, frankly, awesome ideas like those that we strive for. Those are the long term goals for us.

The ultimate purpose of humanity is to defeat the human condition and recreate it as something entirely our own.

Synthesis provides the chance to do just that, to finally be free of all concerns and take personal evolution into your own hands. It's pretty much the ultimate future, the point where we transcend from the human condition into something else. Yes, i'm a transhumanist, but for obvious reasons. Of course, the opposite end of this is being a luddite, where you absolutely hate any and all forms of advancement (only perhaps barely tolerating those you were born into). I always feel sad for luddites, because they're going to end up as those old people who long for 'the days when.' (And they might become those old people as early as the age of 30 depending on how much they hate modern technology.)

Whereas I'm quite a bit along that road myself, past middle age and still going strong. I'll be as ready for new technology when I'm 80 as I am today, and I will continue to feel sorry for those that aren't.

But yes, that's what Synthesis represents: The inevitable tomorrow.

I don't see why that's a bad thing, one step too far, or hard to understand.

I agree with most of this post, but I hate the fact that Synthesis is forced upon every being in the galaxy. I hate it. It completely ruins Synthesis. It invalidates everything that Synthesis is supposed to represent. People complain that BioWare ruined their Destroy ending. Well, I think that BioWare ruined my Synthesis ending.

Very intriguing and intellectual. I do agree for the most part. However, I dont like that its forced on everyone. I also dont like how the synthesis is acomplised. Shepard jumping into a beam of light? Its idiotic and juvenile, rudimentary writing with half-assedness connotations. THEY COULD HAVE/SHOULD HAVE DONE BETTER. They were capable.

[AlanC9]

Auld Wulf wrote...
Many times the Alliance pointed out that they had no clue what they were building, but the instructions for building it were so surprisingly simple and elegant, so much so that they could build this thing without even knowing what it was. This is what leads me to believe that the Crucible itself was a Catalyst plan, leaked to every cycle in the hopes that one of them would be able to build it, so that the Catalyst could initiate a new solution.

This would  make much more sense if coupled with an argument that Harbinger and the Reapers are opposed to this vision. They're not exactly going out of their way to make the Crucible easy to use.

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 février 2013 - 10:35 .

[TheDeadYoshi]

I will always have a problem with ME3. Mainly because the the first two games made the fictional universe seem so huge, my imagination went wild thinking about all the possibilities and ME3 sort of ruined all of that. I never wanted to know where the reapers came from, I didn't need to know why they function the way they do, I got enough exposition from Sovereign in ME1, I only wanted to see what the outcome would be in the final battle, having made so many decisions and some mistakes. I wanted only consequences not more exposition.

[Dubozz]

Yeah, ending sucks even year later. It's still a mystery to me how...ah whatever

[Kaos_Scorpio]

My only complaint is that victory had to be handed to me.If Shep died setting off the crucible I would be fine, but unfortunately that isn't the case. The ending reminded me of the ending of Star Wars, ultimately Luke couldn't finish the job so his dad had to give him the victory. If Shep wasn't given victory in the form of 3 choices, 2 of those choices are basically what the reapers already wanted, I wouldn't be angry. I still love the journey to bad the destination was Wal-Mart and not Valhalla.

[GreyLycanTrope]

AlanC9 wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...
Many times the Alliance pointed out that they had no clue what they were building, but the instructions for building it were so surprisingly simple and elegant, so much so that they could build this thing without even knowing what it was. This is what leads me to believe that the Crucible itself was a Catalyst plan, leaked to every cycle in the hopes that one of them would be able to build it, so that the Catalyst could initiate a new solution.

This would  make much more sense if coupled with an argument that Harbinger and the Reapers are opposed to this vision. They're not exactly going out of their way to make the Crucible easy to use.

Not to mention why the Catalyst wouldn't just build the damned thing himself then throw a random organic at the beam? He doesn't paricularly care for individual rights.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 11 février 2013 - 11:21 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I have more or less come to terms with the fact that the ending was and still is terrible. But then again, the ending was already critically injured since ME2's intro for me.

[AlanC9]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Not to mention why the Catalyst wouldn't just build the damned thing himself then throw a random organic at the beam? He doesn't paricularly care for individual rights.

Well, you can just handwave that one with the organic needing to understand and accept the process. Psychic nonsense is already a feature of the setting, so just throw a little more in.

[MegaSovereign]

If I was still seriously upset about anything a year later then I would seek some help from a friend or family. Or in this case, I'd cope by trying to forget about it. I'd try alternatives.

[JMJ_91]

Easy, big guy

[anmiro]

A resounding NO! Even though the RGB ending is pretty bad, (and doesn't hold up to any kind of scrutiny) I could probably see past it and just elect the Indoctrination Theory as my canon ending. What I can't stand about the final mission is that after choosing two squadmates to accompany me for the final assault, everyone else just stays behind and does nothing. At one point we see Anderson leading troops into the frey, but there is no explanation as to what everyone else is doing during the final assualt and that drives me crazy. Look at the ending of ME2, Shepard utilizes all squadmembers for the final assault on the collector base. Yes, he only takes two squad members with him, but every other character has been assigned a task (and is ultimately accounted for in the story.) The final assault on the collector base is the only mission where we get to see Shepard truly being a battlefield Commander and not just a squad leader.

I expected the final mission of the franchise to be the most epic, but its not; theres really nothing about the
final mission to set it apart from any other mission in the trilogy.

Modifié par anmiro, 11 février 2013 - 11:42 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

AlanC9 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Not to mention why the Catalyst wouldn't just build the damned thing himself then throw a random organic at the beam? He doesn't paricularly care for individual rights.

Well, you can just handwave that one with the organic needing to understand and accept the process. Psychic nonsense is already a feature of the setting, so just throw a little more in.

I'd rather not if it's all the same to you

[MegaSovereign]

JMJ_91 wrote...

Easy, big guy

Are you calling me fat because I'm volus? Volus don't have fat. It's all skin dude.