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[PainCakesx]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

JMJ_91 wrote...

Easy, big guy

Are you calling me fat because I'm volus? Volus don't have fat. It's all skin dude.

Vol-clan aren't fat, they're just big boned. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

PainCakesx wrote...

The-Biotic-God wrote...

JMJ_91 wrote...

Easy, big guy

Are you calling me fat because I'm volus? Volus don't have fat. It's all skin dude.

Vol-clan aren't fat, they're just big boned. 

Full of hot air more like. Bet we could make balloons out of them.

[Hurbster]

JMJ_91 wrote...

Hey,

I've just gotten around to play ME 3 through for a second time, because I wanted to see the Omega/Leviathan DLC (both very good) and the Extended Cut for myself.

I, as many of you, was pretty pissed about the original endings, I don't want to go into too much detail, as basically everything has been said, but when after putting at least 100-150. into a franchise it leaves you unsatisfied in the end, something is wrong.

That being said, I really appreciate, the Extended Cut, it really shows, that Bioware cares (they can't be happy about the backlash themselves) and it manages to salvage some stuff at least, but still none of the 4 options give me feeling of "Mission Accomplished" I had after defeating Saren or managing to pull my whole squad alive out of the Collector Base. I get that it is difficult to say "Oh look, a happy ending! Ponies and rainbows for everyone!" after a war that has destroyed a s'''t-ton of galactic civilization, but still.

In the end I'll always pick destroy, even if it means synthetic suicide (RIGHT AFTER PROVING THE BRAT WRONG, BY REUNITING GETH AND QUARIANS, goddamnit!), because even though Snythesis is kinda the "best" ending (everyone's alive, and equal, no mass murder etc.) it just is one too much.
I'm aware that we're talking about a sci-fi game, but what I really like about ME is that everything is explained, like, sure we have FTL and it works like this and that, or sure, our guns never run out of ammo, because of this and that.
But a magic beam, rewriting everyones DNA? What? I can buy the destroy option and its EMP-like shockwave at least. Also wasn't strength through equality always kinda of dominant theme throughout the series? For your squad and in the end for brining together the whole galactic community? Why lose that?

In any case, this is just some stuff that went through my head, after replaying ME3.
How do you feel about it, still as upset about it?

Endings are still rubbish, with a few sprinkles on thanks to the EC. Huge gaping plot-holes, an ass-pull of starbrat in the last 10 minutes and Bioware trying so hard to influence us to choose Synthesis. 

I chose destroy, MY Shepherd lives. And artistic integrity be damned, finish the bloody trilogy off properly.

[samgurl775]

I was angry at first. Now I just get disappointed and depressed when I think about the ending. The game just has SO MUCH wasted potential.

[Mathias]

samgurl775 wrote...

I was angry at first. Now I just get disappointed and depressed when I think about the ending. The game just has SO MUCH wasted potential.

This.

And apparently they have no interest in saving face with this next DLC either. Was I expecting them to change the ending? No. But they could've given us some post ending goodness, perhaps an extension to the existing endings, or a revamped Priority Mission Earth.

But no. They chose to have the awful ending continue to overshadow the franchise. Mass Effect will just be another addition to the book of "What Could've Been." Whatever. I've got Cyberpunk 2077 to look forward to anyways. If they want the ending to continue to haunt their career, then be my guest.

[Lionel Ou]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Cyberpunk 2077

And Wasteland 2!

[Abraham_uk]

You know the story and campaign discussion is flooded with very similar threads.

They all have varying degrees of disappointment.

Some are mildly upset. Some are vengeful.
The message is generally the same. Not many people on BSN liked the endings.


I don't know how BioWare deal with feedback but this is definitely a problem.
If the fan base is upset, they'll probably boycott future games...
Judging by the raging in DA2 and ME 3 forum sections, there's going to be a lot of boycotting.

[StayFrosty05]

I'm here until the last SP DLC...hope springing eternal that BW might actually have a change of heart and give us a decent ending....if they fail to do so, once burnt twice shy, I won't be picking up anymore BW franchise games, I don't need a repeat....Loved ME so much and so much detroyed in the last 10 minutes of the game....

EDIT: Noting above post....it's not so much an intentional boycott on my behalf...I just simply don't want to get burnt again.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 12 février 2013 - 12:46 .

[Mathias]

Abraham_uk wrote...

You know the story and campaign discussion is flooded with very similar threads.

They all have varying degrees of disappointment.

Some are mildly upset. Some are vengeful.
The message is generally the same. Not many people on BSN liked the endings.


I don't know how BioWare deal with feedback but this is definitely a problem.
If the fan base is upset, they'll probably boycott future games...
Judging by the raging in DA2 and ME 3 forum sections, there's going to be a lot of boycotting.

The Extended Cut was Bioware's saving throw, and they rolled a 2. In a nutshell what did the EC do? It explained The Catalyst and choices better, it filled in some plot holes, and had a little more closure. But it still wasn't the ending that thie biggest trilogy in gaming deserved.

Once you make the choice at the end, you don't really see any of the characters from the series interact with each other, or say anything. We don't get to know their input on what just happened, or the death of their Commander. You get a monologue from somebody, some cheap slideshow, and a poor man's version of a memorial scene that should've been a helluva lot more grande for the greatest hero in galactic history.

Granted the EC was better than the Original Cut, but that's faint praise because the Original Cut was so bad that a lot of people didn't even think it was real. They literally thought it was a joke, or some kind of fake out set up by Bioware before they deliver the real thing.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 12 février 2013 - 12:45 .

[PsiMatrix]

My opinion now and before

Modifié par PsiMatrix, 12 février 2013 - 12:46 .

[IanPolaris]

To answer the OP's question, I am no longer angry or worked up about it. Pretty much ever since the EC, I have given up on Bioware (and the DA3 rumors seem to indicate that I am correct in this assessment). Bioware apparently is no longer interested in making games I enjoy to play. I find this very sad and even a little upsetting, but there is no point in being angry about it any more. It is what it is.

-Polaris

[Legbiter]

Was enraged at the initial ending, liked the EC. Moved on eons ago.

[HiddenInWar]

Came to terms with it, especially after the EC which I liked. I look forward to the future of the series.

[Mathias]

PsiMatrix wrote...

My opinion now and before

Yeah? Here's my reaction to the whole ending thing:

[RogueBot]

I try to keep realistic expectations concerning video-game storytelling, so I was never that upset, and was not surprised to see a dip in quality (shame it had to come at the end, though).

Take away the emotional involvement you get from controlling the protagonist, and what you see is a pretty generic sci-fi plot (with some interesting characters mixed in).

Bioware is still better at it than most, and they do have a lot of talented writers. Most of the series was pretty great!

[Abraham_uk]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Came to terms with it, especially after the EC which I liked. I look forward to the future of the series.

Me too:wizard:

[N7-RedFox]

I still want a proper ending for Destroy. Either Shepard gets up after the breath scene or his/her love interest finds him/her lying there long to say their goodbyes just before he passes away (like Thane).

The fact that Bioware gave us a cliff-hanger like that and then told us we'd NEVER find out what happens because Shepard will NOT be in ME4 really pisses me off. They should have shown us him dead for sure or alive for sure. Not maybe he's dead or maybe he's alive. Maybe is not a f***ing conclusion.

Control and Synthesis are absolutes and work just fine. But Destroy is unfinished business.

Modifié par N7-RedFox, 12 février 2013 - 01:34 .

[Wayning_Star]

N7-RedFox wrote...

I still want a proper ending for Destroy. Either Shepard gets up after the breath scene or his/her love interest finds him/her lying there long to say their goodbyes.

The fact that Bioware gave us a cliffhanger like that then told us we'd NEVER find out what happens because Shepard will NOT be in ME4 really pisses me off. They should have shown us him dead for sure or alive for sure. Not maybe he's dead or maybe he's alive. Maybe is not a f***ing conclusion.

maybe shep just got up , brushed off the dust of destruction and figured enough is enough of this epic finale..

a lot of weird stuff happens in galactic wars...

[N7 Spectre525]

Time hasn't healed these wounds. Shepard deserved so much more than pick your color of suicide. I've pretty much excepted the fact that Bioware is pretty much done as far as Im concerned.
It will take a helluva review for me to even think about picking up Dragon Age 3 after the mess of DA2 and ME3.
So much wasted potential it hurts.

[CPTHughJardon]

N7-RedFox wrote...

I still want a proper ending for Destroy. Either Shepard gets up after the breath scene or his/her love interest finds him/her lying there long to say their goodbyes just before he passes away (like Thane).

The fact that Bioware gave us a cliff-hanger like that and then told us we'd NEVER find out what happens because Shepard will NOT be in ME4 really pisses me off. They should have shown us him dead for sure or alive for sure. Not maybe he's dead or maybe he's alive. Maybe is not a f***ing conclusion.

agreed

at the time i thought the endings were an insult to my intelligence,i still do,i just think in this case time isn't a great healer it just makes me not give a crap about it and BW.i still can't quite understand where the definitive ending is we were promised if you pick destroy.how BW can claim its a definitive end to shepards story then leave the last scene in the final chapter of a trilogy as a cliff-hanger is beyond me.when i first finished the game i honestly thought their intention was dlc alterations to it but  well we all know how thats turned out

[Kabooooom]

Nah. You know what ending I really liked? The ending to Reach. A valiant fight to the death, against hopeless odds. You know they are hopeless, but **** it, you fight anyway. So that's how I headcanon my ME3 ending lol. And you know, with the final part of priority Earth on insanity it isn't overly hard to get wiped out. That's what my Shep would do. I much prefer that over bending down before the Catalyst. So the ending doesn't bother me that much anymore, lol.

[MrFob]

(answering to the thread title)
Frankly, I have not. I probably would have if there would have been some sort of dialogue with the writers and developers, so that we could get a bit more insight into their thoughts while coming up with all of this and some honest discussion on the moral implications. However, as it stands I still can't help but feel that the team itself has abandoned their own story at the very end. To be honest, that's what upsets me more than the ending itself.

Modifié par MrFob, 12 février 2013 - 01:46 .

[Benchpress610]

MrFob wrote...

(answering to the thread title)
Frankly, I have not. I probably would have if there would have been some sort of dialogue with the writers and developers, so that we could get a bit more insight into their thoughts while coming up with all of this and some honest discussion on the moral implications. However, as it stands I still can't help but feel that the team itself has abandoned their own story at the very end. To be honest, that's what upsets me more than the ending itself.

MrFob, you hit the nail on the head. More than the ending what disappointed me the most was the way BioWare staff handled the backlash. Rather than an honest and open discussion with their most loyal fans, they came up with only a few official statements implying that we the players were too thick to understand the writers “artistic vision”
 
Unfortunately I haven’t seen any indications that their attitude has change a bit.

Modifié par Benchpress610, 12 février 2013 - 02:11 .

[AlanC9]

N7-RedFox wrote...
The fact that Bioware gave us a cliff-hanger like that and then told us we'd NEVER find out what happens because Shepard will NOT be in ME4 really pisses me off. They should have shown us him dead for sure or alive for sure. Not maybe he's dead or maybe he's alive. Maybe is not a f***ing conclusion.

Control and Synthesis are absolutes and work just fine. But Destroy is unfinished business.

We need to find a better metaphor than cliff-hanger if we want to talk about the endings being ambiguous. Nobody ever actually falls off of the cliff in a cliff-hanger.

[Argentoid]

They MIGHT talk about the ending with all the details after the final DLC gets released.