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[Ryzaki]

AsheraII wrote...

It's simple: eyecandy sells. Without it, a game like Skyrim wouldn't even have sold from the bargainbin.
I'll stick to Mass Effect though, I simply like its setting a lot better

As for EDI: she used the burned android body of Dr Eva, which was supposed to look extremely human in every way. What else did you expect? Dr. Eva infiltrating the Mars expedition looking like a Geth or a LOKI mech or something?

The skin was charred off the body, so after cleaning up, only the metallics were left. Now try to dress up a human-shaped metallic robot without it looking rediculous. The best attempts to do so were made by Sorayama Hajime, and he too figured out that the less clothing, the better the result.

Yes, EDI's body may look sexy, but it makes sense in every way. They could've picked a different storyline option to give her a body, but in that case, you would've ended up with a LOKI mech, the dog version in the worst case.

I'm sorry but what? Have you SEEN the chicks in Skyrim? 

[spirosz]

Ryzaki wrote...
I'm sorry but what? Have you SEEN the chicks in Skyrim? 

Yeah... unless the person is talking about mods that people come with.

[nos_astra]

AsheraII wrote...
Dr. Eva was the infiltration unit, and she was designed to look perfectly human, with a perfect semblance of skin over it, so clothes looked completely normal on her as well. The skin tissue got removed before EDI took over, resulting in a metallic skin. Clothes don't look good on metallic skin because they make absolutely no sense.

Just a hint: Female breasts are soft and move. Having metal breasts with a bit of skin over them is unnatural and would draw attention to them. Of course, you'd design fake breasts by imitating the real thing or it's as silly as having metal hair painted brown.

Modifié par klarabella, 12 février 2013 - 02:58 .

[crimzontearz]

klarabella wrote...

AsheraII wrote...
Dr. Eva was the infiltration unit, and she was designed to look perfectly human, with a perfect semblance of skin over it, so clothes looked completely normal on her as well. The skin tissue got removed before EDI took over, resulting in a metallic skin. Clothes don't look good on metallic skin because they make absolutely no sense.

Just a hint: Female breasts are soft and move. Having metal breasts with a bit of skin over them is unnatural and would draw attention to them. Of course, you'd design fake breasts by imitating the real thing or it's as silly as having metal hair painted brown.

pay attention to the conversations, she explains she can harden/soften her skin/flesh at will and she can allow her hair to split into individual strands or coalesce them into the helmet-like form you see them in now, she also makes a joke about how she does not know what to do with them if they get wet. Donnely comments on the fact she has "padding" as well and wishes he was a wall for her to walk into

Modifié par crimzontearz, 12 février 2013 - 03:17 .

[ZajoE38]

I think it's about roleplay and game universe. I love sexy women. I like Miranda, she looks good. But it is awful when there is a woman in swim dress in the middle of a major firefight when you should wear armor. Now Ashley loose hair - women don't have loose hair in the military service. Maybe on shore leave and off-duty, but not in the service. And I have no problem with EDI, she had perfect curves and she is a robot - her skin is her armor

[Obadiah]

Found this image of Ash in another thread. The hair down just doesn't seem appropriate.

Modifié par Obadiah, 12 février 2013 - 03:25 .

[TheRevanchist]

CynicalShep wrote...

The main problem is Bioware thinking that sexy-time is more important than common sense. In what skewed and twisted little world is this ...



considered better looking than this ...



This isn't Jersey Shore. Or, at least I thought it wasn't.

oh god........I miss the real Ashley so much Q_Q.....

[Mouton_Alpha]

darkway1 wrote...

I love sexy characters,it's all part and parcel of the escapism......sexier the better.

There are specialized media materials for that, you know.

One of the main things I play Bioware games for, are relatively human characters. Becoming cheap oversexualized caricatures of themselves hurts this impression. But, of course, to each their own.

[nos_astra]

crimzontearz wrote...
pay attention to the conversations, she explains she can harden/soften her skin/flesh at will and she can allow her hair to split into individual strands or coalesce them into the helmet-like form you see them in now, she also makes a joke about how she does not know what to do with them if they get wet. Donnely comments on the fact she has "padding" as well and wishes he was a wall for her to walk into

And is this explanation the reason she was created like this (Someone thought that an inflitration unit totally needs breasts that can be hardened into metal and hair that can turn into a helmet? What would that be good for?) or was it that that they created an oversexualized design for EDI and then made up some reason to rationalize it.

It's weird. But I suppose, I can see why people are ok with it.

Modifié par klarabella, 12 février 2013 - 04:02 .

[1337b0r0m1r]

AsheraII wrote...

It's simple: eyecandy sells. Without it, a game like Skyrim wouldn't even have sold from the bargainbin.

(...) 

Skyrim, really?
The must be one of the least sexists games there is. Female armor is nothing more revealing than male armor. Male and female barbarian-type characters or hot spring dwellers are equally scantily clad. The most sexist thing you can see in Skyrim, and that only rarely, is the opulent cleavage of a barmaid. There are also many truly strong, independent female characters, as shallow as characterization in Skyrim generally is.

Modifié par 1337b0r0m1r, 12 février 2013 - 04:03 .

[Knottedredloc]

Ryzaki wrote...

AsheraII wrote...

It's simple: eyecandy sells. Without it, a game like Skyrim wouldn't even have sold from the bargainbin.
I'll stick to Mass Effect though, I simply like its setting a lot better

I'm sorry but what? Have you SEEN the chicks in Skyrim? 

HA! This person must have NEVER played Skyrim.  Skyrim!?!  LOL!

Modifié par Knottedredloc, 12 février 2013 - 04:07 .

[1337b0r0m1r]

Or maybe he/she (probably he) just forgot how Skyrim looks like without mods.

[Karlone123]

As what the other have stated, deliberately "sexifying" a character can be a bit repulsive. I liked Ashley's military look with her tied up, it felt realistic but then it looked like she was made to look like a model with makeup on which put me off her. She could let her hair down when she isn't in combat and then tie it back up when in combat, But the whole "supermodel with a gun look" does not appeal to me. It was like she was made to look like Miranda with wavy hair and all..

Modifié par Karlone123, 12 février 2013 - 05:37 .

[crimzontearz]

klarabella wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
pay attention to the conversations, she explains she can harden/soften her skin/flesh at will and she can allow her hair to split into individual strands or coalesce them into the helmet-like form you see them in now, she also makes a joke about how she does not know what to do with them if they get wet. Donnely comments on the fact she has "padding" as well and wishes he was a wall for her to walk into

And is this explanation the reason she was created like this (Someone thought that an inflitration unit totally needs breasts that can be hardened into metal and hair that can turn into a helmet? What would that be good for?) or was it that that they created an oversexualized design for EDI and then made up some reason to rationalize it.

It's weird. But I suppose, I can see why people are ok with it.

no, the platform's primary function is infiltration. She was designed with realistically looking hair and simulated flesh...said hair and flesh can be hardened/coalesced at will during combat for protection purposes (should her cover be blown I presume)...yes EDI specifies that it is for combat purposes. Since it is an infiltration model platform why exactly NOT make her attractive?

[Obadiah]

The EVA platform is more volumptuous than attractive. That just draws unnecessary attention to it.

Modifié par Obadiah, 12 février 2013 - 05:51 .

[AdmiralCheez]

OP: Do you want me to rant about latent sexism and the male gaze in popular media or should I just leave?

Seriously, this is a complicated and loaded topic. Short answer: It makes me really uncomfortable as a woman when every single female character is sexually objectified. I feel devalued and unwelcome, like it's a boys-only club unless I reduce myself to eye candy. It's not a problem with all video games (and some are far worse than others), but I'm really sick of the "****** or GTFO" mentality that they (sometimes unintentionally) encourage.

PS: Not saying having sexy characters is always bad.  But still, there needs to be variety, and the clothes should match the character.  Isabela (DA2) running around with a low-cut shirt and no pants?  Totally acceptable.  A practical and by-the-book soldier like Ashley dressing like captain of the cheer squad?  Whoa okay no stop.  Also, note that Isabela was countered by Aveline.

PPS: I don't mind EDI's body that much.  It's corny and cliche, but it looks pretty good.  What ruins it for me is the highly visible ****** and all the stupid sex jokes (why does a robot even need a vagina seriously).  Stuff like that really detracts from an otherwise strong, fascinating, and funny character, you know?

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 12 février 2013 - 06:07 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

People just hate me cause I'm purddy.

[thehomeworld]

Sexy is OK for the citadel when you're on shore leave it is however not acceptable or ok in the military or any ship when you're on duty and on ship it is ridiculous that catsuits, space heels, cleavage armor, belt breast covers, and mini skirts are acceptable work and battlefield attire.

It is just a ridiculous as wearing a hospital breathing mask in low presser or biohazard zones and you're magically safe. Inverse armor theory should be done way with when it applies to military games.

ME is also fallowing other games in disrespecting their female players with such outfits unless they're going to make the men all run around in their boxers and look unusually rip to for their female players they can go back to how they had casual and battle attire in ME that showed respect and with BDTS armor they also showed they can show respect yet be creative and sexy with the armor w/o making it out of place and pandering.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 12 février 2013 - 06:47 .

[darkway1]

It saddens me to see threads like this,it means that many people have missed the point of Bioware's amazing character development and design,they can only see what's right in front of their face.

The crusade for reality is killing game design.

[thehomeworld]

Kel Riever wrote...

What I find aggravating is the constant lack of attention to male characters with no money. I mean, if you are going to take the T&A out of games from the female characters, I want a game where manShep is poor and has to fly around the universe in a beat up shuttle that he constantly has to worry about getting gas for. Any relationship in the game he has, has to be one where he gets his expenses paid for him and not the other way around.

Instead of space credits, you would have space debt that your side missions would go to paying off, but never fully because the interest rate would always outpace your income. NPCs would get to tell you what to do and you wouldn't get to decide because you need the money.

Sounds awesome doesn't it?

That would actually be funny however Fshep would also be the same no job no creds girl who owes everybody and whose boyfriend paying her way for everything would then have angry fans making comparasens of her brokechick needing the man to pay as her being akin to an escort. Mshep would then have angry fans saying him needing a girl to pay for him makes him a man****.

So while I'd find this funny as a parody and giving a more realistic tone to the fact that you as the rpg hero is usually dirt poor till the last 4 missions of the game I don't think they'll be taking this junk shuttle to riches route anytime soon.

[Mouton_Alpha]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Seriously, this is a complicated and loaded topic. Short answer: It makes me really uncomfortable as a woman when every single female character is sexually objectified. I feel devalued and unwelcome, like it's a boys-only club unless I reduce myself to eye candy. It's not a problem with all video games (and some are far worse than others), but I'm really sick of the "****** or GTFO" mentality that they (sometimes unintentionally) encourage.

That's how it is sadly, still mostly a "boy club". Thankfully, it is slowly changing.

It is sad, though, that at Bioware the tendency is reversed. Funny how one company can at the same time push sexist imagery and sexual tolerance.

[darkway1]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Seriously, this is a complicated and loaded topic. Short answer: It makes me really uncomfortable as a woman when every single female character is sexually objectified. I feel devalued and unwelcome, like it's a boys-only club unless I reduce myself to eye candy. It's not a problem with all video games (and some are far worse than others), but I'm really sick of the "****** or GTFO" mentality that they (sometimes unintentionally) encourage.

That's how it is sadly, still mostly a "boy club". Thankfully, it is slowly changing.

It is sad, though, that at Bioware the tendency is reversed. Funny how one company can at the same time push sexist imagery and sexual tolerance.

Maybe people want more of Aveline from DA2....she's a warrior so she has a masculine body,full body practical armour,plain practical hair,plain personality......an all round good natured,normal character.???.........wonder how many dated Aveline?

[Ageless Face]

I dont like a sexy character.

I like THE sexy character!

[AdmiralCheez]

darkway1 wrote...

Maybe people want more of Aveline from DA2....she's a warrior so she has a masculine body,full body practical armour,plain practical hair,plain personality......an all round good natured,normal character.???.........wonder how many dated Aveline?

Aveline is awesome and I was sad she wasn't a romance option so shut your face.