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[Mathias]

Jadebaby wrote...

CaptainCommander wrote...
I thought our feedback counted? And this has pretty much been something the entire community has wanted regardless of whether they liked or disliked the ending.

That's a rather good point.. But that's not how BioWare roll.. Our feedback gets incorporated into easter eggs.. Except for the refuse ending, and look how that turned out....

Too bad...

Bioware Edmonton really could've saved face with this one. Oh well. Looks like the ending will continue to forever haunt them.

[Linkforlife]

A quick note: the space battle is not really ending related. Just have more to it, like the Destiny Ascension we sacrifice 1/3 of the fifth fleet to protect or show the Rachni fighting Reaper ground forces.

[devSin]

Sundance31us wrote...

I would much rather have my Shepard interacting with squad-mates and LI rather than watching a Salarian ship getting ripped apart by Reapers.

Indeed. Even if the ending were fixed (the way it is currently, I don't consider it to be worth even vanity adjustments), I'd question the value of this sort of thing. The movies take up a lot of space, and just padding the ending with more static video sequences doesn't seem like a good use of the finite amount they have.

Modifié par devSin, 11 février 2013 - 07:04 .

[inversevideo]

Jadebaby wrote...

CaptainCommander wrote...
I thought our feedback counted? And this has pretty much been something the entire community has wanted regardless of whether they liked or disliked the ending.

That's a rather good point.. But that's not how BioWare roll.. Our feedback gets incorporated into easter eggs.. Except for the refuse ending, and look how that turned out....

I wish we truly had that branching story. That our story choices mattered. That there was an ending that could be rainbows, and one that is failure, or bittersweet, or grim dark. But at some point that concept changed, artist assumed control, and our choices curtailed.

I hated the blind rage I felt over this. I hated the feelings of frustration, hate, powerlessness, I hated I was feeling this over a video game. A video game! There are things like poverty, injustice, racism, sexism, that I should pour some of that energy into preventing. But I had become indoctrinated.

So, I left the SP forum, for awhile. To retake my mind. Too much toxicity, and I was becoming part of problem.
I'm better now. The fury is gone. ME is just a game. One that I am less emotionally enamored with.
I enjoy MP. I liked Leviathan, Omega was fun. I look forward to more DLC. I wait for reviews now. From users, concerning DLC. Not just for BW, but all games. I have a healthier relationship with games.
I retook my mind. It's all good.

Modifié par inversevideo, 11 février 2013 - 06:59 .

[dreamgazer]

CaptainCommander wrote...

I thought our feedback counted? And this has pretty much been something the entire community has wanted regardless of whether they liked or disliked the ending. 

Nope.

I'd much rather see ground war assets in action during Priority: Earth, either artillery or support, than space battle. 

[stonbw1]

[quote]Jadebaby wrote...

[quote]Chris Priestly wrote...

A couple of points:
1 - We have said that the DLC does not change the ending of the game. That would apply to changing movies involved in the ending.

2 - If you've read the twitter comments, you'd know teh DLC is being played and tested by the team currently. At this point, it is basically content complete (meaning nothing more gets added). So anything you request has to already be in the DLC as it is too late to add it in now.


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So this is the final dlc then...?[/quote]

I recall a post here several weeks back relaying a bunch of BW twitter employees saying what sad day it was and how their long journey had come to an end.  So, by translation, yes, this seems to be the final DLC. 

[DeinonSlayer]

Omega was pretty good, Chris, but is there any chance of patching the glaring animation bugs during Aria's speech?


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[Merchant2006]

biowar pls helap

[Slashice]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Omega was pretty good, Chris, but is there any chance of patching the glaring animation bugs during Aria's speech?


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LOL glad to see this isn't just mine ME3 then

Btw a war asset DLC would be really cool. Shame ME3 was rushed in so many ways. Next time please Bioware, if you have any word at your publisher, at EA, please ask for more time, more development time. RPG games, GOOD RPG games needs time to be developed properly. To see through the story, to fix lore incoherents, plot holes, etc. Also I'd like to see DLCs that adds to the original, COMPLETE and FULL game. Not content that has cut off from the original game.

As for the trailer: I guess it will come out one of the tuesdays in the near future (just like DLC will come out in one of the tuesdays).

[squidney2k1]

Chris Priestly wrote...

A couple of points:
1 - We have said that the DLC does not change the ending of the game. That would apply to changing movies involved in the ending.

2 - If you've read the twitter comments, you'd know teh DLC is being played and tested by the team currently. At this point, it is basically content complete (meaning nothing more gets added). So anything you request has to already be in the DLC as it is too late to add it in now.

No space bunnies?

[PMC65]

inversevideo wrote...

@masster blaster - I used to feel that rage. I took a break, from SP portion of the forum, to retake my mind. I'm in a good place now. I can honestly say that I don't feel that Chris or Jessica have knowingly lied to us. There have been clear changes in direction, for this series, and neither Chris or Jessica can be held responsible for that.

Now Chris is more guarded, and asking us to rein in speculation; as such speculation can only lead to hurt, yeah? It is what it is. I can always hope that there are as yet unrevealed puzzle pieces, but at the end of the day, we get what we are given. We still have DLC coming and it can be very good!

I feel mentally divorced from the ending thing. It is what it is. I am willing to judge upcoming content on it's own merit, and plan my consumption based on what is as opposed to what was. Like any other purchasing decision.

I agree with this post, especially the bolded part.

[_jackdurden_]

So no more hubs (Omega, Illium), no new squad mates, no more dialogue for the characters, not new cinematic for war assets, not make a new priority mission earth, they will not add the hammerhead, no more side quests ...

I love when you take into account the feedback from the fans, thanks for listening

[frostajulie]

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

[Wayning_Star]

song dedication before the lock..

 

[Chris Priestly]

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

[Wayning_Star]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

Thanks Boss!

now about that  icon....

[Linkforlife]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

Chris you are absolutely right, but I got to wonder: when will some of the bugs that have been in the game since launch be fixed, I hate having to quicksave whenever I want to talk to Joker for fear that I will get stuck behind his chair. Or the exorcist head turns (ie. the first conversation with Liara on board the Normandy when Glyph hovers around her).

[Iakus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

I hope you do not take this amiss, but....

The fact that no new endings were given then, the fact that no new endings, or even altered endings are given now, show that you did not listen.  Or listened and "dismissed that claim"  You may say we did not listen to you, and that's a fair enough assessment, (but I prefer to think of it as hope that you'll change your collective mind.)  So let's just say we didn't listen to each other.

Nine months of asking, begging for something to alter the endings, not to mention pages and pages of explanations why.  Some rational, some emotional, some insulting, some polite should say how much demand there is.  By saying you listened to feedback, and at the same time say it doeesn't affect the endings, jsut says the largest, most popular feedback wasn't listened to.  Whether you beieve it was justified or not.

[BirdsallSa]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

The bottom line is that, no you were not listening. Or, perhaps you were listening, but you certainly weren't caring. If the fans are begging for a new ending, putting your foot down and saying "NO MORE ENDINGS" does not excuse completely dismissing these people's opinions. Actually listening would mean getting off the high horse and considering there may actually be something wrong with the ending. You are selectively listening, and certainly not doing so for the satisfaction of the fanbase. Omega dlc proves that with overwhelming bugs, lack of story and an overall bad product which Bioware and even you marketed much more than it was worth, and charged for that matter.

[DirtySHISN0]

We had a long developing thread about upcoming weapons for multiplayer a while back, a few of the main themes and mechanics showed up as DLC weapons.

I like to think they are listening/watching/monitoring even if they aren't saying so. Besides, 85% of the "criticism" that appears here on story/campaign;spoiler is stuff that cannot/will not be changed anyway.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 11 février 2013 - 10:40 .

[PainCakesx]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

If you took offense to what I said, then I apologize. Perhaps my statement was a bit unfair.

I'll wait and see, but you cannot deny that a bulk of the feedback here is ending related. I understand that it's been said that the Extended Cut is the last time you're addressing the ending, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still one of the most requested things.

Even after this DLC is released, people will still be talking about the ending. And once the next Mass Effect game is announced, people will continue to discuss ME3's ending. Whether BioWare agrees or not, there is still a huge portion of the ME fanbase that remains unsatisfied. I can see the rationale for not wanting to re-open that can of worms, but this just doesn't seem like something people are just going to forget about. Just because a lot of people who were more vocal have moved on doesn't mean that they are going to just forget once the next Mass Effect game comes to fruition - and I highly doubt BioWare's motive is to purge their fanbase of people dissatisfied with ME3's ending.

Hence people still hope for ending related DLC despite the odds of it happening being slim to none. The hope was that BioWare would be reconsidering their position on not touching on the endings again, that they would do the unlikely and make things right. As misguided as that may seem, this hope exists for a reason - people want to love ME3 again. They want a reason to fall back in love with the franchise. 

Modifié par PainCakesx, 11 février 2013 - 10:45 .

[Slashice]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

That's nice, thanks for the answer Chris!

I hope I'll get some answers for my concerns about the existence of the Catalyst in either the upcoming DLC or some other DLC in the future. I don't want the ending to be changed anymore, I just want to fill in the gaps that's created by the lore of ME1.

There are basicly:

- How come the Catalyst didn't know about the Conduit created by the Protheans even if they used it. (ME1 lore)
- How come that the Catalyst didn't notice the sabotage against the Keepers who are controlled by the Citadel thus by the Catalyst (ME1 lore)
- Why Sovereign needed Saren to gain full access over the Citadel and open the relay if there's the Catalyst? (who's the collective intelligence of all Reapers - ME1 lore)
- Why did Harbinger considered Humanity the most capable oranic race in the Galaxy, according to our genetic diversity (ME2 lore, Harbinger's taunts)
- Why didn't the Reapers attacked the Citadel and seized control over it to shut down the relay network like they did in every other cycles before (ME1 lore and even ME3, as Javik mentions the same as Vigil mentioned that they had to fight the Reapers from planet by planet, system by system. Without the relay the extinction took quite some time for the Reapers and that's why only a few Prothean scientist survived who could then go back to the Citadel and sabotage the Keepers's signal). Even when they moved the Citadel to Earth.

So basicly I just want you guys to somehow connect ME1, ME2 and ME3 together in these small details which really bugs me (and I think it's not just me). For this there's no need to change the ending just add a few extra dialogue options and lines during the conversation with the Catalyst just like that extra lines after you completed the Leviathan DLC.

I have my own imagination to answer most of those questions but I want to see them answered in game

Anyway thanks again for your long and detailed answer Chris, looking forward for the next DLC!

[Lionel Ou]

PainCakesx wrote...

Even after this DLC is released, people will still be talking about the ending. And once the next Mass Effect game is announced, people will continue to discuss ME3's ending.

Hey, all publicity is good publicity.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

Well Chris. Even if you guys said you were done with the endings it's important to figure out WHY so many of us are complaining about the ending nearly a year since the game's initial release. 

To me it's a little bit humorous too, because I remember at some convention that you guys acknowledged that the characters of Mass Effect are deeply cared about among fans and that's why you were aiming to give more closure with the Extended Cut. The EC accomplished that...to some extent. But it failed to give proper closure to the main protagonist of the entire trilogy in one of the more popular endings among fans.

You see, the reason why I'm still complaining is that this type of speculation that you guys caused is not enjoyable. To me, speculation is only fun if there is going to be an eventual follow-up to a cliffhanger. That keeps me hyped up wanting and waiting for more. ME1 and ME2's ending were succesful on delivering that. 

But if you're going to wrap up an entire storyline arc, and at the very end you leave a bunch of important plot points (like whether or not shepard survived in the high destroy ending) vague and open for speculation, yet refuse to ever follow up on it, that just irks me. And it irks a lot of other people here as well. 

I don't like using analogies much, but imagine if JK Rowling decided to end the Harry Potter series right before the battle with Voldermort and says that she now wants the fans to speculate and imagine what happens next. Would you think that would fly well with all the people following her story?

[inversevideo]

@Chris - thank you for taking the time. Despite any 'wait see' comment I made, I really am looking forward to this 'last tale of the Shepard'. And I appreciate the effort you have made to adjust expectations accordingly.

Thanks!