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[IronSabbath88]

you know what's bad?

I have had my Disc 1 Xbox 360 CE disc scratched to hell (thanks, old Xbox!) and I have never even THOUGHT about getting it replaced. The game has soured on me that much. I was planning on it at some point but I don't even care now. Multiplayer has also bored the hell out of me with it's stupid random drop even nearly a year after release and they STILL haven't made it at least a little easier to get new stuff.

I bought Leviathan, but it was on sale on Xbox Live, I will do the same with Omega and this DLC and bury the Mass Effect franchise from my mind. The trilogy will stay in my game collection if only for fond memories of the games sans the pitiful end to an otherwise amazing journey. It's time for me to move on though.

[Clayless]

RussianZombeh wrote...

Can you at least tell us WHY you won't change the ending? You know the fans hated the original endings and you know they weren't satisified with the Extended Cut. A tonne of feedback that you received prior to the EC wasn't actually taken into consideration for the EC. Most people didn't want an "expanded" ending, they wanted a retcon. You've retconned things before that didn't need retconning, why couldn't you retcon the ending?

Is Bioware really that stubborn that they won't give their long time fans what they're begging for? They've lost a lot of customers and fans because they won't change the ending, and it really annoys me that they won't at least give us a reason why. You can say that it's what the devs want and it's their game, but at the end of the day - we're the ones paying for it, we're the ones it was made for. So who cares if the devs like their own ending (they would) - we, the customers, don't; so surely that should mean you should change it?

So confused and angry now.

The Retake movement was only 1.8% of the people that bough ME3.

Saying you speak for the fans is a bold statement to make with numbers like that.

[spirosz]

Where'd you get that percentage?

[davishepard]

Linkforlife wrote...

Remember, Bethesda said the same sort of thing about Fallout 3's ending prior to Broken Steel ...

Bethesda made an EC before Broken Steel?
Exactly.

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

Robosexual wrote...


The Retake movement was only 1.8% of the people that bough ME3.

Saying you speak for the fans is a bold statement to make with numbers like that.

Just because you didn't take part in the movement doesn't mean you didn't share their sentiments (like I did).

Where did you get that percentage, anyway?

Modifié par TheIdiocyWizard2.0, 12 février 2013 - 02:35 .

[Tang Tsu]

Still hoping that the "ending" that BW refers to is code for the real ending which hasn't been revealed yet. They're not changing it because it actually provides a real and satisfying conclusion to the Shepard story arc.

If not, and we are left with this crap then my opinion will change from a forum post to a wallet decision regarding the next BW game.

[Fawx9]

TheIdiocyWizard2.0 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...


The Retake movement was only 1.8% of the people that bough ME3.

Saying you speak for the fans is a bold statement to make with numbers like that.

Just because you didn't take part in the movement doesn't mean you didn't share their sentiments (like I did).

Where did you get that percentage, anyway?

S/He's using the old poll values.

Now while the poll did have impressive numbers, would be extreme for a random sampling, it wasn't random. It was heavily biased in regards to the fact that it was conducted on BW fans that specifically came here to discuss the endings and their issues with it.

Now I'm not saying you can just dismiss those numbers, but they can't be used by either side to say one side is the majority or not for sure.


As for the thread's topic. It sucks that they wont even apparently consider redoing Priority Earth, or at least adding to it. It's such a dissapointment of a mission. I pictured it being more like the final missions of SC2 where you have a hub of missions that allow you to take and hold key spots in order to make the final push succesful. The fact that it was just a drawn out corridor run was dissapointing.

Modifié par Fawx9, 12 février 2013 - 02:44 .

[Clayless]

spirosz wrote...

Where'd you get that percentage?

Retake movement and people that bought ME3 (3.5 million).

Nothing to do with BSN polls like he thinks above.

[element eater]

Modifié par element eater, 12 février 2013 - 03:51 .

[Nerevar-as]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

I´d really like to know why you are so defensive of that ending (and don´t give me "artistic integrity" after asking us to buy DLC after the end credits). It even has elements which are objectively bad (a Diabolus Ex Machina, as happens with their counterpart, seldom works). I think some of us still expect a new ending because we can´t believe you can screw up that much without trying. But instead you may have well killed the franchise, notME4 will tell.

[Nerevar-as]

Robosexual wrote...

The Retake movement was only 1.8% of the people that bough ME3.

Saying you speak for the fans is a bold statement to make with numbers like that.

So? Only those of us who are actual fans care. The rest who didn´t like it moved on and just mock the Starbrat from time to time. notME4 marketing campaign better be very good, something unlikely considering BW marketing this late years.

[Clayless]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The Retake movement was only 1.8% of the people that bough ME3.

Saying you speak for the fans is a bold statement to make with numbers like that.

So? Only those of us who are actual fans care. The rest who didn´t like it moved on and just mock the Starbrat from time to time. notME4 marketing campaign better be very good, something unlikely considering BW marketing this late years.

What point are you making? That only "actual fans" care about ME3, therefore Bioware should change the end for them?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Robosexual wrote...
Retake movement and people that bought ME3 (3.5 million).

Nothing to do with BSN polls like he thinks above.

You mean like how many people joined the Retake group or the websites? You realize not everyone who supported retake did so right? I certainly didn't.

[Ithurael]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
Retake movement and people that bought ME3 (3.5 million).

Nothing to do with BSN polls like he thinks above.

You mean like how many people joined the Retake group or the websites? You realize not everyone who supported retake did so right? I certainly didn't.

I didn't join the movement either (not officially at least) I contributed to the cupcakes and the M&Ms and the letters. But I never joined the FB page as I do not use FB.

[Nerevar-as]

Robosexual wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The Retake movement was only 1.8% of the people that bough ME3.

Saying you speak for the fans is a bold statement to make with numbers like that.

So? Only those of us who are actual fans care. The rest who didn´t like it moved on and just mock the Starbrat from time to time. notME4 marketing campaign better be very good, something unlikely considering BW marketing this late years.

What point are you making? That only "actual fans" care about ME3, therefore Bioware should change the end for them?

More like with ME3 as it is now, they shouldn´t put too many hopes in notME4. Customer reaction is more important than previous sales to bet for a sequel. You are assuming that because there are only 1.8% retakers the rest of the buyers will get the next games and DLCs, I have my doubts. AFAIK, there isn´t an antiRetake movement from people who loved the endings (nor does it seem to be necessary according to ). ME3 ending is fought about here (and defenders usually at disadvantage), in other forums it´s mostly mocked. That doesn´t good look for the future. Forums may be a biased sample, but I´m afraid it´s the only reliable one for opinions.

[Clayless]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
Retake movement and people that bought ME3 (3.5 million).

Nothing to do with BSN polls like he thinks above.

You mean like how many people joined the Retake group or the websites? You realize not everyone who supported retake did so right? I certainly didn't.

Point still stands. You supported Retake, I never, both of us are part of the 98.2% that we don't have statistics on, neither of us can say we speak for them.

[Clayless]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

What point are you making? That only "actual fans" care about ME3, therefore Bioware should change the end for them?

More like with ME3 as it is now, they shouldn´t put too many hopes in notME4. Customer reaction is more important than previous sales to bet for a sequel. You are assuming that because there are only 1.8% retakers the rest of the buyers will get the next games and DLCs,

No I'm not.

I have my doubts. AFAIK, there isn´t an antiRetake movement from people who loved the endings (nor does it seem to be necessary according to ). ME3 ending is fought about here (and defenders usually at disadvantage), in other forums it´s mostly mocked. That doesn´t good look for the future. Forums may be a biased sample, but I´m afraid it´s the only reliable one for opinions.

The only things I've seen from forums is the amount of support ME3 gets. I count a lot of Readers Choice awards here, even from big sites like Escapist and IGN. Even Gamespot, which is pretty massive, it came second in a Readers Choice poll by like what, 11k votes and less than a hundred in between?

The place I see giving ME3 the most hate is right here on BSN.

Modifié par Robosexual, 12 février 2013 - 03:41 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Robosexual wrote...
Point still stands. You supported Retake, I never, both of us are part of the 98.2% that we don't have statistics on, neither of us can say we speak for them.

Which is misleading at best, the way you frame it makes it seem like card carring members of the Retake movement are the only ones who were dissatisfied with ME3. 1.8% or not the movement does represent more than that percentage of people who bought the game, myself included, though I wouldn't say "most fans" without evidence.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 12 février 2013 - 03:41 .

[AresKeith]

I see Robo is still making over-generalizing assumptions

[Clayless]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
Point still stands. You supported Retake, I never, both of us are part of the 98.2% that we don't have statistics on, neither of us can say we speak for them.

Which is misleading at best, the way you frame it makes it seem like card carring members of the Retake movement are the only ones who were dissatisfied with ME3. 1.8% or not the movement does represent more than that percentage of people who bought the game, myself included, though I wouldn't say "most fans" without evidence.

Just like my opinion, and all those people that voted for ME3 to win those awards, represents more than just that percentage.

Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics, which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make.

[dorktainian]

Chris Priestly wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

It seems at this point that "your feedback matters" is simply a PR statement and not much more. It takes only 3 minutes on the internet to know what most people want to see - the fact that over the course of a year very little of it has come to fruition says it all.

LMAO  sooo true:lol:

HOWEVER

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game. 

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

keep up the good work chris.  

[OdanUrr]

RussianZombeh wrote...

Can you at least tell us WHY you won't change the ending? You know the fans hated the original endings and you know they weren't satisified with the Extended Cut. A tonne of feedback that you received prior to the EC wasn't actually taken into consideration for the EC. Most people didn't want an "expanded" ending, they wanted a retcon. You've retconned things before that didn't need retconning, why couldn't you retcon the ending?

Is Bioware really that stubborn that they won't give their long time fans what they're begging for? They've lost a lot of customers and fans because they won't change the ending, and it really annoys me that they won't at least give us a reason why. You can say that it's what the devs want and it's their game, but at the end of the day - we're the ones paying for it, we're the ones it was made for. So who cares if the devs like their own ending (they would) - we, the customers, don't; so surely that should mean you should change it?

So confused and angry now.

That's exactly what I was going to say. At the end of the day, developers tell the story they want to tell. If you're interested, you pay for it; if you're not, you don't.

[Iakus]

OdanUrr wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Can you at least tell us WHY you won't change the ending? You know the fans hated the original endings and you know they weren't satisified with the Extended Cut. A tonne of feedback that you received prior to the EC wasn't actually taken into consideration for the EC. Most people didn't want an "expanded" ending, they wanted a retcon. You've retconned things before that didn't need retconning, why couldn't you retcon the ending?

Is Bioware really that stubborn that they won't give their long time fans what they're begging for? They've lost a lot of customers and fans because they won't change the ending, and it really annoys me that they won't at least give us a reason why. You can say that it's what the devs want and it's their game, but at the end of the day - we're the ones paying for it, we're the ones it was made for. So who cares if the devs like their own ending (they would) - we, the customers, don't; so surely that should mean you should change it?

So confused and angry now.

That's exactly what I was going to say. At the end of the day, developers tell the story they want to tell. If you're interested, you pay for it; if you're not, you don't.

And if you pay for the story you're interested in , and get railroaded into a completely different story in the closing minutes...?

[OdanUrr]

iakus wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Can you at least tell us WHY you won't change the ending? You know the fans hated the original endings and you know they weren't satisified with the Extended Cut. A tonne of feedback that you received prior to the EC wasn't actually taken into consideration for the EC. Most people didn't want an "expanded" ending, they wanted a retcon. You've retconned things before that didn't need retconning, why couldn't you retcon the ending?

Is Bioware really that stubborn that they won't give their long time fans what they're begging for? They've lost a lot of customers and fans because they won't change the ending, and it really annoys me that they won't at least give us a reason why. You can say that it's what the devs want and it's their game, but at the end of the day - we're the ones paying for it, we're the ones it was made for. So who cares if the devs like their own ending (they would) - we, the customers, don't; so surely that should mean you should change it?

So confused and angry now.

That's exactly what I was going to say. At the end of the day, developers tell the story they want to tell. If you're interested, you pay for it; if you're not, you don't.

And if you pay for the story you're interested in , and get railroaded into a completely different story in the closing minutes...?

You keep that in mind for future purchases.

[Almostfaceman]

Robosexual wrote...

The Retake movement was only 1.8% of the people that bough ME3.

Saying you speak for the fans is a bold statement to make with numbers like that.

Wishful thinking. If I'm making a product and my message boards are filled with people unhappy with that product I'm concerned. Nothing you say mitigates that. A lot of people bought the game anticipating it would be as good as ME1 or ME2 or both. The reaction has hardly been positive after the sale.