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[Iakus]

OdanUrr wrote...

You keep that in mind for future purchases.

Oh, believe me, I do not intend to be so easily sheared next time

[NatP]

So, if they aren't going to change the ending, what ARE they going to do in the next DLC?

[ash2880]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times.

I'm amazed by the whole "WE *SAID* WE WEREN'T CHANGING THE ENDING. WHY DOESN'T ANYONE LISTEN?" attitude.

The company was sued for false advertising over ME3. The Better Business Bureau chimed in on the matter. Surely, between those events and the feedback you say you "absolutely" listen to, you have become aware that there is something of a credibility problem at play here.

How, then, can you possibly be surprised when people don't believe something that's been said?

Modifié par ash2880, 12 février 2013 - 04:37 .

[Ithurael]

NatP wrote...

So, if they aren't going to change the ending, what ARE they going to do in the next DLC?

Pre ending DLC.

IDK:
Poker Night DLC

R&R DLC for in-game games

[NM_Che56]

Chris Priestly wrote...


I actually got a little angry at the assumptions here. Then I calmed down. Then some coffee. Then I played some more of the upcoming DLC. Now I'm replying.

We absolutely do listen to feedback and the feedback you give us matters. I cannot discuss the upcoming DLC yet, but I think people will see that we listened to feedback and, hopefully, you will see that reflected in the product.

HOWEVER

We said that with the release of the Extended Cut, we were done with the endings of Mass Effect 3. We stated this very clearly and kept saying it multiple times. If you chose to ignore this and continued to give feedback about the ending, that was absolutely your right. I hope you enjoyed yourself, but we said we were done with the endings.

To say "they're not giving us new endings, they aren't listening" (or whatever) is not true. You assumed that, despite us repeatedly saying we would not change the ending, that we would change the ending. We are listening, but we said almost 9 months ago that the endings would not change, you ignored this. You also assume that the only feedback we had was about the ending of the game.

As I said, hopefully you will see the new DLC (whether you buy it immediately, wait for reviews, wait for YouTube, etc) does take feedback into consideration. We will be talking more about the DLC before it comes out (hopefully next week, but it is still TBD) and you'll like what you see and get it.

so...what was the feedback? 


...OKAY! I tried...

[NM_Che56]

NatP wrote...

So, if they aren't going to change the ending, what ARE they going to do in the next DLC?

Well...

Let's take a minute to think about some of the things people here still talk about (now I brainstorm):

1) Not seeing Tali's face in game
2) Not having enough quality time with your LI (...and Valentine's day is around the corner...hmmm)
3) Not seeing your war assets in use NOTE: Where we would expect to see them is between Cronos station and priority: Earth

4) COLLECTORS!
5) HAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRBBBBBBBBBBBIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNGEEEEEEEEEER!
6) The Trial
7) More Hub worlds
8) More Citadel areas
9) A bar you don't use (ME2)
10) More Protheans

what else?

[Repzik]

Robosexual wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
Point still stands. You supported Retake, I never, both of us are part of the 98.2% that we don't have statistics on, neither of us can say we speak for them.

Which is misleading at best, the way you frame it makes it seem like card carring members of the Retake movement are the only ones who were dissatisfied with ME3. 1.8% or not the movement does represent more than that percentage of people who bought the game, myself included, though I wouldn't say "most fans" without evidence.

Just like my opinion, and all those people that voted for ME3 to win those awards, represents more than just that percentage.

Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics, which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make.

Makes a point against the response bias of Retake...

Then uses response bias for awards.

Neither group says anything for the majority, though it's irrelevant. I would be willing to bet those unhappy with ME3, or at least it's ending, is a significant minority (possible majority). Hence, Extended Cut as a reaction to it.

Modifié par Repzik, 12 février 2013 - 04:54 .

[Killdren88]

Chris, as much as I would like to believe you, I'm having a very difficult time to do so. More so after Omega. I don't hold that against you, a job is a job. But I would like a little more honesty from you guys. For instance you can be up front and tell us that a DLC holds more emphasis on action rather story. Then the other way around. Then you make people on both sides happy. For companies. honesty goes a long way

[spotlessvoid]

Maybe people would believe "no more ending content" if a SINGLE freaking developer would say so. Instead they flat out ignore it. It's not like community managers deny things that are upcoming, right?

You want people to believe it? Have someone who's job isn't to deny everything actually come out and say it

[Clayless]

Repzik wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Just like my opinion, and all those people that voted for ME3 to win those awards, represents more than just that percentage.

Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics, which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make.

Makes a point against the response bias of Retake...

Then uses response bias for awards.

Neither group says anything for the majority, though it's irrelevant. I would be willing to bet those unhappy with ME3, or at least it's ending, is a significant minority (possible majority). Hence, Extended Cut as a reaction to it.

No I didn't. Read more than just the first sentence next time.

[Nerevar-as]

Robosexual wrote...

Repzik wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Just like my opinion, and all those people that voted for ME3 to win those awards, represents more than just that percentage.

Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics, which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make.

Makes a point against the response bias of Retake...

Then uses response bias for awards.

Neither group says anything for the majority, though it's irrelevant. I would be willing to bet those unhappy with ME3, or at least it's ending, is a significant minority (possible majority). Hence, Extended Cut as a reaction to it.

No I didn't. Read more than just the first sentence next time.

And which game do you think would win worst RPG of the year? But those aren´t voted. And to be fair, the competition this year has been pathetic, besides Dark Souls, which was just the PC port release (no idea why TW2 XBOX one wasn´t included).

I´m also assuming the voting is genuine... I´m really cynical about gaming journalism just now.

EDIT: the irony is that beside beginning, endings, and Rachni and CB cop-outs, I still find it to be a really good game. But when a journey ends falling down a cliff, it isn´t worth taking.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 12 février 2013 - 05:33 .

[PainCakesx]

I can't prove that the majority are dissatisfied, which is why I don't usually use that term when describing that portion of the population.

All I know is what I see myself, and I can say categorically that I know very few people in real life who were happy with either the ME3 vanilla ending or the EC. The EC may have improved it for most, but it didn't do enough. None of these people post on gaming forums or go on BSN.

I won't sit here and claim that this means that the majority agrees, but I can say that what you see here on BSN does not represent the entirety of people upset with the endings at all.

[Fnork]

CaptainCommander wrote...

 Please DLC development team if you do anything changes in the game please add more to the space battle!! Salarian ships at the very least!!! Alliance and Turian dreadnoughts are not shown! All the ships look like crusiers!! And PLEASE add a Reaper vs Destiny Accension fight!! You made this ship so important and then just left it!! I wanna see it fight a Reaper, destroy the Reaper, blow another Reapers' legs off and then finally get taken down by three Reapers at once!! I mean COME ON!!!
We at least deserve that!

Sorry chief, we can't do that. Here's 150 war assets instead.

[Repzik]

Robosexual wrote...

Repzik wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Just like my opinion, and all those people that voted for ME3 to win those awards, represents more than just that percentage.

Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics, which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make.

Makes a point against the response bias of Retake...

Then uses response bias for awards.

Neither group says anything for the majority, though it's irrelevant. I would be willing to bet those unhappy with ME3, or at least it's ending, is a significant minority (possible majority). Hence, Extended Cut as a reaction to it.

No I didn't. Read more than just the first sentence next time.

I was pointing out that you claim statistics, when neither is an acceptable statistic.

You're right, I should have read more closely.

"which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make."
"Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics"

You can't simply count the surveys for that 1.8%.

Modifié par Repzik, 12 février 2013 - 06:30 .

[PainCakesx]

Repzik wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Repzik wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Just like my opinion, and all those people that voted for ME3 to win those awards, represents more than just that percentage.

Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics, which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make.

Makes a point against the response bias of Retake...

Then uses response bias for awards.

Neither group says anything for the majority, though it's irrelevant. I would be willing to bet those unhappy with ME3, or at least it's ending, is a significant minority (possible majority). Hence, Extended Cut as a reaction to it.

No I didn't. Read more than just the first sentence next time.

I was pointing out that you claim statistics, when neither is an acceptable statistic.

You're right, I should have read more closely.

"which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make."
"Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics"

You can't simply count the surveys for that 1.8%.

His argument is like saying that only 4.5 million people support gun rights in the USA because only that many are NRA members. 

Just because someone isn't a part of a movement doesn't mean that they don't agree with those ideals. I myself didn't actively participate in the Retake movement, but I agreed with most of their ideals. I'm sure there were a huge number of people who felt the same way. 

[Clayless]

Repzik wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

No I didn't. Read more than just the first sentence next time.

I was pointing out that you claim statistics, when neither is an acceptable statistic.

You're right, I should have read more closely.

"which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make."
"Problem is we can only work off statistics, not random made up guesses based on those statistics"

Seriously?

Why are you posting my sentence in a different order? I guess I'll have to explain it for you.

"Problem is we can only work off statistics" - concrete numbers.

"not random made up guesses based on those statistics" - like judging the majority based on said concrete numbers

"which is why speaking for fans with 1.8% is a bit of a bold statement to make" - like saying you're the majority when the highest numbers we have that agree's with you is 1.8%

It's really not that complicated.

[TSA_383]

So basically, the message from bioware PR is:


"We're listening...

...we just don't care"

[Iakus]

TSA_383 wrote...

So basically, the message from bioware PR is:


"We're listening...

...we just don't care"

Sounds about right.

[Clayless]

PainCakesx wrote...

His argument is like saying that only 4.5 million people support gun rights in the USA because only that many are NRA members. 

Just because someone isn't a part of a movement doesn't mean that they don't agree with those ideals. I myself didn't actively participate in the Retake movement, but I agreed with most of their ideals. I'm sure there were a huge number of people who felt the same way. 

Incorrect, that would only be the case if I said the Retake movement were all the people that hated the ending, instead I said the Retake movement is the highest statistic of people we have that hate the ending, and we can't claim the haters are the majority from such a small number.

Modifié par Robosexual, 12 février 2013 - 06:54 .

[CronoDragoon]

Nerevar-as wrote...
I´d really like to know why you are so defensive of that ending (and don´t give me "artistic integrity" after asking us to buy DLC after the end credits). It even has elements which are objectively bad (a Diabolus Ex Machina, as happens with their counterpart, seldom works). I think some of us still expect a new ending because we can´t believe you can screw up that much without trying. But instead you may have well killed the franchise, notME4 will tell.

It's not about being defensive of the ending. It's about fans disregarding all the ways that BioWare has listened to feedback just because they decided not to change the one or two things about the ending that people didn't like.

Now, if you want to say that since the EC, BioWare is not taking feedback into account regarding the endings in particular, then I think that is a fair statement. It's also something that they were honest about right from the beginning, in the first statement about the EC.

What I personally get a little angry about is when people say BioWare "doesn't listen at all" or "doesn't care about the fans." I get frustrated about that because 1. it disregards all the obvious things that BioWare has done/changed that were blatantly picked from feedback threads on the BSN, and more importantly 2. there is no quicker way to ensure that the illusion becomes the reality than continuing to claim this. I cannot imagine anything that would make me care less about a fanbase than one who disregards everything I do because I had the audacity to not change everything based on their preferences.

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So basically, the message from bioware PR is:


"We're listening...

...we just don't care"

Sounds about right.

Not quite. You can care about something without caring enough to do something about it. When my niece gets upset because she can't have another cookie, I'm not happy about her being upset. But that doesn't mean I give her another cookie.

I'm sure Bio would prefer it if you guys were happy with the ending, but that doesn't mean they give you another ending.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So basically, the message from bioware PR is:


"We're listening...

...we just don't care"

Sounds about right.

Not quite. You can care about something without caring enough to do something about it. When my niece gets upset because she can't have another cookie, I'm not happy about her being upset. But that doesn't mean I give her another cookie.

I'm sure Bio would prefer it if you guys were happy with the ending, but that doesn't mean they give you another ending.

If your niece pays $60-$80 per cookie, those gotta be some really good cookies

[wright1978]

iakus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So basically, the message from bioware PR is:


"We're listening...

...we just don't care"

Sounds about right.

Indeed

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
I´d really like to know why you are so defensive of that ending (and don´t give me "artistic integrity" after asking us to buy DLC after the end credits). It even has elements which are objectively bad (a Diabolus Ex Machina, as happens with their counterpart, seldom works). I think some of us still expect a new ending because we can´t believe you can screw up that much without trying. But instead you may have well killed the franchise, notME4 will tell.

It's not about being defensive of the ending. It's about fans disregarding all the ways that BioWare has listened to feedback just because they decided not to change the one or two things about the ending that people didn't like.

Now, if you want to say that since the EC, BioWare is not taking feedback into account regarding the endings in particular, then I think that is a fair statement. It's also something that they were honest about right from the beginning, in the first statement about the EC.

What I personally get a little angry about is when people say BioWare "doesn't listen at all" or "doesn't care about the fans." I get frustrated about that because 1. it disregards all the obvious things that BioWare has done/changed that were blatantly picked from feedback threads on the BSN, and more importantly 2. there is no quicker way to ensure that the illusion becomes the reality than continuing to claim this. I cannot imagine anything that would make me care less about a fanbase than one who disregards everything I do because I had the audacity to not change everything based on their preferences.

Has any other complaint even come close to the backlash the endings caused, though?  Yeah I know there are others out there (I have a few non-ending gripes myself) but it's the endings that have crippled the reputation of Mass Effect and gave Bioware itself a nasty black eye rep-wise.  To be so casually dismissive of such "feedback" really makes you wonder what is being listened to...

[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

Has any other complaint even come close to the backlash the endings caused, though?  Yeah I know there are others out there (I have a few non-ending gripes myself) but it's the endings that have crippled the reputation of Mass Effect and gave Bioware itself a nasty black eye rep-wise.  To be so casually dismissive of such "feedback" really makes you wonder what is being listened to...

Well, by the looks of it with Seth Green and Kaidan, there's squadmate dialogue.

We know very little about the DLC but even from the stuff we do know it shows they're listening. I don't understand how you can just dismiss that.